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Heard a story the other day, So I looked it up..

That the wizard of Oz was about coming off of the gold standard....
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Some scholars have theorized that the images and characters used by Baum and Denslow closely resembled political images that were well known in the 1890s, specifically the debate of the day regarding monetary policy: the "Yellow Brick Road" represents the gold standard, the silver slippers (which were ruby slippers in the film version) represent the sixteen to one silver ratio (dancing down the road). Many other characters and story lines represent identifiable people or circumstances of the day. The wicked witches of the east and west represented the local banks and the railroad industry, respectively, both of which drove small farmers out of business. The scarecrow represents the farmers of the Populist party, who managed to get out of debt by making more silver coinage. The return to bimetallism would increase inflation, thus lowering the real value of their debts. The Tin Woodman represents the factory workers of the industrialized North, whom the Populists saw as being so hard-pressed to work grueling hours for little money that the workers had lost their human hearts and become mechanized themselves. (See Second Industrial Revolution) Toto was thought to be short for teetotaler, another word for a prohibitionist; it should be noted that William Jennings Bryan, the fiery popular candidate (possibly the Lion character) from the Populist Party, was a teetotaler himself. Bryan also fits the allegorical reference to the Cowardly Lion in that he retreated from his support of free silver after economic conditions improved in the late 1890s. However, it has also been suggested the cowardly Lion represented Wall Street investors, given the economic climate of the time. The Munchkins represented the common people (serfdom), while the emerald city represented Washington and its green-paper money delusion. The Wizard, a charlatan who tricks people into believing he wields immense power, would represent the President. The kiss from the Good Witch of the North is the electoral mandate; Dorothy must destroy the Wicked Witch of the West—the old West Coast "establishment" (money) with water (the US was suffering from drought). Moreover, "Oz" is the abbreviation for the measuring of these precious metals: ounces.

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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,432 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes, I too heard this fairly recently (about 5 years ago) and it made sense. Very interesting.

    But you know, many novels and/or fictional stories were written about real events.

    Look at 'Gulliver's Travels' and 'A Tale of Two Cities', the list goes on and on....
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written mainly for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.

    many things are as simple as they first seem.
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    AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭
    Whether Baum intended the metaphor or not, its amazing how well it fits.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whether Baum intended the metaphor or not, its amazing how well it fits.

    you're kidding, right??? image it's a stretch at best and with a little thought anyone familiar with the "events of the day" could dispel the comparisons easily.
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    AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Whether Baum intended the metaphor or not, its amazing how well it fits.

    you're kidding, right??? image it's a stretch at best and with a little thought anyone familiar with the "events of the day" could dispel the comparisons easily. >>



    Quite possibly, but I like the tying together of all the weird part s - Oz, Yellow Bricks, Emerald city, etc.
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    The political theory rings true. Baum WAS involved in political activities.


    From Wikipedia:

    Women's suffrage advocate

    Sally Roesch Wagner of The Matilda Joslyn Gage Foundation has published a pamphlet titled The Wonderful Mother of Oz describing how Matilda's radical feminist politics were sympathetically channelled by Baum into his Oz books. Much of the politics in the Republican Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer dealt with trying to convince the populace to vote for women's suffrage. Baum was the secretary of Aberdeen's Woman's Suffrage Club. When Susan B. Anthony visited Aberdeen, she stayed with the Baums. Nancy Tystad Koupal notes an apparent loss of interest in editorializing after Aberdeen failed to pass the bill for women's enfranchisement.

    Some of Baum's contacts with suffragists of his day seem to have inspired much of his second Oz story, The Marvelous Land of Oz. In this story, General Jinjur leads the girls and women of Oz in a revolt by knitting needles, take over, and make the men do the household chores. Jinjur proves to be an incompetent ruler, but a female advocating gender equality is ultimately placed on the throne. His Edith Van Dyne stories, including the Aunt Jane's Nieces, The Flying Girl and its sequel, and his girl sleuth Josie O'Gorman from The Bluebird Books, depict girls and young women engaging in traditionally masculine activities.
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    PipestonePetePipestonePete Posts: 1,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And "Oz" director Victor Fleming conferred with Pink Floyd to make sure that "Dark Side of the Moon" made for a proper soundtrack .
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Whether Baum intended the metaphor or not, its amazing how well it fits. >>

    I'm sure he foresaw the release of Dark Side of the Moon too!
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    Baum never admitted to any political significance.


    Also from Wikipedia:

    Although numerous political references to the "Wizard" appeared early in the 20th century, it was in a scholarly article by Henry Littlefield

    [26], an upstate New York high school history teacher, published in 1964 that there appeared the first full-fledged interpretation of the novel as an extended political allegory of the politics and characters of the 1890s. Special attention was paid to the Populist metaphors and debates over silver and gold.[27] As a Republican and avid supporter of Women's Suffrage, it is thought that Baum personally did not support the political ideals of either the Populist movement of 1890-92 or the Bryanite-silver crusade of 1896-1900. He published a poem in support of William McKinley.[28]

    Since 1964 many scholars, economists and historians have expanded on Littlefield's interpretation, pointing to multiple similarities between the characters (especially as depicted in Denslow's illustrations) and stock figures from editorial cartoons of the period. Littlefield himself wrote the New York Times letters to the editor section spelling out that his theory had no basis in fact, but that his original point was, "not to label Baum, or to lessen any of his magic, but rather, as a history teacher at Mount Vernon High School, to invest turn-of-the-century America with the imagery and wonder I have always found in his stories."[29]

    Baum's newspaper had addressed politics in the 1890s, and Denslow was an editorial cartoonist as well as an illustrator of children's books. A series of political references are included in the 1902 stage version, such as references by name to the President and a powerful senator, and to John D. Rockefeller for providing the oil needed by the Tin Woodman. Scholars have found few political references in Baum's Oz books after 1902.

    When Baum himself was asked whether his stories had hidden meanings, he always replied that they were written to please children and generate an income for his family.

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    Gee ....I wonder if there's any hidden messages in .....Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory....image
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And the flying monkeys represent????????????
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    kimber45ACPkimber45ACP Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭
    I just thought it was interesting because I had never heard it before and since it was money related, thought I would post.
    I agree, you can read just about anything into whatever your want, if you try hard enough.
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    keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i would add that although i reference Wikipedia sometimes it can be a dangerous thing in the way it promotes urban legend kind of stuff. i mean, it isn't like everything added there is gospel truth.
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    drwstr123drwstr123 Posts: 7,053 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And the flying monkeys represent???????????? >>


    Billy Mitchell and the military.
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    AngryTurtleAngryTurtle Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And the flying monkeys represent???????????? >>

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,604 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>And the flying monkeys represent???????????? >>


    Billy Mitchell and the military. >>



    Wrong time period. I would have guessed coin dealers. imageimage

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    Its pretty well documented that Dark side of the moon's soundtrack does not even come close to the claims that were initially made in the urban myth.I think you have to ask yourself what kind of mind comes up with these ideas and you'll have your answer before any need to drag out the video and hifi.
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    << <i>Some biographers and scholars of Baum disagree, pointing to details of Baum's biography, his own statements and writing about the purpose of his book, the ease with which hidden meanings can be found in works not intended to contain any, and the question of why contemporary press did not discuss these perceived metaphors which logically should have been much more obvious at that time. The consensus is that the books are written mainly for the pleasure of Baum's younger readers, to give them a sense of possibility and imagination.

    many things are as simple as they first seem. >>



    A long time Baum and Denslow devotee, I have heard this story. I have to agree with Keets that there has never been any evidence to support it.
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    droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And "Oz" director Victor Fleming conferred with Pink Floyd to make sure that "Dark Side of the Moon" made for a proper soundtrack . >>



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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think you can prove inspiration one way on another. The book was written during the 1896 election and the populism generated by W.J. Bryan's fiery speeches could have had an influence in shaping the characters. If Baum flat out denied it, that's proof enough that it isn't the case, but I don't think he ever said one way or the other. It wasn't even noticed until much later.

    The answer is really - "Who knows?"

    BTW, Lane Bruner did a article about this for The Numismatist. Perhaps he'll shed some light on it.


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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ....and if you play "Dark Side Of The Moon" backwards, you can hear, very softly: "TOTO IS DEAD! TOTO IS DEAD!"

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    And if you play a country/western song backwards, you get back your house, your wife, your job and your dog.
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    PriestPriest Posts: 270 ✭✭
    I came across a coin and as I looked at the D mint mark it seemed to be an over mint mark D south west . I angled the coin and tried another loupe and I thought I found an unlisted variety. Later in the day and a little on the tired side I checked it again. with a positive I turned it angled it, turned it 45 degrees, 90 degrees and before long the coin was a D over S north west. Does anyone understand what I'm getting to?

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