Slab question....

icsoccer · February 22, 2010 9:29AM

Is this a old holder used for Ancients or is this a new NGC product?

spoon · February 22, 2010 10:11AM

It's a relatively new service from NGC, started, what, a year or so ago.

ajaan · February 22, 2010 10:31AM

Very new. Nice coin, NGC doesn't MS many Roman coins.

wybrit · February 22, 2010 10:35AM

It is the much maligned, brand new "prongs of death" holder. Personally, I have taken a liking to this holder as it does present the coin in a much better way than its predecessors did.

JimK · February 22, 2010 10:59AM

I guess I've been out of the loop on this, so I had to go look it up:
NGC Ancient Grading
Interesting approach...
Thoughts?
Jim

icsoccer · February 22, 2010 12:06PM

Thank You JimK!
Now that's detail.
I can say I have learned from this read.

lordmarcovan · February 22, 2010 5:15PM

Funny how they holdered the obverse (well, the "heads" side, anyway) to the back of the slab. I guess that's because the portrait side was much less varied, and the types are often distinguished by reverses? Don, or anybody... do they usually holder Romans this way?

Agreed- that's a helluva nice coin.

Lancastercoin · February 22, 2010 6:37PM

For those who don't know, there is no guarantee of authenticity with this holder.

500Bay · February 22, 2010 6:51PM

<< <i>Funny how they holdered the obverse (well, the "heads" side, anyway) to the back of the slab. >>

I imagine this is because this issue is for the Saecular Games (1,000th anniversary of the founding of Rome). They usually put the 'heads' side on the label side of the slab.

ASUtodd · February 22, 2010 10:27PM

<< <i>For those who don't know, there is no guarantee of authenticity with this holder. >>

I may have missed that in reading the page from NGC... did it say that on there? I would think that NGC would take the time to make sure it wasn't a fake before putting it in one of their slabs...
Todd

icsoccer · February 22, 2010 11:29PM

<< For those who don't know, there is no guarantee of authenticity with this holder. >>

Wow I will reread...I agree they 'probably' insure there are slabbing autentic coins.

coinpictures · February 23, 2010 12:07AM

If I didn't know any better, I would swear the slab was fake. Forget about the pros/cons of the prongs of death, that label is horrific. It's cut too close on the left, and is diagonally skewed along the bottom. Looks tacky as hell.

*BLEAGH*

Also, as far as authenticy:

From http://www.ngccoin.com/ancients/guarantee.aspx

"NGC Ancients is committed to grading only genuine coins, but it does not guarantee authenticity, genuineness or attribution, nor is any guarantee of these aspects implied. NGC Ancients will only holder coins it considers genuine at the time of submission, but it cannot guarantee the authenticity, genuineness, type, attribution or date of any coin it holders. Unlike modern coins, which often benefit from well-documented, scientific parameters for the verification of authenticity, there rarely is conclusive data for ancient coins, and generally there is no surviving documentation to verify production characteristics.

Almost without exception, ancient coins have been recovered from burial, either under land or water. Some recoveries date back centuries, while others are more recent. Even in ancient times, coins were counterfeited, copied and imitated. If a particular submitted coin can positively be connected to a specific find or recovery that is documented, or is on track for documentation, it will be so designated if requested to do so by the submitter. However, even with these coins there can be no guarantee of their genuineness.

The dating and attribution of an ancient coin (the basic identification of a coin’s place of origin, issuing authority, date of issue, design elements, specific variety, etc.) is oftentimes uncertain or is a matter of scholarly conjecture. Multiple and different attributions can coexist, each simultaneously finding acceptance within the numismatic community; in these cases NGC Ancients will use the attribution it considers most valid. New research or archeological evidence may challenge or change the consensus about an ancient coin’s attribution, date, identification and even its authenticity. Consequently, the opinion of NGC Ancients on these matters is subject to change with the introduction of new information, or of existing information of which its grading staff was unaware at the time of holdering. Every effort will be made in good faith by NGC Ancients to properly attribute ancient coins, but no guarantee is made as to these qualities.

Therefore, with ancient coins NGC Ancients will only guarantee the grade. It is recommended that buyers purchase ancient coins from sellers who offer unconditional lifetime guaranties of authenticity, and who otherwise stand behind their sales."

ASUtodd · February 23, 2010 12:44AM

Good find CP.....

lordmarcovan · February 24, 2010 3:25PM

Well, there goes some of the wind out of NGC's sails as far as ancients go, perhaps.

Can't say I really blame them much for playin' CYA, though. I would do the same in their shoes.

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