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When did the idea of "money" first come about?

SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 13,083 ✭✭✭✭✭
"Money" being any item [i.e., metal disk, large round stone with a hole in the middle, sea shells, shiney rock, sack of grain, etc.] that a group of humans agrees to assign a specific value to, with the understanding that with such an item a person could exchange same for goods [i.e., a loaf of bread] or services [repairing a broken spear] provided to him or her by another person; thereby allowing the group to evolve beyond a "barter" system?

I know that "money" in the form of stamped precious metal disks first appeared 4000-5000 years ago and presume the idea or concept of money probably appeared long before stamped precious metal disks did.

Also, in addition to when the idea of money first came about, where did it first come about?

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,592 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I know that "money" in the form of stamped precious metal disks first appeared 4000-5000 years ago........ >>



    Coinage started about 600BC or about 2600 years ago.

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    AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    Really? That's all? I have to think it is much before that. Ancient Egypt, India, China...these are three civilizations that were highly sophisticated which date back longer.

    Anyone else have thoughts.

    This seems like a great topic. Thanks for thinking to ask it.
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    early money and coin article

    Here is a nice article about the subject.
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    WeissWeiss Posts: 9,942 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have no idea.
    We are like children who look at print and see a serpent in the last letter but one, and a sword in the last.
    --Severian the Lame
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Known transactions (money, barter, trade) are fairly limited to written records to accurately guage precise dates in antiquity.

    If you assume money as placing a "value" to a certain object for a good or service, then it has been hypothesized that beads as old as 80,000 years ago from a cave site in South Africa could have been perceived/used as a form of trade unit....although proving this would be near impossible. And certainly objects of greater age could have been used as a form of trade with a preassumed value (but again, proving this would be quite difficult)!
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Curiously it was tokens which were invented thousands of years before money
    and these led directly to the invention of writing which was even more important
    than money. The Sumerian farmers used small discs with engraved representations
    of farm assets to fascilitate trading. As time progressed the farms became larger and
    the discs needed to represent multiple units. In other words rather than trading twenty
    discs representing chicken for a load of wheat they'd trade two discs representing ten each.

    It was soon realized that if a symbol could represent an idea then it might represent a sound
    or a word. Writing developed in Sumeria and Egypt nearly simultaneously though Sumeria usually
    gets credit for the invention and the Egyptians get credit for making it practical with the invention of
    papyrus and the reed pen. It is Thoth who was the God of writing and scribes.

    Writing was well established by 3000 BC but it was another 2350 years or so before the concept of mon-
    ey arose. Barter was the order of the day and it was often difficult to make fair exchanges. For quite some
    time there was a use of silver, gold, or electrum (mostly electrum) to make "change" since it had a widely recog-
    nized value and was easily divisible. There were even standard weights and sometimes disc-shaped that served
    as a sort of proto-money.

    I find it rather remarkable that like most inventions writing and money were accidents and tokens preceded true coins.

    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    probably the same time prostitution started image
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    << <i>probably the same time prostitution started image >>




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    you might be onto something there image


    might raise the question... "Which came first, the chick or the means to pay for her?"
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This might be the earlest reference to "money" of which I'm aware;

    334a. N. has passed by his broad-house; the fury of the great sea has avoided him.
    334b. His fare is not accepted in the great ship;

    http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=fare+utterance+"sacred+texts+egypt+index+previous+next"&amp;d=4695945511501882&amp;mkt=en-US&amp;setlang=en-US&amp;w=bef2c9df,d3b2a36f

    I'm not sure how the experts date this but it was found inscribed in a pyramid from about
    2300 BC and believed to possibly date much older. I believe it was authored around 2700
    BC.

    The concept of "fare" is pretty complicated and I'm not sure what the referent is. There may
    have been a fairly standard barter item used to trade for passage in boats. "N" is the dead
    king who has become an "ascended" God upon death.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,097 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I always assumed Adam got the first buck.
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    SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,593 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>probably the same time prostitution started image >>



    They do not call it the world's oldest profession for nothing.
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,851 ✭✭✭✭
    It's all in Bob Leonard's new book!


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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Probably the first money was food for clothing or clothing for food. I'm sure it had to do with
    survival and was what we'd call bartering but was nothing less than money. I think Webster
    says that money is: something generally accepted as a medium of exchange, a measure of value.

    Until a proper form of money came about, such as sea shells, round rocks with holes in the middle,
    it most surely was just bartering. What do you have that I want and what will it take to buy it?

    Stones, precious and semi-precious, were also used as money. Jade in Orient, coral in Pacific were
    monies of some sort as well.

    Interesting topic!

    bob
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    Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,284 ✭✭✭
    My understanding is that bartering was the way most transactions occurred until there were taxes. Governments forced people to pay taxes using their currency, thus putting an end to bartering.
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    cladkingcladking Posts: 30,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Taxes were collected for thousands of years before money was invented. Little
    is known from before the time writing existed but in Egypt 10% of crops and herds
    were "paid' to the king. There was also "corvee labor" which was, no doubt, a
    sort of tax that was used to build state projects.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.

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