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Newp Standing Rock Dakota Indian Token. Anyone know anything about these?

gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭
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Has anyone seen one of these before? It is about 1" across. Seems to be made of steel.

Thanks,
Richard
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  • gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭
    I fixed the pics to show both sides. Should help you figure it out.
    Thanks,
    Richard

    my car art & My Ebay stuff
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    token

    That might help a little , hope so.
  • pakasmompakasmom Posts: 1,920 ✭
    Wow! That is seriously image
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭
    A major piece! Whoa! Lakota history. I don't know anything about the token, but it is off the cool chart!!!!image
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Were there such agencies in Dakota Territory in 1875? That is pre-Little Big Horn, and I don't know that any of the high plains Native American tribes had been forced onto reservations by then.
    Don't know one way or the other, but think it should be checked.
    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • FlatwoodsFlatwoods Posts: 4,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A quick search shows the reservation at 4 million acres in 1864.
    Cool piece.
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭


    << <i>Were there such agencies in Dakota Territory in 1875? That is pre-Little Big Horn, and I don't know that any of the high plains Native American tribes had been forced onto reservations by then.
    Don't know one way or the other, but think it should be checked.
    TD >>



    The auction link i put up indicates there were such tokens.
  • gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>token

    That might help a little , hope so. >>




    Thanks,
    I saw that one too. I am hoping mine is in the same ballpark. Definitely similar. I wonder what is more collectible the meat or the salt token. I wonder if there are also other product tokens out there.
    Now that I have one I have to put together the set. I am sure you all now that feeling.image
    It would be interesting to find some info on the actual history of these pieces. Do you think anyone grades these?

    Now I have to decide between my other newp, Indianapolis Motor Speedway medal or this for my next icon. Both are just too neat.
    indy medal

    Thanks,
    Richard

    my car art & My Ebay stuff
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>token

    That might help a little , hope so. >>




    Thanks,
    I saw that one too. I am hoping mine is in the same ballpark. Definitely similar. I wonder what is more collectible the meat or the salt token. I wonder if there are also other product tokens out there.
    Now that I have one I have to put together the set. I am sure you all now that feeling.image
    It would be interesting to find some info on the actual history of these pieces. Do you think anyone grades these?

    Now I have to decide between my other newp, Indianapolis Motor Speedway medal or this for my next icon. Both are just too neat.
    indy medal

    Thanks,
    Richard >>




    Your welcome , first thought would be 10lbs of meat is better than a pound of salt , not in those days it wasnt.You might have one of the higher denomination ones there , like the old saying "worth its salt"
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭


    << <i>Were there such agencies in Dakota Territory in 1875? That is pre-Little Big Horn, and I don't know that any of the high plains Native American tribes had been forced onto reservations by then.
    Don't know one way or the other, but think it should be checked.
    TD >>



    Actually the Little Big Horn fight involved many Indians who had left the reservation.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,726 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This token looks hand engraved and somewhat crude. Is there any contemporary documentation discussing these tokens? I'm concerned this may be a fantasy piece made to sell to collectors not unlike those bawdy house tokens sold in the flea markets.

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  • gummibeargummibear Posts: 786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>This token looks hand engraved and somewhat crude. Is there any contemporary documentation discussing these tokens? I'm concerned this may be a fantasy piece made to sell to collectors not unlike those bawdy house tokens sold in the flea markets. >>



    I am doubting that. it looks more punched than engraved. I don't think there would have been much of an interest in making a fake thing like this. You would have to really be into history to even start to get interested.

    Richard

    my car art & My Ebay stuff
  • JamesMurrayJamesMurray Posts: 4,036 ✭
    That really is one for Pawn stars , where else we gonna find an expert on them.

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