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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>50! >>



    lol, how did you come accross that?
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
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  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭


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    << <i>50! >>



    lol, how did you come accross that? >>



    y'all planted the idea, i just followed thru. imageimageimage
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>.........Also, I seem to remember sending you a '81 cello pack with Gantner on the front for the cost of shipping one time. I guess my integrity was lacking there too. >>



    Why would you make mention of this when you actually charged him $6 for the pack? It doesn't really support your integrity claim at all. >>



    I didn't know the exact amount of the cello pack. But it wasn't for much more than shipping. I'm sure it cost ~$4-$5 to ship it w/delivery conf. and then you have the some odd cents for paypal fees since it was before the personal payment. Either way, I could not care less what you or Gumby think of my integrity as I've built a succesful business with the utmost integrity and have made a couple hundred transactions on this board with such. >>



    Actually, assuming that the pack weighs no more than 4oz, First Class shipping with Delivery Confirmation would cost a total of $2.53 today. I'm sure you're aware, since you do so much business, that postal rates went up at the beginning of the year, so you paid less than $2.53 for postage. Combining that with the $0.47 you were charged by paypal, you netted $3 on the sale of a worthless pack of 81 Topps....only $0.50 less than what bbcexchange gets per pack of the same.

    So please don't come on here and pretend you did me a favor. Again, thanks for selling me the pack.

    If you go back and read my original post on this thread, you will see that did not mention your corvette listing on eBay. Your guilty conscience made you respond with that info.
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like opinions on this lot. Thanks!

    Topps Football Lot

    Should be arriving today from the ole' brown truck. It's 17 lbs. of card goodness. >>



    Nathaniel - it looks like a good buy IMO. I see some '50s cards there too ('57 Roosevelt Brown is clearly visible in the last pic, and I see '58 and '59 cards as well in pics).

    Nick
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    Reap the whirlwind.

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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    Craig, If you would like to bid on the Corvette the reserve is a modest $4800. I will take your registry sets as a down payment and, assuming your credit is ok, I'll finance the other $4700.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Craig, If you would like to bid on the Corvette the reserve is a modest $4800. I will take your registry sets as a down payment and, assuming your credit is ok, I'll finance the other $4700. >>



    Ignorance.

    I don't buy salvage cars.
  • JHS5120JHS5120 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭
    Nice lot! Too bad there is too much complaining about someone overcharging $2.00 on an 81' cello pack on this thread.
    My eBay Store =)

    "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." Dr. Seuss
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Craig, If you would like to bid on the Corvette the reserve is a modest $4800. I will take your registry sets as a down payment and, assuming your credit is ok, I'll finance the other $4700. >>



    Ignorance.

    I don't buy salvage cars. >>



    And I don't sell salvage cars, but if I did then it would seem they would be right up your alley given your Gantner fetish.
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭
    yeah....but..but...I bet Craig's daddy can beat up your daddy!!!
    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭


    << <i>yeah....but..but...I bet Craig's daddy can beat up your daddy!!! >>



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  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    PSA 6

    Chaz
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Oy vey!
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭

    The OP's explanation of the vette's title situation comports with GA law
    and that of many states.

    Once a water-damage insurance claim is filed/paid, the INS guys all
    notify the state. The title is then amended to note the problem.

    If a case is made that the "water damage" is de minimis - or misstates/
    overstates the circumstances - the title can be changed. Nothing wrong
    with that process, if the clerks/reviewers are honest.

    There is no way for the public to know if such a change was made honestly,
    or if the title is simply washed by a series of corrupt transfers.

    In any event, on EBAY, it is always best to look at a car-fax equivalent before
    listing. Dealers that I know would not buy a slightly-pricey car without taking
    a look at such a report.

    The OP's listing lingo is just puffery if he did not know about the title issue; there
    is no "ethical" problem.

    EBAY does require that the "listing description" note any known problems; the mere
    post-listing Experian attachments do not fulfill that requirement. (After a report is
    attached, the seller is expected to modify his written description. His SYIF must
    also note the problem.)

    .....................

    Members of my family have been car dealers in GA since before I was born. The
    current relatively tough laws in GA were largely a 1960s/1980s reaction to the
    "exploits" of some of my friends and family.

    Odometer legislation and salvage-regulation legislation was prolly more needed
    in GA than in almost any other state. The culture of fraud was alive and active
    at ALL of the car shops I hung-out as a teen.

    At one point, it was getting almost impossible to buy a used car that had not
    had an odometer rollback. Buyers were getting hurt when their rewelded salvage
    cars came apart on the highway. The current laws are pretty good and have
    increased both consumer confidence and safety.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • Nathaniel1960Nathaniel1960 Posts: 2,332 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>I would like opinions on this lot. Thanks!

    Topps Football Lot

    Should be arriving today from the ole' brown truck. It's 17 lbs. of card goodness. >>



    Nathaniel - it looks like a good buy IMO. I see some '50s cards there too ('57 Roosevelt Brown is clearly visible in the last pic, and I see '58 and '59 cards as well in pics).

    Nick >>



    Thanks for looking Nick - Yeah its hard to tell from the scans what is in there, I am hoping for the best. The 72 Sayers cards led me to believe the seller when he said it had not been cherry picked. We'll see.

    Judging by the stacks, I would say there's 300 or more of each of 68 - 73. Now if there are few 72 high #'s thrown in, well that would be nice. image

    Don't think there is much early to mid 60's, just a few thrown in.

    I'll give you all a detailed report.
    Kiss me once, shame on you.
    Kiss me twice.....let's party.
  • UphillUphill Posts: 361 ✭✭
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    Jamie

    Looking for Charlie (Charley) Maxwell cards.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The OP's explanation of the vette's title situation comports with GA law
    and that of many states.

    Once a water-damage insurance claim is filed/paid, the INS guys all
    notify the state. The title is then amended to note the problem.

    If a case is made that the "water damage" is de minimis - or misstates/
    overstates the circumstances - the title can be changed. Nothing wrong
    with that process, if the clerks/reviewers are honest.

    There is no way for the public to know if such a change was made honestly,
    or if the title is simply washed by a series of corrupt transfers.

    In any event, on EBAY, it is always best to look at a car-fax equivalent before
    listing. Dealers that I know would not buy a slightly-pricey car without taking
    a look at such a report.

    The OP's listing lingo is just puffery if he did not know about the title issue; there
    is no "ethical" problem.

    EBAY does require that the "listing description" note any known problems; the mere
    post-listing Experian attachments do not fulfill that requirement. (After a report is
    attached, the seller is expected to modify his written description. His SYIF must
    also note the problem.)

    .....................

    Members of my family have been car dealers in GA since before I was born. The
    current relatively tough laws in GA were largely a 1960s/1980s reaction to the
    "exploits" of some of my friends and family.

    Odometer legislation and salvage-regulation legislation was prolly more needed
    in GA than in almost any other state. The culture of fraud was alive and active
    at ALL of the car shops I hung-out as a teen.

    At one point, it was getting almost impossible to buy a used car that had not
    had an odometer rollback. Buyers were getting hurt when their rewelded salvage
    cars came apart on the highway. The current laws are pretty good and have
    increased both consumer confidence and safety. >>



    Stown, thanks for weighing in. You are correct about the vast corruption years ago in Georgia. A well known guy in our neck of the woods named Homer McDonald went to prison fo several years for rolling back odometers. I disclose everything to my customers and always provide a carfax. We have had 1 car with salvage history on the lot in the 5 years I've been in the business, and the only reason we had it was because it was an '04 Tacoma Crew Cab that I bought at a great deal and sold for a great deal with the customer in full knowledge of its history.

    People don't understand that if a car dealership sells a car with salvage history under the pretenses of a clear title then they can be sued for the money of the car they bought as well as huge damages and lose their license. I'm sure that still goes on a lot to people who are none the wiser or to people that have to buy a car using "buy here, pay here". They are just happy to be getting a car and have no idea about the title.

    The Corvette in question has a clear title, PERIOD. It sucked to see that the autocheck had that discrepancy that we didn't know about and I assumed it would be impossible to sell as I certainly wouldn't buy anything with a question mark like that. So far though, there have been no calls or no questions about it, to which I wouldn't have a clue how to answer anyway as the irregularity could be any number of minor things that happened 13 years ago.
  • nam812nam812 Posts: 10,601 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Stown, thanks for......... >>



    Attention to detail obviously isn't corvette's strong suit.
  • mccardguy1mccardguy1 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Stown, thanks for......... >>



    Attention to detail obviously isn't corvette's strong suit. >>



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    I am on a budget and I am not afraid to use it!!
  • larryallen73larryallen73 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭
    Off topic, I have been the market for an upscale used car lately which has caused me to look at countless CarFax and Autocheck reports. First of all, you would be amazed how different they can be for the SAME car. I looked at one last week that Autocheck showed having 6 previous owners and CarFax said 4. That's a big difference. Second, there are often obvious errors on the report. One manual transmission car shows a CarFax service of "changed automatic transmission fluid." A friend is selling a car where the DMV at one point transposed mileage and now CarFax suggests "possible odomoter rollback." CarFax and Autocheck are just guides. For example, if a person got in an accident and paid cash for the repairs, and no police report taken, it would not show up on these reports. It's buyer beware on used cars big time!
  • BarfvaderBarfvader Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Stown, thanks for......... >>



    Attention to detail obviously isn't corvette's strong suit. >>



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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "...CarFax and Autocheck are just guides........... It's buyer beware on used cars big time! ...."

    ////////////////////////

    Yup.

    Accuracy is a challenge. But, the guides are much better than no info at all.

    There are some aggregator services; not sure if they are regional/national.
    They give you a glimpse at all the major services' reports in one doc.

    The cost for dealers to subscribe to one or more services is negligible. There
    really is no reason to buy an expensive car - or take a trade-in - w/o looking
    at a report.

    Many hobbyists buy short-term subscriptions and share them; like some VCP
    users do.

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stown, thanks for weighing in. >>



    You're welcome.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • AllenAllen Posts: 7,165 ✭✭✭
    Sounds like the dude burned you for a 1964 Topps Set with a waterlogged vette. I have a feeling that you are going to report back about how amazing this lot is after all this haha.

    The trade for the vette
  • itzagoneritzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
    75!
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"...CarFax and Autocheck are just guides........... It's buyer beware on used cars big time! ...."

    ////////////////////////

    Yup.

    Accuracy is a challenge. But, the guides are much better than no info at all.

    There are some aggregator services; not sure if they are regional/national.
    They give you a glimpse at all the major services' reports in one doc.

    The cost for dealers to subscribe to one or more services is negligible. There
    really is no reason to buy an expensive car - or take a trade-in - w/o looking
    at a report.

    Many hobbyists buy short-term subscriptions and share them; like some VCP
    users do. >>



    Storm, sorry for accidentally putting stown. I am a horrible person.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    "There is no way for the public to know if such a change was made honestly,
    or if the title is simply washed by a series of corrupt transfers. "


    on a 78 cutlass ok, on an antique vette...I'd be worried
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Sounds like the dude burned you for a 1964 Topps Set with a waterlogged vette. I have a feeling that you are going to report back about how amazing this lot is after all this haha.

    The trade for the vette >>



    yep, I had a whole $2000 in that set. I regularly lose money on the trades I make. I also write bad checks every month for all of my homes and properties. I can't believe the banks continue to let me do business.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"There is no way for the public to know if such a change was made honestly,
    or if the title is simply washed by a series of corrupt transfers. "


    on a 78 cutlass ok, on an antique vette...I'd be worried >>



    I agree with you. There is no way in hell I'd buy a car with a title descrepancy that I wasn't absolutely sure about. The fact is that the car could have had the seat replaced because he left the window down or it could have fallen off a bridge. I have no clue. What I do know is that it has a clear title and is in immaculate condition. I also know that it will bring in the 4's at a wholesale and I've got 2K in it. It may even sell on ebay, who knows.
  • gumbyfangumbyfan Posts: 5,168 ✭✭✭
    Congratulations to those who bet on the over. Please take your stubs to the cashier for payout.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    "What I do know is that it has a clear title"


    just a "clear" one that requires an explanation


    "The OP's explanation of the vette's title situation comports with GA law
    and that of many states."


    well someone might gamble on it

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  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"What I do know is that it has a clear title"


    just a "clear" one that requires an explanation


    "The OP's explanation of the vette's title situation comports with GA law
    and that of many states."


    well someone might gamble on it >>



    lol, the title doesn't require an explanation. IT IS CLEAR. I didn't own it in 1997, so I have no clue what the "water damage" was. If someone wants to buy it then fine, if they don't then that's fine too. It doesn't matter one bit to me. It is already up to $3150 which is $1150 more than I have in it.
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>"What I do know is that it has a clear title"


    just a "clear" one that requires an explanation


    "The OP's explanation of the vette's title situation comports with GA law
    and that of many states."


    well someone might gamble on it >>



    lol, the title doesn't require an explanation. IT IS CLEAR. I didn't own it in 1997, so I have no clue what the "water damage" was. If someone wants to buy it then fine, if they don't then that's fine too. It doesn't matter one bit to me. It is already up to $3150 which is $1150 more than I have in it. >>



    Time to start saving up for those VCP "once a month" subscriptions

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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>50! >>



    This is my favorite ping pong video:

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't sweat it Tom, I had a similar experience when trying to sell my buddy's custom 1996 S-10 (he was original owner). The AutoCheck Vehicle History Report came up with one rear-end accident on the vehicle's history, so there were a couple inquiries on it from potential buyers. It turned out that it was a low-speed bump that had bent down the trailer hitch on it when the truck was 1 year old (he kept a copy of the accident report). As you can see by the pic, we had since customized the frame and shaved the bed, so the bumper and trailer hitch no longer existed anyway. I added that minor accident info to the auction description, but there were still morons inquiring about the accident as if it made a difference in this case.

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    These people are busting your chops because they have an obvious axe to grind. Way to profit on that trade!
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭


    << <i>"There is no way for the public to know if such a change was made honestly,
    or if the title is simply washed by a series of corrupt transfers. "

    on a 78 cutlass ok, on an antique vette...I'd be worried >>



    /////////////////////////////////////////////

    The 78 Cutlass is just as likely to kill you, if it comes apart on the freeway.

    I have bought/driven/sold many salvage cars. They are a great bargain,
    unless/until they hurt/kill you.

    Once a title has been washed/corrected, there is no EZ way to know what
    kind of problems the car REALLY had.

    Because "water damage" is a term of art that is now used as a legal term
    on the docs, there should be a remedy for the designation; and, there is.
    But, again, that remedy leaves the buyer in the dark.

    Buyers don't know if a WD car left the windows down and some rain messed
    up the seats/carpets, OR if the car was a week-long hurricane floater.

    IMV, unsophisticated buyers should NEVER buy a car with a corrected title
    unless they personally know the FULL/REAL history of the car and the seller.

    And, no car with a "salvage title" should ever be bought by ordinary folks.
    When I buy them, I pay tiny-pennies on the dollar, drive them carefully,
    and dump them to break-even or a little better. They represent value to
    me, because they are "free" transportation. But, they ARE VERY risky, and
    you can lose all of your "investment" if they break b4 you can sell them.

    ...................................

    The subject vette is a long time GA resident. The Experian report does not
    tell us if the car came from another state BEFORE the WD-title was issued.

    Cars that have always been titled in the same state - and have a corrected
    title - are usually safer than cars that start in one state, go to another and
    then come back to the first state. Title-washing is an easy process AND it
    works well when cars are moved interstate. (Crooked clerks can also be a
    problem, though they are much harder to find than they used to be.)

    .....................

    Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
  • corvette1340corvette1340 Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭
    UPDATE w/pics in first post.
  • jeffcbayjeffcbay Posts: 8,951 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow, some of those really are nice! Congrats!
  • RonBurgundyRonBurgundy Posts: 5,491 ✭✭✭
    Good work. Well done.
    Ron Burgundy

    Buying Vintage, all sports.
    Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
  • billwaltonsbeardbillwaltonsbeard Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭
    Nicely done!! Those look pack fresh!
  • baseballfanbaseballfan Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭
    those lokk real nice

    congrats
    Fred

    collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.

    looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started

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