Paypal rules against pack counterfeiter (hotstuffcollector) for fraud!!!
summerof68
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This morning I'm happy to report that I received an email from an ebayer thanking me for supplying him with indisputable proof that four (4) 1974 bb wax packs he won on ebay from pack counterfeiter (hotstuffcollector) were indeed counterfeit.
He filed a claim with paypal using this proof and yesterday his money was returned to his paypal account. Paypal concluded that "fraud" was committed. Paypal resolution case# PP-866-465-913
Sometimes the GOOD guys do win!!
He filed a claim with paypal using this proof and yesterday his money was returned to his paypal account. Paypal concluded that "fraud" was committed. Paypal resolution case# PP-866-465-913
Sometimes the GOOD guys do win!!
"You tell 'em I'm coming...and hell's coming with me"--Wyatt Earp
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Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
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"Since Paypal has decided that a crime was committed, what will they do about it?"
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Likely NOTHING.
But, if the seller robs anybody else via PayPal - and the vic learns
that PP knew the seller was a crook - PP would likely have some
liability in a civil action.
The major problem with nailing PP is that almost NO complaining
victim ever loses money. Once they get their refund, they just
move on and do nothing to clean up the mess.
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It's important to note that FEW victims ever find out they were
burned until years after the crime.
That is what makes the SCAM profitable.
Building lists of victims - and notifying them - may be the best
way to close down the crooks.
collecting RAW Topps baseball cards 1952 Highs to 1972. looking for collector grade (somewhere between psa 4-7 condition). let me know what you have, I'll take it, I want to finish sets, I must have something you can use for trade.
looking for Topps 71-72 hi's-62-53-54-55-59, I have these sets started
<< <i>"Since Paypal has decided that a crime was committed, what will they do about it?"
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Likely NOTHING.
But, if the seller robs anybody else via PayPal - and the vic learns
that PP knew the seller was a crook - PP would likely have some
liability in a civil action.
The major problem with nailing PP is that almost NO complaining
victim ever loses money. Once they get their refund, they just
move on and do nothing to clean up the mess.
.................
It's important to note that FEW victims ever find out they were
burned until years after the crime.
That is what makes the SCAM profitable.
Building lists of victims - and notifying them - may be the best
way to close down the crooks. >>
It would make sense for PP for forward all the info (via its legal dept of course) to law enforcement. At that point, they have most likely done all they can reasonably be expected to do and have therefore insulated themselves. I doubt they would/shoudl be expected to cross-referenec account information to catch these guys from signing right back up under new info.
Working on the following: 1970 Baseball PSA, 1970-1976 Raw, World Series Subsets PSA, 1969 Expansion Teams PSA, Fleer World Series Sets, Texas Rangers Topps Run 1972-1989
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To my knowledge, PP usually only responds to LEO requests;
they do not report crooks like the one described here, unless
the LEOs request info.
PP has an inherent conflict that mitigates against their desire
to be entrepreneurial crime-fighters. When PP pays a fraud
claim to a buyer, they often do so with their own money. PP
then tries to collect from the crook; if PP gets the LEOs in
the mix, PP largely loses the chance to recover their funds.
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PP claims to have a system to prevent banned crooks from
opening new accounts. Actually, their "security" scheme usually
only prevents honest folks from registering multiple accounts.
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It would make sense for PP for forward all the info (via its legal dept of course) to law enforcement. At that point, they have most likely done all they can reasonably be expected to do and have therefore insulated themselves. I doubt they would/shoudl be expected to cross-referenec account information to catch these guys from signing right back up under new info. >>
The problem is that since the fraud happened over multiple state lines (I would assume) no one would bother taking up the case because it would be too hard to get any conviction. Internet based crimes suck.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.