Paypal rules against pack counterfeiter (hotstuffcollector) for fraud!!!

summerof68

This morning I'm happy to report that I received an email from an ebayer thanking me for supplying him with indisputable proof that four (4) 1974 bb wax packs he won on ebay from pack counterfeiter (hotstuffcollector) were indeed counterfeit.

He filed a claim with paypal using this proof and yesterday his money was returned to his paypal account. Paypal concluded that "fraud" was committed. Paypal resolution case# PP-866-465-913

Sometimes the GOOD guys do win!!

2cardguys

Sometimes the GOOD guys do win!!

with your help they can.... nice to hear

Dboneesq

GREAT RESULTS!!!!

digicat

Since Paypal has decided that a crime was committed, what will they do about it?

mrmint23

Thanks Summerof68....Your service is as valuable as information provided by Storm88.


Keep up the Great work.

Kirk

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bman90278

Thanks Summerof68 for another great effort. I wish we had more guys like you who go the extra mile to make it tougher for the repackers and counterfeiters.

brian

storm888

"Since Paypal has decided that a crime was committed, what will they do about it?"

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Likely NOTHING.

But, if the seller robs anybody else via PayPal - and the vic learns
that PP knew the seller was a crook - PP would likely have some
liability in a civil action.

The major problem with nailing PP is that almost NO complaining
victim ever loses money. Once they get their refund, they just
move on and do nothing to clean up the mess.

.................

It's important to note that FEW victims ever find out they were
burned until years after the crime.

That is what makes the SCAM profitable.

Building lists of victims - and notifying them - may be the best
way to close down the crooks.

baseballfan

great work 68

bking

<< <i>"Since Paypal has decided that a crime was committed, what will they do about it?"

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Likely NOTHING.

But, if the seller robs anybody else via PayPal - and the vic learns
that PP knew the seller was a crook - PP would likely have some
liability in a civil action.

The major problem with nailing PP is that almost NO complaining
victim ever loses money. Once they get their refund, they just
move on and do nothing to clean up the mess.

.................

It's important to note that FEW victims ever find out they were
burned until years after the crime.

That is what makes the SCAM profitable.

Building lists of victims - and notifying them - may be the best
way to close down the crooks. >>


It would make sense for PP for forward all the info (via its legal dept of course) to law enforcement. At that point, they have most likely done all they can reasonably be expected to do and have therefore insulated themselves. I doubt they would/shoudl be expected to cross-referenec account information to catch these guys from signing right back up under new info.

and5zac

storm888

"It would make sense for PP for forward all the info (via its legal dept of course) to law enforcement. At that point, they have most likely done all they can reasonably be expected to do and have therefore insulated themselves. I doubt they would/shoudl be expected to cross-referenec account information to catch these guys from signing right back up under new info."

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To my knowledge, PP usually only responds to LEO requests;
they do not report crooks like the one described here, unless
the LEOs request info.

PP has an inherent conflict that mitigates against their desire
to be entrepreneurial crime-fighters. When PP pays a fraud
claim to a buyer, they often do so with their own money. PP
then tries to collect from the crook; if PP gets the LEOs in
the mix, PP largely loses the chance to recover their funds.

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PP claims to have a system to prevent banned crooks from
opening new accounts. Actually, their "security" scheme usually
only prevents honest folks from registering multiple accounts.

bunbelievable

<< <i>
It would make sense for PP for forward all the info (via its legal dept of course) to law enforcement. At that point, they have most likely done all they can reasonably be expected to do and have therefore insulated themselves. I doubt they would/shoudl be expected to cross-referenec account information to catch these guys from signing right back up under new info. >>


The problem is that since the fraud happened over multiple state lines (I would assume) no one would bother taking up the case because it would be too hard to get any conviction. Internet based crimes suck.

grote15

Great work again by Summer68...your efforts are very much appreciated and great info for unopened collectors on these boards!!