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Someone broke into my car last night and stole my oak showcases, among other things....

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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


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    What would be different if this was a random car break in by hoodlums looking for beer/drug money? >>



    Car alarm triggered, prints left behind. A yoot, druggie or drunk would not have taken the time or been clever enough to dig through the trunk, only taken ash tray change. Someone knew. >>



    Or they could just be a very good amateur car break in artist. The fact that they hauled heavy cabinets a block on foot before abandoning them makes them sound less professional to me. --Jerry
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,050 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It wouldn't be pretty to see the thieves hanging from a Christmas tree. FInd them and bring back the old rugged cross.
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    BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭
    Wow, sorry to hear that Charmy. Good luck.
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    << <i>Or they could just be a very good amateur car break in artist. The fact that they hauled heavy cabinets a block on foot before abandoning them makes them sound less professional to me. --Jerry >>



    Good point, but the OP never mentioned other breask-in report and this may have been a get away car, a smart theif trying to rid Identifiable loot asap.
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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Again, everyone, thank you so much for all your concern and suggestions. We too are very grateful the situation wasn't more serious. All the things that were taken can be replaced and I'm not too concerned about that. It's just the level of security I once took for granted has been dealt a large blow - which could be a good thing since my husband has often accused me of being too trusting. Believe me, we are going to take a lot more precautions. And to address some of your questions and comments:

    We already looked at the sensor lights last night when we were shopping for my wine refrigerator and will get those installed this week. I'm looking into the security system today, and we have already put the word out about getting a German Shepherd - we used to have a beautiful German Shepherd who was the best watch dog but he died a few years ago. My husband couldn't part with the dog house he had built, so now we're glad we kept it!

    Thanks for the suggestions about a beefed up car alarm system, I will make inquiries into that as well.

    My cases were way too heavy for the thieves to be on foot, and the box of stuff they took with the books, etc., would also have been too heavy for them to hand carry very far. They definitely had a vehicle and more than one person. Since the method they used to break in was "old fashioned," the police believe the thieves might not have been kids.

    I already filed a claim with our auto insurance (I have a Toyota Sequoia and I think between repairing the door/lock/possibly alarm system and the cigarette lighter that was damaged when they yanked out the Ipod radio adapter may be somewhat significant). But we probably will not file an insurance claim with our homeowner's insurance, even though our adjuster told us we would only need to pay the lowest deductible between the two if we filed a homeowner's claim too (we have the same insurer for both). I also understand that our auto insurance premium will not be affected by this type of claim.

    For the past several years, my city has been voted the "safest city in the country" so I asked the police officer (who was a women, by the way, as was the CSI officer) about this. She said that title was referring to bodily injury crimes of which we have very little, but as far as property crimes, that was a different story. She said, if you were a thief, where would you rather steal from - the poor city you live in, or the more affluent city a few miles away?

    So, again, thank you everyone, and even though this has affected us, it will not consume us, nor will it take away the joy I get from dealing and collecting coins. I know there are desperate people out there, but we are indeed fortunate in having our family safe and healthy, and in being able to have what we have and do what we enjoy. I am thankful to all you wonderful forumites and I hope you can take some time to appreciate and spend time with your loved ones during this holiday season. image
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    ya' need a rotti doll
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    PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Charmy,

    Best wishes for a peaceful holiday.

    Thank you for posting and sharing this painful experience for all of us to read and ponder. It gives us all, whether a dealer or collector pause to rethink our routines, practices and security measures.

    I'm glad what was taken was relatively minimal and partially recovered. It also sounds like your law enforcement in your community is proactive which isn't always the case.

    Good luck with your improved security measures. It sounds like you moving forward diligently.

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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    LOL, actually I am quite fond of rottweilers but my hubby prefers German Shepherds for protection and intimidation purposes. He really would rather have an Irish Setter but they're not quite as effective guard dogs as a large intimidating GS. (I think my hubby is a bit prejudice since he's half German and half Irish!). And I loved our last GS so much - he was the most wonderful, sweet, yet intimidating dog in the world! He was a great people loving dog, but no one who didn't know him would dare approach him without one of us present - including the meter man who had to go in the backyard to check the electric meter!
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    ElKevvoElKevvo Posts: 4,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow...sorry to hear that Charmy....I have had my car broken into and can relate to the feeling of being violated, it will fade with time but is not a good feeling at all.

    Get the alarm, dog and some lights...it is too bad you have to but is a reality.

    Glad you are safe!

    K
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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just FYI depending on your homeowners insurance company they won't likely drop you for this...they will drop you for a big claim. But they'll usually find a way to drop you for a big claim anyway. So if you're out more than a few hundred bucks, talk to your agent. I had a $15k claim last year and a $5k claim this year and didn't get dropped (but I pay $6k a year in premiums, so my agent was on my side).

    In my house we would compromise on the dog by getting bothimage

    Best wishes.
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    AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 25,036 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, that does not feel good at all. Horrible, horrible feeling.

    Yes, you may now be a target. Get a dummy box of coins and cheap, cheap safe
    to put in an obvious, but not so obvious place. It's a give up safe. Always leave
    it ajar, put cheap moderns like mint and proof sets, etc. A bit of small cash.

    Don't be paranoid just be aware. Have a professional that deals in home safety
    take a look at your place to see what you can or should do to deter these thieves.

    Any advice you get off this forum, take with a large grain of salt as we don't know
    anything about your home, neighborhood or city to give you real advice.

    Hope it never happens again!

    Safe holidays PL.

    bob

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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    It seems like the best 'dummy safe' technique is to actually close it. Don't let 'em see what is inside. Let their imagination go.
    Make sure you purchase a heavy model. The heaviest you can. Fill it with fishing weights.
    Do not attach it or bolt it down or anything like that. Let them remove it without damage to your house.


    Problem is...I figure anyone that has a dummy safe also has something Very Real and Very Good somewhere. So i'm not certain how good a deterrent this really is.
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    DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,431 ✭✭✭✭✭
    sorry to hear your bad news,

    my son recently totalled my honda civic,

    but he's fine, that's the main thing.

    you have to look on the bright side......
    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks for the suggestions about a beefed up car alarm system, I will make inquiries into that as well.
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    Charmy,

    Get a Viper alarm system. Mine alerts me if anyone so much as bumps my truck, no matter where I am! And it has remote start which is nice in the winter. It is one of the best investments you can make if you have a nice vehicle, or have expensive items in your vehicle! I hope things improve for you, and the police catch the lowlife pieces of doodoo that violated your property. Nothing is worse that a thief!

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    Take care,
    Best regards,
    Dwayne F. Sessom
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    fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
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    What a way to start the Christmas season. Make the best of it, and don't let it get you down.

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    This news makes me feel heartsick - and paranoid (for you.)

    I hope you immediately take highly visual, proactive steps to safe guard your home.

    Very sorry you have experienced this.... image
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    LOL, actually I am quite fond of rottweilers but my hubby prefers German Shepherds for protection and intimidation purposes. He really would rather have an Irish Setter but they're not quite as effective guard dogs as a large intimidating GS. (I think my hubby is a bit prejudice since he's half German and half Irish!). And I loved our last GS so much - he was the most wonderful, sweet, yet intimidating dog in the world! He was a great people loving dog, but no one who didn't know him would dare approach him without one of us present - including the meter man who had to go in the backyard to check the electric meter! >>



    Original rots are german too image
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    EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hi Charmy.

    I am so sick over your theft. It sure is tough to lose that feeling of security in your own home. Unfortunately, now you know that they know you are a coin dealer and you will be a target. Please make sure your beef up your security and get a dog. With all the traveling you and your husband do, it is going to be difficult to keep your mind off your home's security. Maybe install a home camera you can monitor your home from your computer.

    Rick
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    Plus I'd rather try to out run a GSD or take it's biter any day. image
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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WOW !!! image
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    We've had our cars gone through twice in our driveway at night. Nothing of value was there to take, but still a skeevy feeling, so now I lock empty cars just to keep out the riff raff. We have a home security system, and I highly recommend it.
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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    Sorry the read all this.
    Did the cops check your car for a GPS device ?
    That is the new way to track a car - not just follow in traffic.

    Do you suppose it could be friends of friends of your grown children?
    Maybe peope find out you deal coins from your kids, and that type of thing could spread to the wrong people too.
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    pendragon1998pendragon1998 Posts: 2,070 ✭✭✭
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    It's good to hear that you're taking this seriously and are shoring up your security. Sounds like you've got your head on straight. Hope things stay peaceful for you for the rest of the holidays and in the new year. image
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    dizzyfoxxdizzyfoxx Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭
    Thieving scum is always harder to deal with at Christmas time. Sorry to hear about that Charmy.image
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    BarbercoinBarbercoin Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭
    Nothing I can say will make you feel any better. I just want you to know we're here for you.

    May God bless.

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    That's terrible. My car had been burglarized at my home decades ago, I know how it feels. However, In your case I be worried.
    I don't want to say how on a public forum, nor to worry you more, but most car alarms and house alarms can be bypassed easily. Anytime someone knows you deal in coins, and where you live ... I would be taking SUPER duper precautions. You never know who the word passes to, typical Idiot burglars looking to resell for drugs or professionals.
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    dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>...but most car alarms and house alarms can be bypassed easily. >>



    Oh, this is a great point that I forgot to mention. Being a professional alarm installer when I was in my early 20's and then a police officer, this also occured to me when installing the truck alarm. So I have 2 independant batteries, 4 power leads and 4 ground leads, and the Viper alarm also has an internal battery that alerts the keychain remote if the power is cut to it. Very innovative. My home alarm also has battery backup, and I have a dog. You can never have too many layers of protection, no matter how nice the neighborhood.
    Best regards,
    Dwayne F. Sessom
    Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
    My V Nickel Registry Set - https://pcgs.com/setregistry/alltimeset/71874
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    greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    dsessom...I like that ride!

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    Don't know if anyone said this, but get alarm company sign for front yard stat. You know what else may work? Have you seen those full size mannequin butlers (people jokingly put them with a towel over his arm in the entry)? I know my neighbor has one but everytime I drive by and glance through their glass front door, I still momentarily thinks it's real. Maybe prop one up inside that is visible from front of house. A "person" inside is the best deterrent.
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    Charmy,

    I am very saddend to hear this happend to you. I hope you are able to recover the rest of your items over time. Hopefully you can just look at this as some sort of warning and be greatful that mroe was not stolen. This is a perfect opportunity to tighten up your security and be careful. I hope you have a great christmas and hope this does not put a huge damper on your holiday.


    Chirs
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear that Charmy. In front of your house almost has to be some local ne'er do wells. I hope that the local police have some luck.


    Best wishes to you for a Happy and Healthy Holiday season.
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    I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.

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    Rotten bums...image....!!!
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    JazzmanJABJazzmanJAB Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry about your loss.
    Good Luck with your recovery.
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Very sorry to hear about the theft, but glad you recovered 2 of the cases. I hope nothing like this happens to you ever again! Kaz
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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Again, THANK YOU SO MUCH everyone for all your concern, good wishes, and very helpful suggestions - both on this post and in all of your pm's to me. I have already contacted a security company who is going to come in and help us decide what type and how much security to get, etc.

    To be honest, I was kind of hesitant to post my theft story because the experience was upsetting and very frustrating to me, and I was so angry that I just didn't want to think about it any more (my husband is even angrier at these degenerates that they have intruded in our lives like this). But I'm so glad I did post this, because you all made me feel a lot better and gave me some great suggestions to consider. I'm looking at this event as more of a wake up call to beef up our security, and once all that is in place, I know we will rest easier and be able to move on.

    Any way, just wanted you all to know how much I value this forum and your warm wishes - THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, by the way, without giving our name and specific address, our local police department just sent out pre-recorded phone calls to everyone in our area notifying them of my theft, what types of things were taken (they said "cash" instead of coins), and how they got into my car and asking for help in finding the thieves! This is really great - and I am thankful our police are being diligent in this!
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 14,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I sure am sorry to hear this around the holidays, and it seems like it always happens to the nice people. I hope the bums get caught and pay big time for they're crime.
    Just put it behind you and enjoy time with your family...Merry Christmas....
    The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
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    ArizonaJackArizonaJack Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭
    Wow, I log in for the 1st time in 6 weeks and see this?

    Charmy, I have read the entire thread. I know you carry a nice " heater " with you ( Detroit Slang), and will not offer more, other than, thank god girl you are safe. Things can be replaced, you cannot.

    Side note.....when I had my safe moved, I went to Best Buy and they gave me a refridgerator box to cover it. The neighbors think I got a new fridge, little did they know. It was recommended to me by the security company I hired to do my alarm and safe moving.

    I will see you ( and Rick ) in Long Beach, untill then, keep your spirits up......and I like the dog idea :-)

    Here's Mark to say hello.


    Hello hon, sorry to hear that some azz hole took things that you you held close to you. Hope to see you and Rick in long beach , sorry we missed the show in Ontario, keep your head up, keep the smile and things will get better. Mark.
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    GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 18,502 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Charmy, these punks will pay!!!! I feel for your violation....soo sorry!!!!

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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Wow, I log in for the 1st time in 6 weeks and see this?

    Charmy, I have read the entire thread. I know you carry a nice " heater " with you ( Detroit Slang), and will not offer more, other than, thank god girl you are safe. Things can be replaced, you cannot.

    Side note.....when I had my safe moved, I went to Best Buy and they gave me a refridgerator box to cover it. The neighbors think I got a new fridge, little did they know. It was recommended to me by the security company I hired to do my alarm and safe moving.

    I will see you ( and Rick ) in Long Beach, untill then, keep your spirits up......and I like the dog idea :-)

    Here's Mark to say hello.

    Hello hon, sorry to hear that some azz hole took things that you you held close to you. Hope to see you and Rick in long beach , sorry we missed the show in Ontario, keep your head up, keep the smile and things will get better. Mark. >>



    Hey you two! Long time, no see!!! And I really missed you guys in Ontario - even had my poker chips with me, so had to go to the casino by myself!

    Thanks for the kind wishes, and no worries, all will be fine as soon as I get my new security system, sensor lights, outdoor videocam, Viper car alarm and that new bad-axx German Shepherd! (My kitty sure isn't going to like sharing her domain with some big ol newbie dog, even if he is 20 times her size!)
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>ya' need a rotti doll >>

    LOL, actually I am quite fond of rottweilers but my hubby prefers German Shepherds for protection and intimidation purposes. >>

    LOL! Don't you think an adult rottie is at least as intimidating as a shepherd?
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    Or maybe you were thinking of a puppy...
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    Sorry about the trouble, Charmy. Besides the above I recommend a...
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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awwwwwww, that is one sweet little guy there! And the puppy is kinda cute too!
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭
    My parents are on their second rottweiler and while rottweilers appear regal yet menacing to outsiders, their strongest talent seems to be one thing only...eating food.
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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have done about 3 major security upgrades this year to different things. It will make you feel better and sleep well at night.
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    Hi, I read through the posts. A few things still missing IMO, and meant for everyone to consider as we all have something to lose:

    1. A security camera should have two systems. One is a rather cheap – visible - camera. The perps will disable that one. A better – hidden - system captures their activity through a live video feed.
    2. Be careful what you post. Nobody else mentioned it, so I must: you keep a fairly high profile on the internet, linking a picture of yourself, your name, to coins, etc. Didn’t take me long at all to find too much, and I don’t even care. At least your WHOIS links to a POBox, but there could be other Personally Identifiable Information out there that you aren’t aware of. Try to throw off Intelius, ChoicePoint et. al. by putting some INCORRECT information out there on the web. At least create a few little false leads…
    3. Sandbag, sandbag, sandbag. Make a criminal WORK for that score. Slow them down, most professionals only want to be inside your house for under five minutes, if that. Don’t put your stuff in one place, put it in 30 places. And, the non-professionals can be fooled with substitute/look-like fakes and lesser merchandise.
    4. There is a CLUE score for both you and your house. Try to find your current score and consult with someone in the insurance biz, if possible, to determine what size claim is possible w/o messing up the CLUE score to badly. Read more here: http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs26-CLUE.htm
    5. You might sit down with your insurance agent and discuss other types of insurance that fit your situation, some may not hit your scores.
    6. Consider trying to appear that you don’t have much money.

    And most importantly, your stuff is replaceable, your life is not. IF it comes down to it, let them have a few cents.

    all the best...
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    BBNBBN Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>ya' need a rotti doll >>

    LOL, actually I am quite fond of rottweilers but my hubby prefers German Shepherds for protection and intimidation purposes. >>

    LOL! Don't you think an adult rottie is at least as intimidating as a shepherd?


    Lance. >>



    Rotts are nice, but criminals and German Shepards just have this natural enemy thing like cats and dogs or cats and mice. I don't know what it is. In 18+ years of working in law enforcement German Shepards just seem to hate criminals and these scumbags severely fear German Shepards more than any other breed. I'm thinking it's the police dog thing that scares these scumbags and these dogs just seem to sense when a person is scared and pounce on it.

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    I wonder if the thieves read these message boards to see what they are up against regarding increased security.image
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    ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>ya' need a rotti doll >>

    LOL, actually I am quite fond of rottweilers but my hubby prefers German Shepherds for protection and intimidation purposes. >>

    LOL! Don't you think an adult rottie is at least as intimidating as a shepherd?


    Lance. >>



    Rotts are nice, but criminals and German Shepards just have this natural enemy thing like cats and dogs or cats and mice. I don't know what it is. In 18+ years of working in law enforcement German Shepards just seem to hate criminals and these scumbags severely fear German Shepards more than any other breed. I'm thinking it's the police dog thing that scares these scumbags and these dogs just seem to sense when a person is scared and pounce on it. >>



    We had a German Shepherd for 10 years (he died a few years ago) and he really was intimidating, especially to all the door-to-door sales people or people who leave fliers on your doorstep. We had a bench up against the fence that faced the street and he could stand on that bench with his paws on top of the fence and see anyone who came up to the house. Boy, he would bark like crazy at anyone who dared step on the property! And people thought he was really that big! He was the perfect watch dog, that's for sure.
    Charmy Harker
    The Penny Lady®
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    LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    Sorry to hear about this. image
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    JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Good luck and I'm sorry to hear about your edisode. Nothing to do but shake it off and enjoy your holiday's. This will be but a blip on the Charmy radar screen in the grand scheme of things. MJ
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    Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......

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