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Whatz new with the 5 oz silver Park / America coins (aka Hockey Pucks)?

AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
Has anyone heard anything on this front? Are they going to be dealer distributed? I see nothing on the 2010 Mint schedule (thanks GB).

I'd also like to know when they will be available at the parks themselves.

Looks like these may be one of the more interesting releases this coming (ho hum) year -- if any...
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  • and the proof silver eagles are still showing as not being produced on the 2010 list repeating the 2009 notice of not enough to meet demand.
  • Incongruous? Could that be the word I'm looking for? Not from our boys in DC?! image

    I wrote in another thread months ago how amazing it is to think the mint couldn't/can't produce 1oz ASE's, but they can produce these 5oz silver horse-chokers?

    Like I said then, buy silver mining stocks, your congressman did.
  • ClosedLoopClosedLoop Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭
    there's no way i'm buying these!image

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll buy them if they aren't priced too much higher than their melt value.

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With gold getting out of reach for many now, I think these may get some interest.
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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wrote in another thread months ago how amazing it is to think the mint couldn't/can't produce 1oz ASE's, but they can produce these 5oz silver horse-chokers?

    A question that needs to be repeated, often - to lots of Congressional offices. Addressing this question would be a better use of Congressional time and effort than what they are doing these days.
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  • It must have to do with global warming!! That will be next story we hear.
  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭
    I would like to see these in person when made. They might be interesting.
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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TTT for the Saturday gang. Anyone in the know?
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,496 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>TTT for the Saturday gang. Anyone in the know? >>



    Is this a done deal---legislated and signed into law?

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  • rld14rld14 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I would like to see these in person when made. They might be interesting. >>



    I thought that the C&C Lincoln set was enough of a foray into Proletariat Numismatics for you?
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  • LongacreLongacre Posts: 16,717 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I would like to see these in person when made. They might be interesting. >>



    I thought that the C&C Lincoln set was enough of a foray into Proletariat Numismatics for you? >>





    True. That was not a fun experience.
    Always took candy from strangers
    Didn't wanna get me no trade
    Never want to be like papa
    Working for the boss every night and day
    --"Happy", by the Rolling Stones (1972)


  • << <i>I'll buy them if they aren't priced too much higher than their melt value. >>



    Not from the mint, you won't. However, maybe not too long until the secondary market, especially if the price of silver rises.
  • I get a bad feeling that the premiums will be high on these. For one seeking silver there are cheaper alternatives. I suppose there could always be a niche market for this in the future, so hard to say what value they will have above silver. I suppose that depends on the numbers available. We are talking a $5500+,eleven year investment (2010-2021). I have my 2003 National Wildlife medal set, and so far, they haven't done much. Get them if you really like the design, and if getting the whole set, enough space to store 55 of these (and whatever packaging they come in).
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Of course there will be a premium on these, just like every other coin -- what it will be has yet to be determined.

    The fact that they will be FIVE OUNCES is a FIRST for the US Mint (that I know of) and therefore will have special significance for collectors and newcomers alike.

    Just because it's different is no cause to poo-poo, silver has a special place with many collectors and investors.

    I -- for one -- am excited about this series and feel that it's about time some of the most magnificent national landmarks are recognized in our coinage.

    So I ask again -- anyone have news about this?
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  • << <i>Of course there will be a premium on these, just like every other coin -- what it will be has yet to be determined.

    The fact that they will be FIVE OUNCES is a FIRST for the US Mint (that I know of) and therefore will have special significance for collectors and newcomers alike.

    >>

    The Mint put out 6 and 12 troy oz silver medals in 1988 for the Young Astronaut program...they were cool and i think these will be huge sellers no matter what the premuim
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭
    Yes it is passed an signed into law.

    That also relates to why the mint can and cannot produce all these things. Some are required by law, others are authorized (but not required). Guess which one falls off the plate when there are not enough resources to do them all.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,783 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Yes it is passed an signed into law.

    That also relates to why the mint can and cannot produce all these things. Some are required by law, others are authorized (but not required). Guess which one falls off the plate when there are not enough resources to do them all. >>




    Where?

    HR 3405 and S. 758 both died in committee. If you have different bills that did pass, please cite them.

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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭
    Public Law 110-456. Trying to find a copy now.
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  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭
    Here is a reference to it. Link

    And another.Since they are only being distributed through the bullion dealers, I would not expect them to be on the public release schedule.

    Lastly, the US Mint says they will be producing them. Mint Link
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My bad. I got confused with the palladium UHR legislation.
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  • halfhunterhalfhunter Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭
    I thought that these were part of the law mandating the "America the Beautiful" series.
    Anyway, according to Coin World two new presses have been installed at the Philadelphia Mint to be dedicated to production of these 5 ozers. They are to be distributed only through the Mint's silver bullion buyers (same as bullion ASEs).
    Wonder why the presses went to Philly instead of West Point?

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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The law seems to be a bit fuzzy about distribution -- it eludes to authorized dealers and the Director of the Park Service, but does not seem to specifically preclude the Mint from selling.

    AND, it also disallows these to be sold beyond the year the quarter is issued. How does that affect the "authorized dealers"? I'm guessing they can be sold in other years, just not from the Mint...

    (3) DISTRIBUTION-

    `(A) IN GENERAL- In addition to the authorized dealers utilized by the Secretary in distributing bullion coins and solely for purposes of distributing bullion coins issued under this subsection, the Director of the National Park Service, or the designee of the Director, may purchase...

    `(2) AVAILABILITY FOR SALE- Bullion coins minted under paragraph (1)–

    `(A) shall become available for sale no sooner than the first day of the calendar year in which the circulating quarter dollar of which such bullion coin is a duplicate is issued; and

    `(B) may only be available for sale during the year in which such circulating quarter dollar is issued.
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  • smokincoinsmokincoin Posts: 2,636 ✭✭✭
    Yet another opportunity to buy someone's cherrypicking rejects & paying a middleman at the same time. NO THANKS! On the other hand... I'd give serious consideration if the U.S.Mint were to sell them directly to me.
  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,786 ✭✭✭


    << <i>My bad. I got confused with the palladium UHR legislation.
    image >>


    You had me doubting myself. I don't like to post wrong information, and I felt sure I had seen that it passed. I just had to go back and double check myself!
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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,479 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That sucks that we cannot order directly from the US Mint. As mentioned, the ones sold by the authorized agents will probably be culled out from the nicer examples.

    Will the Mint be selling Proof examples directly to the public? Or, are they only going to be BU examples minted?
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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    From what I read in the legislation, it only refers to "bullion investment product" and "bullion coin" for the 5 oz'rs.

    It does provide for proof silver coins in the regular quarters for Mint sale.
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  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So are the TPGs set up to slab 5 oz medals? NGC is, correct?
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  • << <i>Yet another opportunity to buy someone's cherrypicking rejects & paying a middleman at the same time. NO THANKS! On the other hand... I'd give serious consideration if the U.S.Mint were to sell them directly to me. >>



    I agree 100%! Count me out too!
  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still haven't heard anything newsy, for the Mon/Tue crowd...
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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Merry Christmas!

    Still fishing for news...
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  • AkbeezAkbeez Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stirrin' it up again -- any new news?
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