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Why do some people bid auctions up and up with 10, 20, 30 minutes left?
coin22lover
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This is something I've never understood...and if you do this, please explain why. Often I'm waiting to snipe bid on a coin, and very often someone comes along with 30...20...5 minutes left and bids incrementally until they are the high bidder. Why not just wait until 5 seconds are left and just bid the maximum you're willing to pay? Why give someone else the temptation to come along and increase the price you pay even further?
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and I might miss the last 5 seconds of auction that you like to bid on
and if coin is closer to max at 15 minutes left (vs 10% value), the people looking at category will say no big bargain there
but if it was only 10% value, there might be many more contenders at close
Yeah, I sometimes just get my bidding out of the way early.
Dowgie
and if coin is closer to max at 15 minutes left (vs 10% value), the people looking at category will say no big bargain there
Yep,If I want something, I may place a bid 10% below my max at start of sale ,to discourage as many as possible from the sale. Also noticed on selling,as the price goes up, the number of "watchers" goes down.
<< <i>My reply would be similar to sinin1. I usually don't incrementally bid up an auction, but I will go in and make my max bid and let it ride. I never understood sniping. You are really doing the same thing except in the last 5 seconds. You are entering the max you want to pay and let the highest bidder win, whether you do it 30 minutes before an auction ends or 5 seconds. Help me out here?
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Yes, by doing this you are giving shill bidders opportunity, as well as tempting others to beat your bid.
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<< <i>My reply would be similar to sinin1. I usually don't incrementally bid up an auction, but I will go in and make my max bid and let it ride. I never understood sniping. You are really doing the same thing except in the last 5 seconds. You are entering the max you want to pay and let the highest bidder win, whether you do it 30 minutes before an auction ends or 5 seconds. Help me out here?
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Yes, by doing this you are giving shill bidders opportunity, as well as tempting others to beat your bid. >>
And if so then they wanted it more than I did.
it is especially obvious with a newer bidder (possible shill? nah, ebay doesn't allow those
that in the last 20 minutes, bumps up the bid every minute or 2, goes away and 5 minutes later does it again
If I really want something, I will go to the EFFORT of setting up a 5 second snipe
but takes some time, opening another browser, copying item number, .....
but my eBay summary starts with my bidding - which I guess could be my watching if I was JUST a sniper
as far as repeat bidding up/up/up, I rarely do that now
I can't understand why the Gov outlawed online gaming, but they allow online auctions- isn't it the same thing ? Don't people realize that someone,maybe even hackers, has "master software" that can see everyone's hand ?
Chance favors the prepared mind.
<< <i>Maybe it is caused by BID-BOTS !
I can't understand why the Gov outlawed online gaming, but they allow online auctions- isn't it the same thing ? Don't people realize that someone,maybe even hackers, has "master software" that can see everyone's hand ? >>
Maybe we should "coin" them BID-IOTS!
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<< <i>My reply would be similar to sinin1. I usually don't incrementally bid up an auction, but I will go in and make my max bid and let it ride. I never understood sniping. You are really doing the same thing except in the last 5 seconds. You are entering the max you want to pay and let the highest bidder win, whether you do it 30 minutes before an auction ends or 5 seconds. Help me out here?
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Yes, by doing this you are giving shill bidders opportunity, as well as tempting others to beat your bid. >>
And if so then they wanted it more than I did. >>
Or money wasn't a problem. Let's face it, the bidding system is pretty much all screwed up. Whenever someone has more money than brains, we'll see a coin's value double, triple or more overnight. Just because someone thinks they can bid a $100 coin up to 20 grand, doesn't neccesarially equate to a fair market value for a coin. The majority of us collectors who have suffered pretty much by the same demeaners all our lives are always waiting for these clowns to live and learn and move on. But that doesn't happen since there's always another one ready to take his place although it's usually with bad timing when they buy and sell. But the bottom line is the fact that they don't really care or know better about how much they pay and how much they're going to lose. They just jump in feet first and there they are, thinking they're actually accomplishing something, doing everybody a favor by being some kind of king of the hill.
There was a time when I got all upset about it, even to email the winner and asked him why he waited all week to bid in the final minutes of the auction. And he said, I usually sit right here in front of my computer and wait for the very last second to bid if I really want something. Of course, I came back with, "is this method of bidding the way to show the true value of a coin?" "That we should of had a bidding war to see who came out on top and who wanted the coin worst than the other." By this time I started to feel a little silly over the matter since there's no way I'll ever be able to control how someone bids. You win some and lose some. And then there's the wait.
Leo
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I find many times this process can be traced to shill bidding by just looking at the detailed bidding list. Especially if you put a nice chunk of change out there as your maximum and the seller knows it. Ebay is becoming more and more of a war of bidders against sellers shill/s and with due diligence all you have to do is watch the bidder details to find the ones who do it.
Of course no one will admit it but I bet a few of our very own right here participate in the practice. Nope not me and not the mass majority here but.............
<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Online sniping program is a sure win, if you bid high enough - BUT it takes the fun out of it ....
Opening that extra browser, and doing the sniping 'by hand', the old fashioned way will give you a thrill every time!
Also, if there is an item, that is bid about it's approximate value, a person may want to see if they can get it for just small amount more, and then even try again - not really wanting to pay a whole lot more, but incrementally bid in small amounts.
Then again, others may do it just to irritate high bidder, and make them pay more, because they can.
<< <i>It all really doesn't matter, if I want the item bad enough - I will bid high enough, and win it. >>
For most collectors, overpaying for coins is not a practical option. Their coin budget is limited and they prefer to get the most benefit for their budget.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Does the guy who bids $5 for a $1500 coin on the first day REALLY think he's going to win? What's the point (other than adding it to a watch list)?
Ken
<< <i>minutes left and bids incrementally I find many times this process can be traced to shill bidding by just looking at the detailed bidding list. Especially if you put a nice chunk of change out there as your maximum and the seller knows it. Ebay is becoming more and more of a war of bidders against sellers shill/s and with due diligence all you have to do is watch the bidder details to find the ones who do it. Of course no one will admit it but I bet a few of our very own right here participate in the practice. Nope not me and not the mass majority here but............. >>
As an eBay seller, I must say that I have absolutely NO IDEA what folks Maximum Bids are!
However, as an eBay Buyer I can pretty much guess what my competition might bid so I add $1.58 to my bid.
Shill bidding does exist but not to the extent that some would like you to believe. If you as a buyer enter a maximum bid, then you as a buyer should, at the very minimum, respect your maximum bid and not whine and scream SHILL when you end up paying that amount.
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. If the shill should win the bid just trying to run up the price then they simply withdraw the bid and are never penalized for doing so. Another sure shill sign a bidder is one who has withdrawn their bid many times without penalty to their account because it is never reported.
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Shill bidding does exist but not to the extent that some would like you to believe. If you as a buyer enter a maximum bid, then you as a buyer should, at the very minimum, respect your maximum bid and not whine and scream SHILL when you end up paying that amount. >>
With all due respect shill bidding is rampant on ebay.
so, a little bid, up the price a bit...feel out the competition....at least they are doing SoMeThInG!
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. >>
How would the shill bidder know the high bid?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. >>
How would the shill bidder know the high bid? >>
Conspiracy theorist.
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. >>
How would the shill bidder know the high bid? >>
Me thinks you are playing dumb concerning shill bidders and more often the seller having multi accounts JUST for such shilling.
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. >>
How would the shill bidder know the high bid? >>
Me thinks you are playing dumb concerning shill bidders and more often the seller having multi accounts JUST for such shilling. >>
Methinks you're avoiding answering the question.
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<< <i>it really does not matter what or when you bid as a shill can snipe too. Running the price up in the last seconds. >>
When the shill wins the auction using this strategy, does he have to pay all the eBay fees? >>
Shills job is not to win but run the bid up when the seller knows the high bid and the shill runs the bid up 1 dollar below that. >>
How would the shill bidder know the high bid? >>
Me thinks you are playing dumb concerning shill bidders and more often the seller having multi accounts JUST for such shilling. >>
Methinks you're avoiding answering the question. >>
Maybe he doesn't want to give away any trade secrets.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I would never set a bid early
<< <i>I just auto load all the items I want to bid on later in the day, put in the max I would pay, and set the bid for 5 seconds before close. I then can lead a normal life and return whenever to see if I have to pay for anything.
I would never set a bid early >>
Agree that this is the best and most disciplined strategy.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Some people will place a token bid to mark the coins they're interested in as opposed to placing them on their "watch list".
Years ago people would go toe to toe right out the blocks on Day One. I never understood this logic because it seems to me that if I were
seriously interested in a coin, as a buyer, I would not bid at all (lay low) placing my highest bid as late as possible. Made sense to me as
I do not use a sniping program. Call it what you will but I just never felt comfortable giving my password out to entities I don't personally know.
Nowadays, many people employ such sniping programs. This tends to keep prices down till right before the very end of the listing which makes
a lot of sellers neurotic. As a seller, I don't sweat it because I've seen bids climb dramatically just within the final 3 seconds, when ALL the snipers
go off. As such, it's best just to list it, forget it & totally walk away.
Some bidders (like me) have to guess where the high bid actually is which in turn causes me to place multiple bids tracking the high bid down OR
to place one bid reflecting the most I am willing to pay & forgetting about it.
I also learned to NEVER place your highest bid EARLY because of the aforementioned - bidders tracking you down, thereby driving the true, albeit
hidden high bid higher till exposed. These bidders have interest in the listing but do not use snipers. This can be mis-read as shilling or helping to
push bids higher when in fact this is not the case at all. Again - these bids are generally placed by people that don't use snipers, trying to track
down the true high bid.
Then, of course, there are the shillers, using the Buddy System to actually drive bids up. It's Not at all wise to place your true highest bid in too
early, particularly if you really hope to win because people will run up your backside & push you right into that high bid.
This has been my observation of the past 6 1/2 years, FWIW. I hope it helps to shed some light on this topic. Of course, this is just MHO, FWIW.