EBAY #330385264080 Possible 8.5?

Mickey71 · December 10, 2009 8:07AM

I guess this is a tough card too. How in the world did this card end up in this holder and why is a PSA dealer selling it? That card should be sent to PSA to be regraded to the 4 it deserves or the 6 ST. I would not sell that card. We've all had cards that were over/under graded but that I think takes the cake.

jamesryanbell · December 10, 2009 8:11AM

PICS?

Mickey71 · December 10, 2009 8:44AM

If someone could link it that would be cool. Thanks.

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 9:00AM

Tough to answer this question when your item number is non existent.

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Steve

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 9:02AM

How about some hints?

What card is it? What grade is it in that you disagree with?

ummmm who is the seller?

Then maybe someone could find it.

Steve

Mickey71 · December 10, 2009 9:07AM

I'm sorry I was putting the PSA cert. EBAY# 330385264080.

KatsCards · December 10, 2009 9:10AM

KatsCards · December 10, 2009 9:11AM

Wow!! Look at that stain!

Brick · December 10, 2009 9:17AM

This card is being discussed across the street.

swartz1 · December 10, 2009 9:58AM

Buy the holder...

ymarea · December 10, 2009 10:13AM

As egregious as the Skowron is, it's not without precedent. Here is a card that I cracked out of a PSA 9 NQ holder (honest!), stain and all. I bought if off of eBay from a seller who, naturally, failed to scan the back or mention the stain in his listing. The stain looks considerably darker in person than it does in the scan.

thunderdan · December 10, 2009 10:16AM

I don't even want to know where that card has been prior to being slabbed. No way that is "natural"

otwcards · December 10, 2009 10:38AM

While it appears rather obvious, it does not exhibit on the reverse. It is possible that it is paper residue from the cutting process (although uncommon for the issue). I've seen cards, more often prewar or secondary company issues, that have the cut residue (extra paper typically from a moist/wet cut) that clings to the edge of the card and is easily removed without any damage to the card. Also, I've seen some examples graded quite highly even though they have the "hangers-on" clinging to their edges. It's something you find very often on very, very fresh T and M cards and I saw it on nearly half the M116 cards in the Philly Find I made in December 2002...

hammered · December 10, 2009 11:27AM

It looks like chipping of the top layer, exposing the darker cardboard underneath

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 12:26PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>That card should be sent to PSA to be regraded to the 4 it deserves or the 6 ST.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now that I have seen the card I'd like to mention that PSA generally gives out the ST

qualifier for wax stains and will net grade a card for other types of stains.

Why do you feel the card should be in a 4 holder Mickey?

I do agree 8 is sorta high for that card and I'd never call such a card NM/MNT, however, I could call that card

Near mint if I pulled it from a pack like that. I'd of course mention or show the stain to anyone that might be interested in it.

Calling that card a 4 is probably as bad as calling it an 8.

Did you say 4 because you feel the highest it should be is a 6 ST? If so the 2 point reduction is only for registry purposes.

In your travels through ebay how about showing us a card that is high end for the grade? That would be a nice change of pace.

Of course this is only my opinion based on experiences.

Steve

bigred1 · December 10, 2009 12:29PM

Sorry if I missed it somewhere in thread, but is possibly on the outside of holder itself?

corvette1340 · December 10, 2009 12:35PM

lol @ anyone that would take it out of the holder and resend to PSA because they think it should be a lower grade.

I'd sell it exactly as is and not feel bad about it at all. PSA has put it in an 8 holder. I'd put up high res. scans like I do all of my auctions and it would no doubt get the low end of VCP just like off center/poor examples of any other grade do.

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 12:43PM

Red no it is on the card. I've seen that type of stain before, it is almost an oily type stain, possibly

from the machines that cut the cards?

Tommy not sure if you understand but if the card was worth it some might do just that.

They would not crack it out and send it back but they would try and use the guarantee.

In that case one sends it back in the slab and PSA supposedly pays you the difference

Between what you paid and the new grade. Your way of doing it is fine too, only it passes

on a problem card to someone else.

I'm not saying they would do it for this specific card but for some, yes.

Steve

SidePocket · December 10, 2009 12:46PM

That makes me think the stain was "bleached" somehow and resurfaced after it was slabbed.

yankeeno7 · December 10, 2009 12:49PM

Anyone else think this is a crackout and replace? Though good FB, the edges of the holder is not shown.

Mickey71 · December 10, 2009 12:52PM

Steve,
To me that is a significant stain. It's in possibly 4 places. Top edge, bottom right, right edge and could possibly be on the back. While you are entitled to your opinion I believe there is also no way that the card could grade higher than a 5. I say again that those are significant stains in more than one area. I would grade a 4 or 5 if I was in a giving mood.

WinPitcher · December 10, 2009 1:08PM

I don't like the centering on that card and the stains while apparent are not as bad

as some are claiming either. Does it belong in an 8 holder? NO it does not. I wonder if some here if they owned it

would sell it as a 4?

Steve

Mickey71 · December 11, 2009 6:19AM

Steve,
I would not have even sent it in for grading to begin with. If I expected a 7 or 8 on stuff like that I should be sending in my entire collection for grading.

jeffcbay · December 11, 2009 6:25AM

They obviously cropped out the edge of the slab for a reason, it's a card swap.

WinPitcher · December 11, 2009 7:21AM

Mickey I did not imply that you would have sent it in for grading.

There are numerous other ways a card like that could wind up in a collection.

It could have been part of a trade, was part of a lot in which a person had to take it if he wanted the lot.

Was part of a team set in which you needed 9 other cards and had to take it too.

I could go on and on, with that said if it somehow came into your possession would you sell it as a 4?

If it was me I'd first look to see what the value is on that card in 8.

If I could get PSA to buy it back I'd try that. If that failed I'd prolly do what Tommy said I'd sell it

for whatever the market would bare as the 8 that it is.

I doubt very much if this card is a switcheroo, isn't a PSA authorized dealer selling it?

Steve

EBAY #330385264080 Possible 8.5?

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