Best Ike site?
Windycity
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What is the best website for Ike's? I have been on the Ike Group site and am having a hard time getting a listing of rarity by date, mm, clad, silver, etc. for peg leg and other varieties.
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Perhaps putting some of the hot or common varieties to the R-scale or something like that would have some value to Ike collectors? We have a lot of infomation that correlates to rarity, but I don't think we actually have it all compiled in any one place.
If you go through a 1,000 or 2,000 denver coins, you should get a pretty good feel.
1973-S Silver Proof, 1974-S Silver Proof, 1977-S Clad Proof and 1978-S Clad proofs are almost impossible as Peglegs but can be found with enough diligence, money and time.
Another scarce coin to look for is the Type 1 Mintmark on the Silver 1974-S Proof coin. Wiles states that less than 10,000 were made and these can prove to be very difficult to locate. The Mintmark changed in 1974 from what was on the 1973-S coins to what is common on the 1976-S coins. Find a 1974-S with the 1973-S mintmark and you'll have a keeper.
As for Website's?
The IKE Group's website is THE ONLY WEBSITE which can address your queries. You just need to ask them since published information is nearly non-existant! However, they are working on it.
The name is LEE!
Thanks, very helpful.
It's no secret that I'm writing a book on Ikes and I am planning to lay out as much collector-useful information as possible therein.
The problem is our research continues to unearth new Ike Varieties, significant Ike Varieties, and we continue to learn more about those already recognized.
Examples:
....There are two 1972(P) Type 2 Ikes, one was released in March-April (this is factual): Herb Hicks first noticed this Ike and was first to describe its reverse die crack, present on 60-75% of them. We date the second T-2 as August through strong circumstantial evidence. A formidable difficulty was identifying which T2 one had in hand in earlier die states (when the die crack is not present). Along comes John Roberts who had the opportunity to study a group of Herb's March T2's about 6 months ago and he discovers two obverse markers for the March T2 that are visible in all die states and even well circulated examples.
.... I've written two articles on the Ike peg legs, one on the '71-S silver peg legs that was published in THE NUMISMATIST ( LINK, and a shorter article that summarizes all the peg legs, published on our web site, LINK. Yet just recently we upgraded to fact that there are at least two different '71-S Silver Business Strike Fading Peg Legs, based on two different Mintmark placements and other findings.
In other words, the Ike Group has been so busy with basic research that we have not (yet) been able to provide the collecting community with the kind of organized and historically tested information one can find on Classic series like Morgans.
Another example: Brian Vaile in the past several months has received "Discover Coin" attribution on a half dozen new Ike RPM's and he has more to submit to John Bordner (early submissions have already been published in THE HUB), yet we're just beginning to study their prevalence and how best to photograph them.
Last example: most Ike collectors eventually discover the charm of Ike doubled dies. Both Wiles and Wexler published books in the late 1990's with their catalogs of these fascinating Ikes, yet too many collectors have abandoned the Ike DD's, just too many that are almost identical to each other; and, to make things worse, Wiles and Wexler went off in different directions.
The Ike Group made the first public presentation, at last year's August Baltimore ANA Convention, that a different approach to the Ike DD's could restore and even build collector interest: we proposed building a new catalog of "Collectible" Ike DD's that could be identified by 10X loupe and whose markers were stable through to survive most die states. We did not know then that Brian Allen was about to publish a bomb-shell possible revision to Wexler's catalog based on identifying the families of similar DD's that could reasonably be linked to a common up-line working hub or master die.
The problem here is whether one now throws out Wexler's catalog and replaces it with a handful of identified working hubs and master dies? Or does Wexler simply re-arrange his catalog by DD family and still include all the DD's that can be distinguished either by their pattern of doubling or stable markers? The former would enrage all of us who have vested interest in all the presently cataloged DD's and the latter doesn't solve the problem collectors face, an un manageable number of identified DD's to collect.
So, the Ike Group will persist with our concept of "Collectible Ike DD's" which we will identify through copious photos, exacting descriptions and concensus (ie, not the traditional "black box") based on our transparent Internet web site.
In other words, we are making progress but the study and subsequent cataloging of the many Ike Varieties is still in its infancy. The book I'm writing with the Ike Group will be a "First Edition" as the Ike Group is already into many new areas of research that will take time to settle into out on the "degree of certainty" scale.
Against this backdrop, Windycity, we appreciate your post as a reminder that we are writing for Ike collectors, not just the few who are drawn to the endless connected puzzles this interesting series continues to present. Rob
Questions about Ikes? Go to The IKE GROUP WEB SITE
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James Sego need's no claim to be an Ike expert ; he is one . He is the top Ike dealer in the country as well .
Keep pushing us, Windycity! We have identified several new VAM-like varieties (like the "Tiger Claw") based on having found several examples and have received questions and photos of a number of wierd features (bear-claw and slinky on upper reverse, "Bird dropings" on 71-S SB Ikes, "Adams Apple" or "Dog Tag" for a small wattle-like appendage off Ike's neck, on and on.
I like your indirect suggestion that we follow precedent provided by the VAM creators and hundreds of collectors since. Just a shame we don't have the kind of complete Mint records VA and M had for their die-tracking work. Rob
Questions about Ikes? Go to The IKE GROUP WEB SITE