1964-D Jefferson MS66... thought it would grade higher

Windycity · December 4, 2009 8:48AM

Here are pics of a 1964-D Jefferson. I went through 25+ original rolls and picked out best 5 coins and sent them to PCGS. Four graded MS65, one graded MS66. I was certain at least 3 would grade MS66 and a shot MS67... wrong again. PCGS is tough on Jefferson. (Needless to say, no FS coins).

Also a minor unlisted DDO.

19Lyds · December 4, 2009 8:51AM

I'm a little surprised.

AUandAG · December 4, 2009 8:53AM

The reverse two hits on the dome and the bigger hit above the window (2nd from left)
may be the culprets. Little nick in hair and strange rim from 9:00 to 12:00 on the obverse.

What's going on with the F in Five?

bob

PS: still a nice coin.

Windycity · December 4, 2009 9:04AM

There is a small nick on surface of the F of Five.

The other four coins are as mark free as this coin but this coin has a very strong strike and the others are average strike. That's how it's easy to see the DDO on this coin.

MORGANHUNTER2 · December 4, 2009 9:09AM

maybe the chatter on the jaw?

and the steps looked like a contractor came by and sawcut the steps for a expansion joints.

braddick · December 4, 2009 9:10AM

<< <i>I'm a little surprised. >>

Me too, why would you think it would have a shot at MS67?

Windycity · December 4, 2009 9:12AM

Maybe when you've looked at a 1000+ you get excited about a strong strike with very minimal nicks. Coin has brilliant luster which is not evident in the picture.

braddick · December 4, 2009 9:16AM

I know what you mean.

I can go through a few rolls of Morgan dollars- all really just MS62'ish/MS63 and then stumble upon that one that then looks like it is so superior to all the others, it just must be a true MS67.
Only, really it's MS65 but cloaked in a greater look because my eye has seen so many inferior coins.

As a stand-alone Jefferson, yours is attractive and worthy of the MS66 grade (nothing to sneeze at) but the hits on the steps and the left field reverse mark coupled with the various slight chatter keeps it out of the MS67 category, IMHO.

PCGS is tough on later date Jeffersons, it's not even funny.

WoodenJefferson · December 4, 2009 9:26AM

<< <i>maybe the chatter on the jaw?

and the steps looked like a contractor came by and sawcut the steps for a expansion joints. >>

This chatter that you mention is a relatively small area that did not strike-up, in other words, it is still the original planchet's surface. (cheek/steps)

cladking · December 4, 2009 9:38AM

It might be clean enough to go 67 but the strike is typically weak
on the obverse. There just doesn't seem to be enough metal on
the design to get crisp strikes on both sides except as a fluke.

FullStepJeffs · December 4, 2009 1:51PM

I'd have to agree with the others... it's a very nice coin, but has to many little areas on the coin that keep it in an MS66 grade IMHO.

And, I'm sure you know... an MS67 coin would have been moon money, but an MS66 coin is nothing to sneeze at.

I like the coin... congrats!

Steve

Type2 · December 4, 2009 2:01PM

<< <i>I know what you mean.

I can go through a few rolls of Morgan dollars- all really just MS62'ish/MS63 and then stumble upon that one that then looks like it is so superior to all the others, it just must be a true MS67.
Only, really it's MS65 but cloaked in a greater look because my eye has seen so many inferior coins.

As a stand-alone Jefferson, yours is attractive and worthy of the MS66 grade (nothing to sneeze at) but the hits on the steps and the left field reverse mark coupled with the various slight chatter keeps it out of the MS67 category, IMHO.

PCGS is tough on later date Jeffersons, it's not even funny. >>

No I know what you mean. I looked at 6 bags last Mo. $200.00 bags. And sent in 7 that I thought would go MS-65+ with Full steps and did not get one Full steps and I was tuff on them. But they dont like me any more I guess. I sent in one 1964-P I hope it come back MS-66 with Full steps will see. You have a Very nice Jefferson ther.

This is the one I sent in.

CHAMELEON · December 4, 2009 10:25PM

Looks like a 64/65 to me?

AJ2525 · December 5, 2009 3:57AM

Hello,

Much nicer than any of my '64 nickels.

If these disappoint you send them to me.

Cheers

Windycity · December 5, 2009 4:48AM

Nice 64... shot FS but likely a 65 at best.

tahoe98 · December 5, 2009 5:36AM

<< <i>I know what you mean.

I can go through a few rolls of Morgan dollars- all really just MS62'ish/MS63 and then stumble upon that one that then looks like it is so superior to all the others, it just must be a true MS67.
Only, really it's MS65 but cloaked in a greater look because my eye has seen so many inferior coins.

As a stand-alone Jefferson, yours is attractive and worthy of the MS66 grade (nothing to sneeze at) but the hits on the steps and the left field reverse mark coupled with the various slight chatter keeps it out of the MS67 category, IMHO.

PCGS is tough on later date Jeffersons, it's not even funny. >>

......yeah but at least there is no concern in the "red" department if it be copper, eh?

golfer72 · December 5, 2009 5:46AM

I dont know that top Jefferson nickle sure doesnt look like a very good strike to me. Very little hair detail. The one posted by Type 2 is much better.

1964-D Jefferson MS66... thought it would grade higher

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