Just for SCDHunter, post your favorite so-called dollar

tmot99 · November 14, 2009 2:52AM

This is just for you, SCDHunter. Let's see some so-called dollars! Which is your favorite?

Here is my favorite 3-piece set from the Columbian Expo. The only set of it's kind to my knowledge.

But this is a close second....

coinsarefun · November 14, 2009 3:14AM

A few of my favorites.............I like almost all of them

tmot99 · November 14, 2009 10:33AM

ttt

Barndog · November 14, 2009 10:35AM

these are my favorites

I have too many

InYHWHWeTrust · November 14, 2009 10:50AM

it's a tie for favorite...

AOEDAD · November 14, 2009 11:25AM

Six 1892 SCD set .. 4 highs plus 2 lows

tmot99 · November 14, 2009 12:36PM

That HK-220 LR is looking a lot more like a gilt low relief than a bronze low relief. What do you think, AOEDAD?

AOEDAD · November 14, 2009 12:47PM

Hello Tom !

I think the low relief is Brass ( listed as Bronze .. POP1 & only one on the Registry ) ..
but I don't work for NGC so what do I know !

AOEDAD · November 14, 2009 12:57PM

side note ... here is John Raymond's POP report

HK220 BZ, Eglit51A total 27
HK220a BZ (Low Relief) total 0
HK221 gt, Eglit51 total 10
HK222 AL, Eglit51 total 89
HK222a AL (Low Relief) total 7
HK220 WM (High Relief) total 2

tmot99 · November 15, 2009 2:53AM

Tom:

I have a gilt (I suppose could be brass) low relief but it is not certified. I bought it from ebay. The seller sold a second one just after. Mine was listed as the bronze, but was completely black. I could see yellow below, not bronze. I used Blue Ribbon to see if I could remove anything and some came off, but not enough to come up with any composition. With a little work, I was able to see a very definite yellow, but unfortunately, it is now uneven in coloring and totally ungradable. I would have called this gilt, but in that you think your original version is brass, we could be talking the same thing. It would explain the black surfaces on mine.

Tom

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 3:49AM

Tmot99, thanks for the thread!

Some great SCDs posted! Thanks everyone!

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 3:51AM

<< Hello Tom !

I think the low relief is Brass ( listed as Bronze .. POP1 & only one on the Registry ) ..
but I don't work for NGC so what do I know ! >>

Would this happen to be the same SCD you guys are discussing?

keets · November 15, 2009 4:01AM

are there any Low Relief silver or white metal examples known that you guys are aware of?? i have a Low Relief that's been polished which i think is silver.

tmot99 · November 15, 2009 5:48AM

<< 

<< Hello Tom !

I think the low relief is Brass ( listed as Bronze .. POP1 & only one on the Registry ) ..
but I don't work for NGC so what do I know ! >>

Would this happen to be the same SCD you guys are discussing?

>>

No, that looks like a normal high relief bronze. We are talking about the low relief.

<< are there any Low Relief silver or white metal examples known that you guys are aware of?? i have a Low Relief that's been polished which i think is silver. >>

Not that I know of. I've only heard of a couple of silver pieces. There are also some medallions that hung on watch fobs. One has the obverse of this medal in low relief, while others have the reverse in low relief.

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 6:00AM

<< 

<< 

<< Hello Tom !

I think the low relief is Brass ( listed as Bronze .. POP1 & only one on the Registry ) ..
but I don't work for NGC so what do I know ! >>

Would this happen to be the same SCD you guys are discussing?

>>

No, that looks like a normal high relief bronze. We are talking about the low relief. >>

>>

How can you tell the difference? (Stack's calls it a low relief in the description.)

tmot99 · November 15, 2009 6:14AM

The low relief has the devices that barely raise off the surface while the high relief has definite depth. The difference, especially once you've seen them in-hand, is huge.

Here are my aluminum High and Low. Look at the texture in the border under the stars. High relief has it, low relief doesn't. Same with my bronze pictured. The Stacks picture also posted, has texture.

tmot99 · November 15, 2009 6:29AM

I just took a couple of quick shots of my low relief gilt/brass. I think if you compare the low relief to the high relief, focusing on the outer ring with the stars, the low relief does not have a pattern below the stars and there is a beaded border that is not seen on the high relief. Aluminum and this gilt confirm that difference. I don't know if what has been called "bronze" in the past is actually this gilt/brass as AOEDAD's example has been listed. If so, I think that is not listed correctly as it certainly is not the same bronze as HK-220.

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 6:30AM

<< The low relief has the devices that barely raise off the surface while the high relief has definite depth. The difference, especially once you've seen them in-hand, is huge.

Here are my aluminum High and Low. Look at the texture in the border under the stars. High relief has it, low relief doesn't. Same with my bronze pictured. The Stacks picture also posted, has texture. >>

You're right. Stack's goofed on the description!

I see that a more prominent marker are the beads in the outer circle for the low relief.

tmot99 · November 15, 2009 6:34AM

<< 

<< The low relief has the devices that barely raise off the surface while the high relief has definite depth. The difference, especially once you've seen them in-hand, is huge.

Here are my aluminum High and Low. Look at the texture in the border under the stars. High relief has it, low relief doesn't. Same with my bronze pictured. The Stacks picture also posted, has texture. >>

You're right. Stack's goofed on the description!

I see that a more prominent marker are the beads in the outer circle for the low relief. >>

Beat ya' to it!

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 6:38AM

<< 

<< 

<< The low relief has the devices that barely raise off the surface while the high relief has definite depth. The difference, especially once you've seen them in-hand, is huge.

Here are my aluminum High and Low. Look at the texture in the border under the stars. High relief has it, low relief doesn't. Same with my bronze pictured. The Stacks picture also posted, has texture. >>

You're right. Stack's goofed on the description!

I see that a more prominent marker are the beads in the outer circle for the low relief. >>

Beat ya' to it!

>>

That you did!

But then again, it is just me, living up to my motto - A day late and a dollar short.

AOEDAD · November 15, 2009 7:46AM

Here is another HK-220 "Bronze" from NGC ..
Tom .. maybe you should have given them a copy of your SCD book.

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tmot99 · November 15, 2009 7:56AM

They DO have a copy! They'll also get a copy of the Columbian Expo book if I ever get around to completing it.

Edited to add that I see the problem! They have it listed as HT-220 not HK-220! How many mistakes on one holder?

keets · November 15, 2009 12:10PM

not very good pictures, i took them in a hurry and the "polishing" that a previous owner seemed to think was necessary causes some nasty glare!!! my weight is 17.3 grams which causes me to believe it's White Metal. do you have a listing for the low relief in that alloy??

AOEDAD · November 15, 2009 12:29PM

Here are John Raymond's notes on them - based upon a 25 year review of sales and auctions.

HK220-HK222: These pieces come in high and low relief. The high relief pieces are widely known to come in aluminum, gilt, and bronze, with the aluminum ones being the most common. They are quite attractive and are very often found in high grade. In high relief this piece is also known in silver, but is quite rare. Barry Friedman sold one on ebay a few years back. I have never handled one of these, but the picture of Barry FriedmanÕs piece on ebay was quite convincing. The sole high relief example in white metal that I recorded was from Charles Kirtley sale #154 lot#Y083 where it was described as "same(HK222) but white metal. AU-55 in box. Box is broken". In low relief this piece is found in aluminum, and is rarer than the high relief variety in aluminum. Low relief pieces also may exist in other metals and are extremely rare as such. When Tony Swicer sold his collection in 1992 he listed five pieces in five different metals that he described as being like HK220-222 but with "similar dies". I am guessing (but I am not sure so I did not list them)that what he meant by "similar dies" was that they were all of the low relief variety. The five that he sold were aluminum, gilt, bronze, silverplate, and silver. The 2nd edition of HK lists the bronze piece as HK220a. Lastly, it is possible that my tally of HK222 in low relief (HK222a in the new edition)is a bit on the low side due to the fact that a few of the low relief examples that I found may have been tallied with the high relief examples. Nevertheless there is still no doubt that the low relief variety is rarer than the high relief variety.

SCDHunter · November 15, 2009 12:37PM

<< not very good pictures, i took them in a hurry and the "polishing" that a previous owner seemed to think was necessary causes some nasty glare!!! my weight is 17.3 grams which causes me to believe it's White Metal. do you have a listing for the low relief in that alloy?? >>

Keets,

It looks to me that yours might be anodized.

tydye · November 15, 2009 12:41PM

My favorites are in general the circulated silver ones.

coindeuce · November 15, 2009 12:58PM

Aaron White may have been eccentric, but his principles would have served many today who are in financial distress for having trusted banks.

keets · November 15, 2009 1:11PM

not to get political, but i don't think the banks really screwed us. they just worked within the rules which our legislators put in place for them and then the herd mentality marched to the beat and hung themselves out to dry. the sadness is with those who watched out for what they were doing but got caught in the crunch anyway because the house of cards fell on top of them. back in the time when Aaron White cautioned everyone it was pretty much the same thing, though. bad rules/laws/oversught are the problem, not the institutions themselves.

BTW, i just sold my HK-829 and i hated to part with it.

Just for SCDHunter, post your favorite so-called dollar

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