1909-S VDB XF. Want to know if its real ????

Gerard · November 5, 2009 3:17PM

I dont know if its possible to determine if this 1909-S VDB is real from the pics
but I would appreciate your feedback. I plan on selling it and want to make
sure I am not selling a bill of goods.

Feel free to make an offer if it suits you.

Thankyou in advance for any help in this regards.

silverpop · November 5, 2009 3:23PM

Send it to a grading company to get it looked at they can tell you if it's a fake or real, but by photos it's hard to tell at least for me it is

soty27 · November 5, 2009 3:25PM

I am not the best copper person but my gues is no. I thought I read something the other day about the dot between the v and b should be centered, just a quick glance and yours is to the left. I could be wrong though any maybe it was supposed to be left.

mr1931S · November 5, 2009 3:49PM

It appears to have the wrong V.D.B. style to be a genuine SVDB.

ThePennyLady · November 5, 2009 4:05PM

The bar in the "B" in VDB should have an upward slant in a true S-VDB, and this one appears to be straight, so I agree it's it may not be real.

ocon4008 · November 5, 2009 4:08PM

It looks fake based on the pictures; the serifs are not parallel and the dot between the D and the B on the reverse matches the 1909 P VDB. Check out this thread.

Link

soty27 · November 5, 2009 4:42PM

<< <i>It looks fake based on the pictures; the serifs are not parallel and the dot between the D and the B on the reverse matches the 1909 P VDB. Check out this thread.

Link >>

Yup thats what I was refering to, the dot between the D and the B should be centered for the 1909-s v.d.b and to the left for the 1909 P. looking at yours I see it to the left, it would lead me to believe that the one you posted is in fact a 1909 P with an added S. I could be completly wrong as I am no copper expert but as charmy also pointed out there are other factors leading to the coin appearing to be fake.

Halfhunter06 · November 5, 2009 10:49PM

wrong VDB style (the period inbetwee D and B should be centered, this one is not.

ziggy29 · November 5, 2009 11:05PM

I wonder what percentage of raw SVDBs are actually authentic these days.

PrivateCoinCollector · November 5, 2009 11:06PM

Please provide a photo of the mint mark. All genuine 09-S VDBs have the die chip in the inside top loop of the S.

AUandAG · November 5, 2009 11:09PM

<< <i>I am not the best copper person but my gues is no. I thought I read something the other day about the dot between the v and b should be centered, just a quick glance and yours is to the left. I could be wrong though any maybe it was supposed to be left. >>

bob

UtahCoin · November 5, 2009 11:22PM

Here's a pic of a 09 S VDB in a PCGS XF40 holder. Note the position of the "." after the D (of the VDB) on the reverse

EagleEye · November 6, 2009 8:55AM

Fake. It looks like the mint mark is wrong too. It'd say false die counterfeit.

Rampage · November 6, 2009 9:00AM

Not genuine.

MrEureka · November 6, 2009 9:16AM

It'd say false die counterfeit.

That seems likely. There seems to be a loss of detail in the transfer process, most obvious on the obverse. If true, it's fortunate that they didn't use a real S-VDB as the master coin.

lkenefic · November 6, 2009 9:23AM

This is one reason why I got mine certified... peace of mind for me that I bought a real one and peace of mind that I'll be selling a real one when the time comes... L

GrumpyEd · November 6, 2009 9:35AM

Not a real S-VDB.

The wrong style VDB.
Look close at the MM, it might be a 1909-P VDB with an added S.

EagleEye · November 6, 2009 10:27AM

It looks like the fields are raised in the center, like the fake dies were concave.

MrEureka · November 6, 2009 10:32AM

It looks like the fields are raised in the center, like the fake dies were concave.

Good point. So what happened was, the counterfeiter made an obverse die by copying a 1909-S, and a reverse die by copying a 1909-VDB. And the piece we're looking at is, in effect, a transfer dies copy of two different coins.

GrumpyEd · November 6, 2009 10:51AM

<< <i>Good point. So what happened was, the counterfeiter made an obverse die by copying a 1909-S, and a reverse die by copying a 1909-VDB. And the piece we're looking at is, in effect, a transfer dies copy of two different coins. >>

That fits and it does have a sort of concave or flat look.

coinman420 · November 6, 2009 11:15AM

this one is worn but you can see the period is centered between D and B in the initials. yours seems to be a fake.

edited: forgot pic

1909-S VDB XF. Want to know if its real ????

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