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1822 B-2
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- Jim
<< <i>I wish I had one. Those are very tough. Great find!
You and me both.
That there is a piece of US history.
Beautiful look and would go perfectly in my collection if I had the loot.
Congrats on a sweet pick-up
<< <i>That there is a piece of US history. >>
My dumb question of the day: What makes this a piece of US History? I know that it's cool and rare...but what else is special about it?
Tom
It is believed that Scot first engraved 50 C. instead of 25 C. Once he realized this mistake, he tried to correct it by engraving the correct 25 over the 50, but he punched the 5 too low on the die, with the loop of the 5 in the dentils. He then moved the 5 punch into the proper position to correct this blunder.
Learning and understanding how the mint operated back in the day of hand punched dies and steam presses is our history...at least in the area of numismatics.
<< <i>It is believed that Scot first engraved 50 C. instead of 25 C. Once he realized this mistake, he tried to correct it by engraving the correct 25 over the 50, but he punched the 5 too low on the die, with the loop of the 5 in the dentils. He then moved the 5 punch into the proper position to correct this blunder. >>
I wonder why they didn't mint more of the variety...I mean, if Scot put all that work into fixing the mistake and all....
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<< <i>It is believed that Scot first engraved 50 C. instead of 25 C. Once he realized this mistake, he tried to correct it by engraving the correct 25 over the 50, but he punched the 5 too low on the die, with the loop of the 5 in the dentils. He then moved the 5 punch into the proper position to correct this blunder. >>
I wonder why they didn't mint more of the variety...I mean, if Scot put all that work into fixing the mistake and all.... >>
No one really knows, but this same reverse was used to strike more quarters with in 1828.
This is really cool stuff.
Mean while for those who have the time, here is a link to the article I wrote about this reverse die that was published in the JRJ.
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J Rocco is right on about the history. I actually went a tiny bit more in depth about it on my bust quarters with varieties set on the PCGS registry under sethwinegar where i listed the coin. If anyone is interested. I tried to write down as much about the coin as i could find. I'm sure Quarternut would know more about the coins history then i do. I did get all my info from his article. I Love that book by the way. It was my Chritmas present to myself last year.
<< <i>Wow, Rich Uhrich has a similar one for $17,500
The 1822 B-2 25/5/50 reverse die marriage is a rather rare animal. There have only been 18 different examples auctioned in the last 10 years in all grades combined. I spent many years looking for one before I stepped up and spent more than I should have for the VF-25 Reiver example.
<< <i>I'm sure Quarternut would know more about the coins history then i do >>
Yes, unfortunately I do know a bit about your coins history and I am sorry to say that it is not very good. (at least IMHO)
Here it is when it was last auctioned...and before it was "improved".
OBV
REV
SLAB
I will let you draw your own conclusions...
The main point is that no matter what condition you find one in, it should be sought after, as there are few to go around!
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edit to add:
here are the pics that Quarternut linked (resized):
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<< <i>+100!
I wouldn't mind if it did
I thought it looked fairly original, from the pics, course I haven't seen it in hand.
<< <i>When was the auction? Does anyone have a pedigree of the coin in question? What process would cause the surfaces of the coin to change like that. A little heat, a little water, a few chemicals? It looks like it has a natural growth of skin, but apparently it doesn't...so what could accelerate the process?
I thought it looked fairly original, from the pics, course I haven't seen it in hand. >>
Jan 3, 2007 http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=422&Lot_No=2878
<< <i>Wow....those are really the same 2 coins, huh? I'm wondering what the PCGS higher ups will have to say about this thread.... >>
The cleaning was apparently market acceptable to PCGS, and probably isn't as bad as the NCS image portrays.
<< <i>The cleaning was apparently market acceptable to PCGS, and probably isn't as bad as the NCS image portrays. >>
Sure, but the coin was certainly treated with something to give it a "natural appearance" before going into the PCGS holder.
<< <i>Wow....those are really the same 2 coins, huh? I'm wondering what the PCGS higher ups will have to say about this thread.... >>
Why should they have anything to say about the thread? Both companies routinely slab previously BBed (or as in this case, detail graded) coins on resubmission.
<< <i>I just recently got my hands on this lovely quarter and i though i would share it. I was hoping i would be able to see if anyone else has one to post and share. 1822 25/50 PCGS VG 10 bust quarter. Robert Scots great skeleton in the closet coin
Wow, that does look like natural patina. I wonder what kind of doctoring was done to get that look, and if such doctoring was stable? If I owned the coin, I would probably sent it back to PCGS under the grade guarantee if the price paid was a lot more than what the value was in the NCS cleaned holder.
<< <i>if such doctoring was stable >>
The spots on the reverse make me wonder the same thing.
<< <i>That is still one heck of a nice coin, and I wouldn't care much about the alleged retoning job, personally. The recoloration was done so professionally that it got past the PCGS graders, so kudos to whoever did the doctoring. (Will I get hung for saying that on here?) Regardless of what you think about the doctoring, try finding another one of these in F-12 details, cleaned, and you'll soon realize that you may never own an 1822 B-2 if you're too picky about an old cleaning. The Bust quarters are not a series for the lover of MS-69 DCAM modern proofs. >>
Agreed.
<< <i>That is still one heck of a nice coin, and I wouldn't care much about the alleged retoning job, personally. The recoloration was done so professionally that it got past the PCGS graders, so kudos to whoever did the doctoring. (Will I get hung for saying that on here?) Regardless of what you think about the doctoring, try finding another one of these in F-12 details, cleaned, and you'll soon realize that you may never own an 1822 B-2 if you're too picky about an old cleaning. The Bust quarters are not a series for the lover of MS-69 DCAM modern proofs. >>
Very well put and spot on in my opinion.
The intent here was not to dump on Seth's coin, but to point out the dangers of solely relying on a third party opinion. When that opinion is rendered it may be made without all of the facts. The best way to protect oneself from these kinds of things happening is to educate yourself on the series you collect and as always...buy the coin not the plastic...
Would I still like to own the coin in question...most certainly! It is a very rare coin. Price would only be the issue.
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