The new breed of slab termites returns...

Broadstruck · October 29, 2009 11:10AM

What kind of mental midget does this to a slab?

Bayard1908 · October 29, 2009 11:14AM

Pretty easy way to sanitize a stolen coin

droopyd · October 29, 2009 11:19AM

Of course, it's probably in an F15 slab. I don't see this a grading a full 20.

fcloud · October 29, 2009 11:24AM

Maybe it was over graded and he or she felt to protect the buying public the holder needed to be defaced to make sure no one would ever over pay because they could see the damaged slab.

Broadstruck · October 29, 2009 11:24AM

There was a low grade PCGS Barber half that was massacred in the same fashion posted here not so long ago.

I've never seen anything like this!

TomB · October 29, 2009 11:32AM

The seller has been trying to move this coin on ebay for a while. Additionally, I believe there is also a 1921 SLQ that has been treated in a similar manner.

TomB · October 29, 2009 11:34AM

One more thing, I think it might be likely that the coin was graded F12 or F15 as mentioned earlier because the spacing between the end of 1923-S and PCGS is slightly larger on the altered slab than on the VF20 shown as a sample image. Regardless, if a 1923-S does not have a full date then it is something I cannot embrace as a purchase.

ChrisRx · October 29, 2009 11:37AM

<< Pretty easy way to sanitize a stolen coin >>

Was thinking the same thing...

Ed1840 · October 29, 2009 6:12PM

<< Pretty easy way to sanitize a stolen coin >>

kryptonitecomics · October 29, 2009 9:56PM

Yep drilled out because the original submitter felt the coin was a VF20 but the coin came back a F15.......not fooling anyone

ksteelheader · October 29, 2009 10:14PM

New style holder.

PerryHall · October 29, 2009 10:19PM

Why not just crack it out because for all intents and purposes, this is now a raw coin.

messydesk · October 29, 2009 11:04PM

You don't need to remove the grade to sanitize stolen property, just the serial number. The grade was drilled out to deceive, plain and simple. If the seller fills the pits with water (perhaps with a little detergent to lower surface tension), he should be able to take a picture of the grade and show us just how on the level he is. I'll have to see if the barcode is readable. There was one like this quite a while ago that was being sold as a VG10 and was really a G6, I think.

Goldbully · October 29, 2009 11:10PM

messydesk · October 29, 2009 11:23PM

OK, this one gets a "

"

Upon further review, it looks like it could be a VF25. The PCGS guide shows F15 at 775, VF20 at 900, VF25 at 950, VF30 at 1050, VF35 at 1150. Drilling out a VF25 grade to make people think you're hiding a F15 or VF20 seems rather stupid.

19Lyds · October 30, 2009 4:07AM

<< What kind of mental midget does this to a slab? >>

The kind that wants you to actually believe you're getting something more than what you're common sense tell's you you'll get!

The kind that preys on the ignorant!

The kind that truely believes the coin is undergraded and wants you to believe it as well and pay an additional premium for it!

The kind that preys on the ignorant!

relicsncoins · October 30, 2009 4:21AM

Looks cleaned to me.

LindeDad · October 30, 2009 5:14AM

Is that really a VF coin?

rainbowcoins · October 30, 2009 5:23AM

Man that is one dumb midget...LOL

seanq · October 30, 2009 5:32AM

<< 

<< What kind of mental midget does this to a slab? >>

The kind that wants you to actually believe you're getting something more than what you're common sense tell's you you'll get!

The kind that preys on the ignorant!

The kind that truely believes the coin is undergraded and wants you to believe it as well and pay an additional premium for it!

The kind that preys on the ignorant! >>

The kind that thinks he found a loophole in the eBay policy on keyword spamming and selling slabbed coins.

Sean Reynolds

messydesk · October 30, 2009 6:16AM

Would we be having the discussion about this coin being VF25 if the holder wasn't drilled? Look closely at the barcodes I posted and at the barcode that remains on the holder. I'm guessing once upon a time someone (some combination of this seller and zero or more additional sellers) tried selling it as XF, then VF-XF, and is now just trying to get out from under it as a VF+. If I compare prices, a 23-S in PCGS F15 recently sold on Teletrade for $560 (including juice) and PCGS lists it at $775. Asking $770 for a VF25 that lists at $950 doesn't really sound all that unreasonable, as long as PCGS would reholder the coin. It's probably more or less in line with what the coin would fetch in an unmolested holder.

BECOKA · October 30, 2009 6:21AM

Maybe the original owner bought it as an AU/MS coin and was really pissed when it came back fine.

droopyd · October 30, 2009 6:31AM

<< Is that really a VF coin? >>

I don't think it is.

FEC · October 30, 2009 6:42AM

I think the bottom line is that there is a reason it was obscured. And that reason can only be two things that I can think of. Its stolen or the want to hide the grade. Now if it was stolen, it would have been enough to just hide the cert number. This person also crossed out the grade. And so it would appear that they want the grade is the reason for the alteration. And that would probably indicate it is lower grade than he is trying to sell it as.

Just too many red flags. I wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole.

sinin1 · October 30, 2009 12:20PM

I would want to see coin in person (and slab)

it looks like a problem coin to me

so is it an authentic slab? has it been split and reglued?

PawPaul · October 31, 2009 2:49AM

if stolen , it could simply be cracked out and resubmitted .

As for the grade - it has alot of detail , but is lacking the important full date.

I have seen worse in TPG VF holders

The new breed of slab termites returns...

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