WTH just happened here?

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:02PM

When I buy a new raw coin I like to photograph it, then soak it in acetone to remove any foreign bodies and oils so that it is pristine before going into my album. This coin was somehow ruined by the acetone and I want to know why!?? I have never had acetone effect one of my coins in this way before!

SilverEagles92 · October 20, 2009 12:04PM

Ruined?
My guess is that there was some type of haze or film on the surface of the coin, and the acetone removed it. What you have now is what was lying underneath.

drwstr123 · October 20, 2009 12:05PM

If the coin was re-browned, the acetone will wash some of it away.

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:07PM

<< Ruined?
My guess is that there was some type of haze or film on the surface of the coin, and the acetone removed it. What you have now is what was lying underneath. >>

It went from very attractive to very ugly. To me that is ruined. Coin this coin have been recolored somehow and my acetone ate it off?

smet · October 20, 2009 12:08PM

<< 

<< Ruined?
My guess is that there was some type of haze or film on the surface of the coin, and the acetone removed it. What you have now is what was lying underneath. >>

It went from very attractive to very ugly. To me that is ruined. Coin this coin have been recolored somehow and my acetone ate it off? >>

In short, yes.

Raybob15239 · October 20, 2009 12:08PM

I thought that acetone was bad for copper... I always heard that you should use olive oil....

AUandAG · October 20, 2009 12:10PM

You had altered surfaces and now they are still altered but closer to the real deal.

Did you feel any residue in the acetone after the soak? Would a coat of lacquer or
some other, been on the coin? Acetone should not have affected the coin like that
unless it had been coated or messed with in some fashion.

bob

PrivateCoinCollector · October 20, 2009 12:11PM

Acetone did not ruin your coin. It just removed what the last doctor put on it.

COALPORTER · October 20, 2009 12:18PM

The top coin look like it was painted with an airbrush. It does not look like a natural color copper would turn.

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 12:21PM

I think it actually looks beter
it is the way nature has intended it to be
Love it for what it is not for what it was!!!!!!!!!

eCoinquest · October 20, 2009 12:22PM

I can think of someone that would take it off your hands if you don't like it anymore. My pm function is on.

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:23PM

I applied some blue ribbon to it and it went back to the way it was for the most part. So that must be what was used. Its just coin doctoring plain and simple and its very dissapointing. I am asking the seller for a refund, but very hard to imagine they will agree.

zeebob · October 20, 2009 12:25PM

in the field in front of the bust, in the first photo, you can see a sort of residue that matches the brighter yellow pattern in the second photo. Just in front of the nose, you can see a dividing line.

I'd say soak it again in acetone and gently tease the surface with a WET Q-tip. The coin is currently ruined, so I think it wouldn't hurt, and it might help to see if there is still residue that can be removed.

I'm sorry this happened to you. I've never had acetone affect copper like this.

You might send it to NCS and ask them to comment. It might be educational.

19Lyds · October 20, 2009 12:26PM

<< I applied some blue ribbon to it and it went back to the way it was for the most part. So that must be what was used. Its just coin doctoring plain and simple and its very dissapointing. I am asking the seller for a refund, but very hard to imagine they will agree. >>

Especially after you messed with it.

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:34PM

Nothing I have done has altered the surface of this coin.

BlindedByEgo · October 20, 2009 12:36PM

I guess that you've just created a commercial for Blue Ribbon.

I'd love to see the post-Blue Ribbon reapplication results.

Have you thought about MS70 and then Blue Ribbon? I hear it creates a gorgeous blue-violet Mint paper-like toning.

Boom · October 20, 2009 12:41PM

<< Nothing I have done has altered the surface of this coin. >>

Oh, is that so?

Why then are you ranting about the obvious change since you dipped it and then admit to re-applying Blue Ribbon?

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:45PM

We are talking about the nature of these substances. Putting a coin in acetone certainly isnt "dipping it" in the numismatic sense. I dont need to tell you that acetone does not affect the metal of a coin, it only removes foreign substances. If I put MS70 or dipped it in jewel luster, then we are talking about altering the surface.

As for the the blue ribbon, its just a preservative, but it can give a coin the apperance of having color and luster that isnt really there. But, it is only on the surface and if I put it back in acetone it would be gone in seconds. The coin that I have now has the same surface as it did when I opened the envelope.

Boom · October 20, 2009 12:47PM

<< I applied some blue ribbon to it and it went back to the way it was for the most part. So that must be what was used. Its just coin doctoring plain and simple and its very dissapointing. I am asking the seller for a refund, but very hard to imagine they will agree. >>

BTW ... you been collecting long Hoss?

It's pretty much standard, across the board, regardless who the seller is,
once you remove any coin from it's original holder or tamper with the holder -
or the coin, in any way ... YOU OWN IT & all bets are OFF!

Boom · October 20, 2009 12:49PM

<< We are talking about the nature of these substances. Putting a coin in acetone certainly isnt "dipping it" in the numismatic sense. I dont need to tell you that acetone does not affect the metal of a coin, it only removes foreign substances. If I put MS70 or dipped it in jewel luster, then we are talking about altering the surface.

As for the the blue ribbon, its just a preservative, but it can give a coin the apperance of having color and luster that isnt really there. But, it is only on the surface and if I put it back in acetone it would be gone in seconds. The coin that I have now has the same surface as it did when I opened the envelope. >>

Dude - this is very incriminating. You do this to ANYBODY's coin - you OWN it!

InternetJunky · October 20, 2009 12:50PM

<< Nothing I have done has altered the surface of this coin. >>

If I sold you a coin that looked like picture #1 and you tried returning coin picture #2 I'd say you were crazy.

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:52PM

The coin was doctored before it got here and I will point it out to the seller and ask for a refund. But, I would not leave a negative feedback or anything if he refuses.

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:55PM

Here it is now.

Boom · October 20, 2009 12:57PM

Yeah! That justs looks exactly like the coin in your OP!

You been this way long or were you born this way?

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 12:58PM

what did you pay for this coin?????

You buy a coin,alter it by acetone dip, don't like the way it turned out, now want a refund

honesty is the best policy--contact the seller,tell him or her what you did and go on from there.....

What if the person you bought it from purchased it from someone else that way. Is the seller still responsible for it

Boom · October 20, 2009 12:59PM

So, ummm ... who's the seller?

FEC · October 20, 2009 12:59PM

<< Yeah! That justs looks exactly like the coin in your OP!

You been this way long or were you born this way? >>

Duh! Thats what I said all along. What point are you trying to make?

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 1:00PM

<< Here it is now.

>>

it doesn't look like the 1st picture

Dropdaflag · October 20, 2009 1:01PM

I give all my coins a quick bath in acetone. Most of the time no visible change occurs. Sometimes the coin actually looks better and sometimes worse. I know coins collect dust and oils over the years, so when the coin looks better I assume this was removed by the acetone. The worse coins, I assume, have on of the following occur. Older collectors in years gone by have oiled copper coins to protect them from tarnishing. This did not always work out for the best. Then there is the COIN DOCTOR who tries to hide the cleaning (Dipping, Scrubbing) he performed by re-toning and sometimes applying oils. I would say that coin was dipped, re-toned, and oiled IMHO.

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:01PM

<< what did you pay for this coin?????

You buy a coin,alter it by acetone dip, don't like the way it turned out, now want a refund

honesty is the best policy--contact the seller,tell him or her what you did and go on from there.....

What if the person you bought it from purchased it from someone else that way. Is the seller still responsible for it >>

I dont agree with your summarization of what I did to it. I exposed a doctoring job by treating it with acetone. I sent the seller the before and after pics and asked him for his thoughts about it. I am not going to give the guy a hard time. This was an ethics problem I have never encountered. I have never had a coin start changing colors when I put acetone on it before! So, the whole thing is kind of like unchartered territory. I paid $200 for it.

InternetJunky · October 20, 2009 1:02PM

<< Here it is now.

>>

Definitely doesn't look like the first image. There are now spots on the obverse and many scratches are revealed on the reverse. Also, the color is obviously wrong.

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 1:03PM

you doctored it by dipping in acetone

it is still not the same way you recieved it

kryptonitecomics · October 20, 2009 1:03PM

Once you dipped it in acetone the coin was yours....now that you put blue ribbon on it....the coin is 1000% yours and I wouldn't have the bal_s to ask for a refund after altering the coin regardless of what a previous owner may have done to it. Clearly you didn't notice anything out of the norm when you received the coin and you have to assume the seller may not have either.....Caveat emptor "Let the buyer beware"

Boom · October 20, 2009 1:03PM

What you exposed IS your blatant stupidity.

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 1:04PM

I like the way people talk about ripping coins or cherry picking.

When you gamble on raw coins you either rip or get ripped

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:07PM

<< What you exposed IS your blatant stupidity. >>

You are a jackass and I wish I could reach out and slap the S*#$ out of you. But, unfortunately that is one of the limitations of the internet.

291fifth · October 20, 2009 1:07PM

I suspect your coin had been treated with some chemical.

It seems there is always a reason why it is still raw.

Boom · October 20, 2009 1:08PM

Like I said - it's standard - across the board - regardless WHO the seller is ....

You tamper with the coin or it's holder - it loses it's IDENTITY and is now YOURS!

Come back when you want your next lesson now, ya hear!

*Spelling AND to add ...

You threatening me, Junior?

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:09PM

<< Once you dipped it in acetone the coin was yours....now that you put blue ribbon on it....the coin is 1000% yours and I wouldn't have the bal_s to ask for a refund after altering the coin regardless of what a previous owner may have done to it. Clearly you didn't notice anything out of the norm when you received the coin and you have to assume the seller may not have either.....Caveat emptor "Let the buyer beware" >>

I agree about the blue ribbon, I should have thought that through before I did it. But, not the acetone. If I had acetoned it only, I would be more adament about the refund. I can return it easily to the "after" state though by putting it back in acetone.

This coin will probably go in a dansco album and be forgotten about for a few years. You live you learn.

fcloud · October 20, 2009 1:10PM

I'm stepping on my soap box. "DON'T CLEAN YOUR COINS.' Now I am stepping back off the soap box.

You changed it from the way it was sold to you. It is yours.

Musky1011 · October 20, 2009 1:11PM

<< 

<< What you exposed IS your blatant stupidity. >>

You are a jackass and I wish I could reach out and slap the S*#$ out of you. But, unfortunately that is one of the limitations of the internet.

>>

assault charges would be pending

SUMORADA · October 20, 2009 1:19PM

You are a jackass and I wish I could reach out and slap the S*#$ out of you. But, unfortunately that is one of the limitations of the internet.

Soooo, lets see if I understand the situation....

you bought a coin decided to "fix it up" didn't like the results so you posted it on the forum,
then managed to "Doctor it up" so it resembles what you received in the beginning,
and now you want our sympathy and blessings..so that the seller will take a return and refund your $$$$..did I miss anything? ..........

Are you Freaking Stupid or what.......Hello,Hello.....hey !

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:22PM

<< You are a jackass and I wish I could reach out and slap the S*#$ out of you. But, unfortunately that is one of the limitations of the internet.

Soooo, lets see if I understand the situation....

you bought a coin decided to "fix it up" didn't like the results so you posted it on the forum,
then managed to "Doctor it up" so it resembles what you received in the beginning,
and now you want our sympathy and blessings..so that the seller will take a return and refund your $$$$..did I miss anything? ..........

Are you Freaking Stupid or what.......Hello,Hello.....hey ! >>

I dont want anything. I wanted to know peoples opinions about what caused the change. I am a big boy and I can afford it and I am not whining or threatening the seller. The stupid people are the ones who throw unprovoked personal insults on the internet when they would never behave so arrogantly and rudely in person.

RYK · October 20, 2009 1:24PM

I agree with Boom and others, at least to the extent that when you started messing with the coin, it was yours.

I liked the second picture (post-acetone), at least as much as the first image (pre-acetone). I do not like the look of the coin after you recolored it.

I am glad that I mostly play in the gold pool, where people rarely try to change the coins' appearances.

Boom · October 20, 2009 1:25PM

<< The stupid people are the ones who throw unprovoked personal insults on the internet when they would never behave so arrogantly and rudely in person. >>

Nice self-summation there Junior.

At least you're not in Denial

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:31PM

<< I agree with Boom and others, at least to the extent that when you started messing with the coin, it was yours.

I liked the second picture (post-acetone), at least as much as the first image (pre-acetone). I do not like the look of the coin after you recolored it.

I am glad that I mostly play in the gold pool, where people rarely try to change the coins' appearances.

>>

I can get it back to that second state real easily by resoaking it in acetone. Blue ribbon is not a coloring agent. Its just an oil based preservative.

But, I dont like this coin at all now. I want a nice UNC Red or RB for my first year type set and this coin is an abomination now.

MORGANHUNTER2 · October 20, 2009 1:32PM

<< 

<< You are a jackass and I wish I could reach out and slap the S*#$ out of you. But, unfortunately that is one of the limitations of the internet.

Soooo, lets see if I understand the situation....

you bought a coin decided to "fix it up" didn't like the results so you posted it on the forum,
then managed to "Doctor it up" so it resembles what you received in the beginning,
and now you want our sympathy and blessings..so that the seller will take a return and refund your $$$$..did I miss anything? ..........

Are you Freaking Stupid or what.......Hello,Hello.....hey ! >>

I dont want anything. I wanted to know peoples opinions about what caused the change. I am a big boy and I can afford it and I am not whining or threatening the seller. The stupid people are the ones who throw unprovoked personal insults on the internet when they would never behave so arrogantly and rudely in person. >>

I have to agree with Boom on this one junior- you F'd up when ya dipped it in acetone and you are an idiot- and if you want to be froggy with a dumbass comment about slapping the S**t out of anyone- c'mon down to my neck of the woods- I'll give you one shot- if ya miss I get 2, and I seldom miss.

Now go put the acetone and the Blue ribbon away and find something else to cry about.

Hope you realize that any coin you post now will be questionable in many eyes......

pheh · October 20, 2009 1:34PM

<< 

<< what did you pay for this coin?????

You buy a coin,alter it by acetone dip, don't like the way it turned out, now want a refund

honesty is the best policy--contact the seller,tell him or her what you did and go on from there.....

What if the person you bought it from purchased it from someone else that way. Is the seller still responsible for it >>

I dont agree with your summarization of what I did to it. I exposed a doctoring job by treating it with acetone. I sent the seller the before and after pics and asked him for his thoughts about it. I am not going to give the guy a hard time. This was an ethics problem I have never encountered. I have never had a coin start changing colors when I put acetone on it before! So, the whole thing is kind of like unchartered territory. I paid $200 for it. >>

What you just said here was an attack just as "unprovoked" as the ones which have been headed your way.

"I exposed a doctoring job by treating it with acetone." Pffft. You need a hell of a lot more evidence than 'acetone changed the color of my coin' before you start calling coins doctored and asking for refunds.

adamlaneus · October 20, 2009 1:34PM

Excellent, prescient title for this thread, don't you think?

kryptonitecomics · October 20, 2009 1:36PM

I am not going to say I haven't done it before but to date....I have never been burnt by a raw purchase becuase I know exactly what I am buying or pay so little it really doesn't matter. When it comes to copper, especially IHCs I would seriously caution you about purchasing raw coins....regardless of where you bought it. $200 for a raw IHC present the possibilities of a lot of down side with very little upside. You can purchase a graded example for that price...

1864 NGC MS62 sold for $149.50

FEC · October 20, 2009 1:37PM

<< 

<< 

<< what did you pay for this coin?????

You buy a coin,alter it by acetone dip, don't like the way it turned out, now want a refund

honesty is the best policy--contact the seller,tell him or her what you did and go on from there.....

What if the person you bought it from purchased it from someone else that way. Is the seller still responsible for it >>

I dont agree with your summarization of what I did to it. I exposed a doctoring job by treating it with acetone. I sent the seller the before and after pics and asked him for his thoughts about it. I am not going to give the guy a hard time. This was an ethics problem I have never encountered. I have never had a coin start changing colors when I put acetone on it before! So, the whole thing is kind of like unchartered territory. I paid $200 for it. >>

What you just said here was an attack just as "unprovoked" as the ones which have been headed your way.

"I exposed a doctoring job by treating it with acetone." Pffft. You need a hell of a lot more evidence than 'acetone changed the color of my coin' before you start calling coins doctored and asking for refunds. >>

To any person who thinks that soaking a coin in acetone is altering or doctoring a coin, you clearly do not know anything about acetone and are shooting from the lip. Acetone is good for your coins, use it often! You can soak a problem free coin in acetone for a year and it will come out in the same condition. There is no TPG in existence that will penalize you for using acetone on a coin.

WTH just happened here?

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