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AT LAST - NEW CHARMY TONED INDIAN CENTS Hot Off the Todd Photo Press!

ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭
Just got photos from Todd Pollock (www.bluccphotos.com) of some new purchases for my personal collection. I am so excited to add this new bunch to my set, but I'll just post a couple photos each day so I can drag out my delight in showing them to you all!

Here are two 1885 Indian cents I bought at the last Long Beach show. I haven't decided which one of these I should keep yet, so if you can ignore what holder they're in (especially you PCGS elitists!), and ignore the EEPS sticker, and simply judge the coins by themselves, please tell me which one you like best:

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Charmy Harker
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  • AhrensdadAhrensdad Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭
    Great coins. I like #2 better.
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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>So I automatically thought "if I tell her I like #one better, she will keep it ruining my chances of buying it, and then I said she will know what I am doing so maybe triple reverse pschology might work better" image >>



    That's a good one - hadn't thought about that angle! image
    Charmy Harker
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  • with all the stunning coins that go into your personal collection, I dont know how you have any inventory left to sell!
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭
    I wonder if the results would turn out differently if the TPGs weren't revealed...
  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭
    I'd keep bothimage

    john
  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder if the results would turn out differently if the TPGs weren't revealed... >>



    Possibly, but I am hoping you can put aside those slab prejudices just for a minute and judge your preference purely from the look of the COIN - that's how I choose coins for my personal collection - honestly, the holder really doesn't matter to me.
    Charmy Harker
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  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Possibly, but I am hoping you can put aside those slab prejudices just for a minute and judge your preference purely from the look of the COIN - that's how I choose coins for my personal collection - honestly, the holder really doesn't matter to me. >>

    I like the one on top personally. Actually I like 'em both. A heck of a lot nicer than my '85, even if mine is choice for the grade.... image
  • jhdflajhdfla Posts: 3,030 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>I wonder if the results would turn out differently if the TPGs weren't revealed... >>



    Possibly, but I am hoping you can put aside those slab prejudices just for a minute and judge your preference purely from the look of the COIN - that's how I choose coins for my personal collection - honestly, the holder really doesn't matter to me. >>




    Good point... I'm no expert on copper, but the RB designation on the second coin doesn't really seem to fit. Someone explain to me how this coin is a red brown...

    I'm guessing the hit on the cheek is the reason the second coin is a 64, it is minimal and not distracting at all on a 64 coin... if it were on a 65 I'd be a bit concerned. If both coins were displayed without the TPG or grade being revealed, I'd go with #1 only because of that. But both are great, I'd still keep both...
  • CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    Can we put the reverse of #2 onto the back of #1? Both great coins but I'm not a big fan of woodgrain on my coins.
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  • dbemikedbemike Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭
    #2

    Charmy, your "collection" should be called a hoardimage
  • Sorry, for the novice on the forums can you explain how the second one gets a RB and the first gets a BN? I just don't see it...
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  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    #2 regardless of any other perks
  • Love the color on #1, but love the strike on #2!
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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love your collection, Charmy!

    I just sent some of my Conders for Todd to photo. Hopefully, he can capture their character like he does your cents!
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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,629 ✭✭✭✭✭

    #2 is by far my favorite, Charmy.
    Jim

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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Sorry, for the novice on the forums can you explain how the second one gets a RB and the first gets a BN? I just don't see it...
    Dave >>



    You know, that's a good question and one that many here scratch our heads about. Technically, and in my opinion, they both should have a "BN" designation because there isn't a high enough percentage of red in either to qualify for an realistic RB designation. One explanation is that copper coins may start out with more red in them at the time they were certified, and then over time, tone darker red/brown (or, in this case deeper bluish). Another explanation is that sometimes TPGs may sway toward giving a toned coin like these an MS64 RB over an MS65 BN in the case of the PCGS coin, and vice versa in the case of the NGC coin - they sort of split the difference. But most often, coins toned like these do get a BN designation.
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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I love your collection, Charmy!

    I just sent some of my Conders for Todd to photo. Hopefully, he can capture their character like he does your cents! >>



    Thanks Cat - I do enjoy my collection too! And there's more to come!!!!

    Also, I'm sure you'll be very happy with Todd's photos - your coins really do have so much wonderful detail and character that I'll bet all that detail will just pop out of the photo with a 3-D effect! Btw, he does a fantastic job on all those plain ol' silver coins too. imageimage
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  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If I had to choose one over the other, I'd keep the second.

    The first looks fishy to my eye - between the N and the I in UNITED looks like a spot was removed and there is a crater on the reverse between the N and E of ONE that could be a planchet flaw but I've seen similar craters from spot removal efforts. The color might be related to hiding the effort, although overall it is pleasing. image
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  • al410al410 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭✭
    My eye says #2, and without those huge pics I bet in hand it is even more stunning.
    AL
  • They are both stunners, but I give the edge to #2.image
  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    It'd be interesting to see what these coins actually look like in hand...I guess I'd pick #2.
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  • ThePennyLadyThePennyLady Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It'd be interesting to see what these coins actually look like in hand...I guess I'd pick #2. >>



    They are really stunning in hand, the toning is more bright, especially the PCGS coin. Personally, I like the color of the NGC but, as others have said, I like the strike on the PCGS, so I'm still on the fence. Tomorrow I will post another date that I also have two of - fortunately for the "NGC challenged" folks, both are PCGS - and both are very pretty but they have completely different toning. So, stay tuned for chapter 2 tomorrow!
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wonder if the results would turn out differently if the TPGs weren't revealed... >>



    Not for me. I don't like the look of the reverse on #1.
  • I don't get a warn and fuzzy from either coin. The cheek looks a little rough on the first coin and the spotty blue toning on the reverse just doesn't do it for me. The second coin looks to have cleaner surfaces, but just doesn't have enough toning for my liking. I could care less about the holders but I agree that both coins should be in BN holders though buyers can look at both coins and determine how they feel about the designations so no biggy there.
  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beatiful coins and pictures! image
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  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice coins, both.

    I like the contrast on the reverse on #1. That would be my choice.

  • mustanggtmustanggt Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    More nice coins and pics Charmy...

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