Clad Quarter Reverse Type B Pictures (CPG TYPE H, CONECA RDV-008)
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I had a request for a clad type B picture and here are some already posted.
1970 S
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=734595&highlight_key=y&keyword1=
1969 D and 1970 D uncirculated
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=719664&highlight_key=y
1970 D circulated
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=627990&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1970
This reverse is very similiar to the silver type B of 1937-1964. One difference is that the tail feathers of the eagle now have centerlines added in relief similiar to the other clad quarters of this era. Another difference is that if you pinch the coin between the fingers (not recommended for proofs and BU), you can detect that the breast of the eagle is higher than on a normal clad. Clads are in lower relief than the old silver quarters. For silver quarters, you can draw your finger nail across the coin and feel it catch on the sharp wing field boundary.
These tests can not be interchanged. The two types of silver quarters feel like equal relief (it is the field that is lower on the type B's). The clads have the type M, which is also a sharp wing field boundary. Once you rule out type B, you can test for type M by feel, if so inclined.
These clad B's can be found on some 1968 S and all 1969 S, 1970 S, 1971 S and 1972 S.
They can also be found on a few 1969 D and a very few 1970 D, 1971 D and 1972D.
I have a feeling that there is very little interest in these at the monent as compared to the silver issues.
If you have any sympathy for my cause, please vote aye. Thank you.
edited to correct spelling of 'so'.
edited to add 1969 S (where are my proofreaders?)
1970 S
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=734595&highlight_key=y&keyword1=
1969 D and 1970 D uncirculated
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=719664&highlight_key=y
1970 D circulated
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=627990&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1970
This reverse is very similiar to the silver type B of 1937-1964. One difference is that the tail feathers of the eagle now have centerlines added in relief similiar to the other clad quarters of this era. Another difference is that if you pinch the coin between the fingers (not recommended for proofs and BU), you can detect that the breast of the eagle is higher than on a normal clad. Clads are in lower relief than the old silver quarters. For silver quarters, you can draw your finger nail across the coin and feel it catch on the sharp wing field boundary.
These tests can not be interchanged. The two types of silver quarters feel like equal relief (it is the field that is lower on the type B's). The clads have the type M, which is also a sharp wing field boundary. Once you rule out type B, you can test for type M by feel, if so inclined.
These clad B's can be found on some 1968 S and all 1969 S, 1970 S, 1971 S and 1972 S.
They can also be found on a few 1969 D and a very few 1970 D, 1971 D and 1972D.
I have a feeling that there is very little interest in these at the monent as compared to the silver issues.
If you have any sympathy for my cause, please vote aye. Thank you.
edited to correct spelling of 'so'.
edited to add 1969 S (where are my proofreaders?)
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'70-S
'69-D & '70-D
'70-D circ
ive been looking at these types of quarter for awhile and i see that
James Wiles over at Coneca made this information for quarter varieties
now im a picture type of searcher to compare other quarter to each other
Now the question is you guys use Type B's,C's, M's and he uses RDV-002 etc....
which type is for which number ? .. i suspect that Type B is for 002 & 008
can you either of yah give some insight of what you information you give and
what James Wiles has - i see that the 69D on the list doesnt even have a "X"
JamesWiles Link
Thanks Snowman
<<ive been looking at these types of quarter for awhile and i see that
James Wiles over at Coneca made this information for quarter varieties
now im a picture type of searcher to compare other quarter to each other
Now the question is you guys use Type B's,C's, M's and he uses RDV-002 etc....
which type is for which number ? .. i suspect that Type B is for 002 & 008
can you either of yah give some insight of what you information you give and
what James Wiles has - i see that the 69D on the list doesnt even have a "X">>
Wow, that is one fascinating link. This quarter expert didn't know it was there. That illustrates ALL the quarter varieties that I know of through 1972.
You are correct RDV-002 is the silver B and RDV-008 is the clad B. And the two were never mixed up.
RDV-007 is my type M. Those 3 are the major obvious unusual quarter varieties which you can even pick out by feel.
So far, I have detected so little interest in these clads, I have avoided much discussion on the minor ones.
The "X" stands for common. The clad B's all have "****" which stands for rare.
In my experience, if you can gather 125 1969 D's together, you should find 1 B. But to gather 125 1969 D's is quite a trick in itself these days.
A *** RDV-001 *** A *** I
B *** RDV-002 *** B *** IIa
C *** RDV-003 *** C *** IIIo a last minute add on but o stands for original
D *** RDV-004 *** C *** IIIa1
E *** RDV-005 *** C *** IIIa2
F *** RDV-006 *** C *** IIIb
G *** RDV-007 *** M *** IIIm another add on, but m stands for modified. Also appears as another "C" in forum lingo at times.
H *** RDV-008 *** B *** IIb
*** RDV-009 *** C *** IIIc all 1973-1974 issues
*** RDV-010 *** Bicentennial issue (1975) - 1976
*** RDV-011 *** C *** IVa starting in 1977
etc.
Roman numerals were used many years ago until Walter Breen reserved them for quarter obverses and used letters for reverses.
Strangely enough, he was the same guy that also changed my A, B and C Ike reverses to I, II and III. Go figure.
I have some updated data from Dr. Wiles. 1965 RDV-004, 1968S and 1969D RDV_005 and 1970D RDV-008 are now all confirmed.
So the four 4 1968 S designs were all part of the five 1969 D varieties.
edit: Latest CPG types have been added as the first column.
I'll certainly be hunting for them now.
Dr. James Wiles 2003 Baltimore Handout may be found on the net at:
http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/QuarterRDVHandout.pdf
This identifies all the varieties known from 1972-1972. Note he keeps referring to the Eagle's left wing, viewer's right.
Edit: Please disregard the following, I don't know what I was thinking:
But all his pictures show Eagle's right wing, viewer's left - so use those instead.
RDV005 mentions an incuse line. I think he means lack of an incuse line.
<< <i>This was supposed to be added to a different thread. But since it contains corrections to Dr. Wiles data that have not been previously mentioned, I will leave it be. Please excuse the resultant awkwardness.
Dr. James Wiles 2003 Baltimore Handout may be found on the net at:
http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/QuarterRDVHandout.pdf
This identifies all the varieties known from 1972-1972. Note he keeps referring to the Eagle's left wing, viewer's right. But all his pictures show Eagle's right wing, viewer's left - so use those instead.
RDV005 mentions an incuse line. I think he means lack of an incuse line. >>
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I hadn't noticed the summary at the bottom of this pdf file from your Link.
It really gives one a good idea of what to look for in the clads.
<< <i>This was supposed to be added to a different thread. But since it contains corrections to Dr. Wiles data that have not been previously mentioned, I will leave it be. Please excuse the resultant awkwardness.
Dr. James Wiles 2003 Baltimore Handout may be found on the net at:
http://hermes.csd.net/~coneca/content/QuarterRDVHandout.pdf
This identifies all the varieties known from 1972-1972. Note he keeps referring to the Eagle's left wing, viewer's right. But all his pictures show Eagle's right wing, viewer's left - so use those instead.
RDV005 mentions an incuse line. I think he means lack of an incuse line. >>
The copy I have shows both wings Herb.
The name is LEE!
<<Note he keeps referring to the Eagle's left wing, viewer's right. But all his pictures show Eagle's right wing, viewer's left - so use those instead.
RDV005 mentions an incuse line. I think he means lack of an incuse line. >>