Pristine MJ Fleer RC ~ $71,300.00 (still going up)!

majorflux · August 19, 2009 2:01AM

Check out this BGS 10 Pristine MJ fleer rc ...going for $56k+ as we speak

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370246905236

I was just thinking that would you or I actually trade away entire collection for a card like this ?

burke23 · August 19, 2009 2:05AM

Nice card - not worth anything close to that amount though - that's silly. I remember one of the first 9.5's selling for around $70K on ebay maybe a decade ago...ridiculous.

84Mattingly · August 19, 2009 2:09AM

I've been watching this for a couple of days. If I had that kind of money for one card, I would have a lot more fun buying the unopened boxes and trying to pull it myself. But that's just me...

eagles33 · August 19, 2009 2:10AM

sweet card. i don't think this is as nuts as the tiger woods si for kids going for 125k.. i still don't get how a card with perferated edges could grade so high

lsutigers1973 · August 19, 2009 2:15AM

This card was the topic of a thread a while back. The BGS card was originally in a PSA 10 holder. I doubt the pop report was adjusted to remove the PSA 10 from PSA's database.

Previous thread

bbcemporium · August 19, 2009 2:19AM

Maybe the seller can buy a new scanner with the small fortune he looks to make

larryallen73 · August 19, 2009 2:36AM

That is just STUPID. There are way too many unopened boxes out there which will cause supply of 10's to change.

If I had money burning a hole in my pocket I would look to vintage cards not a Jordan card like that. Simply stupid in my opinion.

Fools and their money....

CARDBOARDZOMBIE · August 19, 2009 2:46AM

"Maybe the seller can buy a new scanner with the small fortune he looks to make"

Exactly! How can someone even bid on a card like that with a totally crappy scan?

majorflux · August 19, 2009 2:50AM

<< "Maybe the seller can buy a new scanner with the small fortune he looks to make"

Exactly! How can someone even bid on a card like that with a totally crappy scan? >>

They only need to see ... B G S 1 0 ....the power of suggestion

slantycouch · August 19, 2009 2:53AM

<< I've been watching this for a couple of days. If I had that kind of money for one card, I would have a lot more fun buying the unopened boxes and trying to pull it myself. But that's just me... >>

And me...

corvette1340 · August 19, 2009 3:35AM

I agree with the price being absolutely ridiculous, but I'm betting that the person who ends up buying the card is not gonna suffer in the least financially. The money factor is all relative. However, it would be really funny if the person buying it only had $60K to his name, lol.

onefasttalon · August 19, 2009 3:40AM

... and EVERY winning bidder pays for what they win on Ebay too!

divecchia · August 19, 2009 3:41AM

<< 

<< "Maybe the seller can buy a new scanner with the small fortune he looks to make"

Exactly! How can someone even bid on a card like that with a totally crappy scan? >>

They only need to see ... B G S 1 0 ....the power of suggestion

>>

For me this would ring true if I were buying an 8 or a 9, but a 10 going for that kind of coin, I would not bid that high without a better scan or picture.

Donato

strangecreature · August 19, 2009 6:21AM

How is this card worth so much, when a psa 10 book value is only 5,400?

larryallen73 · August 19, 2009 6:37AM

How is this card worth so much, when a psa 10 book value is only 5,400?

I assume this is not an investment move but a registry move; i.e. who has the biggest d@#$.

WinPitcher · August 19, 2009 10:00AM

How so Larry? it is in a BGS slab NOT a PSA one. It would have to cross.

No guarantee of that happening and I doubt the buyer would crack it.

For all those saying that it is foolish to spend that type of coin on a card (me included)

I'd be the first to accept that jack if I was the seller of such a card.

Steve

majorflux · August 19, 2009 12:08PM

Now it's $60,100.00 51 bids ...incredible ....I mean the # of people who is willing to drop $50k+ to own this

hammered · August 19, 2009 12:28PM

Is it just me or are those edges rough?
Maybe the pic is intentionally blurry

ElToroLoco · August 19, 2009 12:57PM

This is one of the rarities out there(as of now). Someone with money will spend top dollar to own it.

EB22 · August 19, 2009 1:06PM

<< How is this card worth so much, when a psa 10 book value is only 5,400? >>

Gem Mint for BGS is 9.5, not a 10. PSA does not have a pristine grading system. Matter of fact, one of these Jordan BGS pristine 10's was once in a PSA 10 holder and the owner cracked it and sent to BGS and get a perfect 10, which is not Gem Mint, its a pristine 10.

A BGS "pristine" 10 will definetly cross to a PSA 10, but a PSA will not always cross to a BGS 10, it was just luck for that one seller. Not sure if this is the card of the story I heard some time ago. If there was a "pristine" grade for PSA, it would probably be PSA 11 or PSA 10.5

Hey, PSA came out with the .5 scale, so who knows, maybe they'll come out with the "Pristine" grading option one of these days??? That would be cool actually!

mcadams · August 19, 2009 1:08PM

I don't know guys, that is about as perfect as they come for that card. The only issue I see is the L/R centering on the BACK looks to be about 60/40. Other than that, wow! I do think 60k is a bit high, but don't see any problem with BGS 10 getting a big premium over where PSA 10's trade. My other comment regarding the earlier post about buying vintage instead- In 20 years, the collecting market will be dominated by people who were infants when Mantle died. The Mantle of their generation is Jordan. I realize the supply of 86 Fleer will continue to pressure prices as more 9s and 10's surface. But for cards like the one we're discussing that are considered the "best of the best" examples of the best athlete of a generation, how do you go wrong buying this card as a long-term investment?

ColleSystem · August 19, 2009 1:10PM

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Pre72 · August 19, 2009 1:34PM

It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ?

majorflux · August 19, 2009 1:35PM

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

If the MJ is auto rc then maybe ... otherwise Mantle all day

slantycouch · August 19, 2009 1:38PM

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

Seems like such a no brainer to me.

EB22 · August 19, 2009 1:49PM

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

I would rather have an ungraded 1952 Mantle Autographed Patch serial numbered to 100!

hammered · August 19, 2009 1:55PM

<< Other than that, wow! I do think 60k is a bit high, but don't see any problem with BGS 10 getting a big premium over where PSA 10's trade.

But for cards like the one we're discussing that are considered the "best of the best" examples of the best athlete of a generation, how do you go wrong buying this card as a long-term investment? >>

As far as long term potential, I'd bet it follows the same path as the SI Tiger previously mentioned.
Someone will end up paying $100K for a $10K card and that is fine but
for me, I'd rather have a PSA 10 in my collection - less likely to be trimmed.

dizzle · August 19, 2009 2:53PM

<< 

<< Other than that, wow! I do think 60k is a bit high, but don't see any problem with BGS 10 getting a big premium over where PSA 10's trade.

But for cards like the one we're discussing that are considered the "best of the best" examples of the best athlete of a generation, how do you go wrong buying this card as a long-term investment? >>

As far as long term potential, I'd bet it follows the same path as the SI Tiger previously mentioned.
Someone will end up paying $100K for a $10K card and that is fine but
for me, I'd rather have a PSA 10 in my collection - less likely to be trimmed. >>

Well if this card is trimmed it was trimmed when PSA graded it too... The card in question was bought at a show and taken directly to Beckett for a crossover it was not cracked and sent in raw..

Also this card sold for 150 grand the first time it was sold.. it was a pop 1 at the time now it's a pop 2 the sencond pristine was a SGC 98 crossover..

Beckett has graded over 23,000 1986 fleer cards and there's a 8 or 9 pristines so they are not just handing out 10's like some may suggest....

Would I pay that much for this card? Nope... But the person who does has alot more money than me and probally has no problem spending big money on alot of stuff that I wouldn't.. from food to the kind of wine they drink or the clothes on their back...

It's about as "foolish" as someone paying over 2 grand for a 1986 topps Nolan Ryan PSA 10..

Ahmanfan · August 19, 2009 4:00PM

<< 

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

Seems like such a no brainer to me. >>

I dunno, is it? I never saw Mantle play. They are both iconic cards, that dont go down much.
My friends would be much more impressed with the Jordan.
JOhn

Zixx · August 19, 2009 4:08PM

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

Where's the Corvette option?

frankhardy · August 19, 2009 10:32PM

I agree about the scanner. Those are terrible pictures. That is a pet peeve of mine.

jlzinck · August 19, 2009 10:56PM

El Oh El at the $30 for shipping.

bbcemporium · August 20, 2009 12:34AM

<< El Oh El at the $30 for shipping. >>

He probably has the insurance cost built into the shipping

larryallen73 · August 20, 2009 12:43AM

It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ?

I would take the Mantle and would not even hesitate on that choice. Of course I am in my 40's and the Mantle was always THE card. I just don't see this Jordan card ever getting like that. Most of us weren't alive when Honus Wagner played and it still gets big money. Plus there are so many unopened boxes out there.

Trevmo · August 20, 2009 12:48AM

I feel really bad for the guy who is paying 60+ for that card. Think about it this way, a 9 is really not THAT much worse condition and sells for about 59,500 cheaper than that Pristine 10. It's rediculous how much someone will pay for 1 grade higher.

Nice cash in for the seller but I feel really bad for that buyer because most of the hype on that card is from a magazine cover and it will be old news in a few weeks or so.

dizzle · August 20, 2009 1:48AM

<< I feel really bad for the guy who is paying 60+ for that card. Think about it this way, a 9 is really not THAT much worse condition and sells for about 59,500 cheaper than that Pristine 10. It's rediculous how much someone will pay for 1 grade higher.

Nice cash in for the seller but I feel really bad for that buyer because most of the hype on that card is from a magazine cover and it will be old news in a few weeks or so.

>>

The card was graded a couple years ago, The "magazine cover" is a couple years old as well..

slantycouch · August 20, 2009 1:55AM

<< 

<< 

<< It's way overpriced , what would you rather have , a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 8 or a Jordan BGS 10 ? >>

Seems like such a no brainer to me. >>

I dunno, is it? I never saw Mantle play. They are both iconic cards, that dont go down much.
My friends would be much more impressed with the Jordan.
JOhn >>

Absolutely is for me John, but that's certainly just my opinion. I'd much rather have the Mantle that doesn't have too many counterparts sitting out there in unopened 1986 Fleer boxes. I realize the rarity of a Pristine copy, but I still would imagine with all the unopened material around, there has to be a few more waiting to be submitted. Sure that's true of the Mantle too, but that card has stood the test of time.

Plus I'd much rather own an iconic baseball card than an iconic basketball card, just because I'm much more of a baseball fan. Personal bias.

Plus I don't care what my friends think.

WinPitcher · August 20, 2009 2:16AM

Don't feel sorry for the person paying for this card, he/she has that type of money for a reason.

It may seem foolish to many here but it may not seem so foolish to that person.

Steve

larryallen73 · August 20, 2009 2:39AM

Don't feel sorry for the person paying for this card, he/she has that type of money for a reason.

It may seem foolish to many here but it may not seem so foolish to that person.

Steve

No doubt. Plus think how many people think WE are foolish for spending what we do spend on graded pieces of cardboard! The buyer of this card is just more foolish!

jfkheat · August 20, 2009 3:15AM

It's over $70K now
James

jayhawke · August 20, 2009 4:23AM

I remember a guy about 10 years ago on ebay was buying every rookie from 1980-1993 in psa 10 ...he was paying crazy money. I don't think it panned out for him.

mtcards · August 20, 2009 5:04AM

Its all about who has the biggest %^#%#% in the chicken coop.

People pay 300k for new cars that probably dont ride any better than some of the 20k ones, but who is the lady leaving the nightclub with? Exactly, the guy with the biggest ^%#%#%$%!!!!

Stone193 · August 20, 2009 5:09AM

If ya go to the sale - there's an alternate scan. Still poor - in fact it appears that this isn't even a unanimous 10 - the surface is a 9.5?

I rarely, if ever, comment on this kind of stuff - I mean - everyone has a right to do what they want with their money...

But - WOW!

Something comes to mind - perhaps this person has more money than brains?

mike

jswieton · August 20, 2009 5:29AM

<< Its all about who has the biggest %^#%#% in the chicken coop.

People pay 300k for new cars that probably dont ride any better than some of the 20k ones, but who is the lady leaving the nightclub with? Exactly, the guy with the biggest ^%#%#%$%!!!! >>

lol: I am going to have to disagree with this one. I am pretty sure that 99% of girls out there have never been seduced because of a baseball card collection. I am also pretty sure that most of us, including myself, would probably initially hide the fact that I am an avid card collector when picking up a chick at the bar/club.

schr1st · August 20, 2009 5:59AM

And to think, there will be 4 more BGS 10's once the sheets up for sale in Legendary's auction get done...

billwaltonsbeard · August 20, 2009 6:01AM

9.5 for Surface??? Rip-off!

Mefer · August 20, 2009 6:07AM

While I personally would pass on this card even if I had the money, I don't feel I am in any position to pass judgment. If the ultimate buyer wants it for that price, so be it and to a degree, I can understand. Who amongst here has not paid crazy money (whatever that amount might be for each person) for a card we wanted?

dizzle · August 20, 2009 6:51AM

<< And to think, there will be 4 more BGS 10's once the sheets up for sale in Legendary's auction get done... >>

Maybe but there's a crapload of these sheets out there.. I'ver personally seen quite a few and there is only 2 BGS 10's available of this card. out of the 24,000 cards graded from this set there is only 8 pristines total..

I guess people aren't cutting their sheets right?

If you think modern sheet cuts don't get into PSA or SGC slabs you're fooling yourself.. many people have been succesful doing so as well as some older stuff too

tunahead08 · August 22, 2009 3:35PM

Back looks off center to me.

GOODLIEU · August 22, 2009 4:12PM

You would think a Pristine 10 has to be Tens all around in every sub grade category. How can it be perfect if it has a 9.5 anywhere?

Stone193 · August 22, 2009 4:14PM

7700$ BIN - a comparitive bargain.

Some things are just out of my comprehension - I guess?

mike

Pristine MJ Fleer RC ~ $71,300.00 (still going up)!

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