Is there any "Etiquette" practiced at Coin Shows or B&M's anymore?
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Just at the monthly Parsippany NJ show today and the crowd was good despite the bad weather, some decent finds,
However, my point of the post is........coin show "etiquette" is almost non-existant with this crowd, stubling and banging into each other in the aisles without an "excuse me"............
Additionally, while I was getting a price from a dealer on a transaction we were "interrupted" by at least two or more folks looking for prices on items to be sold, had to turn to one and say "you are NEXT", apparently they don't know what a "line" or "queue" is for.......
It's becoming a real "low-life" crowd, even the attire and smell from some of these customers AND dealers is hardly easy to handle.....
Anyone else experience this at any of the other shows???? I've seen this to a lesser extent at B&M's, but at those locations i've seen anxious customers offer to buy from customers selling to the dealer (while the deal is in progress) and the dealer telling those anxious customers afterwards NOT to do what they just did in their establishment.
To no avail, these slugs do the same thing over and over again.......
These are not the "classy" collectors or dealers I remember........
However, my point of the post is........coin show "etiquette" is almost non-existant with this crowd, stubling and banging into each other in the aisles without an "excuse me"............
Additionally, while I was getting a price from a dealer on a transaction we were "interrupted" by at least two or more folks looking for prices on items to be sold, had to turn to one and say "you are NEXT", apparently they don't know what a "line" or "queue" is for.......
It's becoming a real "low-life" crowd, even the attire and smell from some of these customers AND dealers is hardly easy to handle.....
Anyone else experience this at any of the other shows???? I've seen this to a lesser extent at B&M's, but at those locations i've seen anxious customers offer to buy from customers selling to the dealer (while the deal is in progress) and the dealer telling those anxious customers afterwards NOT to do what they just did in their establishment.
To no avail, these slugs do the same thing over and over again.......
These are not the "classy" collectors or dealers I remember........
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> To no avail, these slugs do the same thing over and over again.......
I'll just add it's not something happening only at coin shows. Every year there are more places where customer service is a thing of the past.
and it's not a unique experience.......
I personally hate when after a transaction, you naturally say "thank you" instead of the person making the sale, and they just respond with "uh huh".
I will be set up at Parsippany next month, right near the door. I will make sure that I shower first, and even shave. Hope to see you there.
Chris
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Many are fine upstanding individuals......
But there is a growing bunch that are not your "classy" players
One dealer actually had holes in his shirt.
Certainly, when it's crowded (which it has been for the past five or six years), it's harder to get down the aisles and when collectors are focused on what's in dealer cases, they're less likely to say "excuse me."
On the other hand, if we had people skills, we wouldn't be coin collectors
It is true, that the summer shows tend to be "more relaxed" than the busier shows in the rest of the year and the promoter has to work harder to fill up the tables.
If you really want to see the "classy" dealers and collectors, I highly recommend you attend the New York International show in January - it's certainly a dressier crowd - some dealers even wear ties!
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<< <i>One dealer actually had holes in his shirt. >>
Must be his golf shirt --- 18 holes!
> I personally hate when after a transaction, you naturally say "thank you" instead of the person making the sale, and they just respond with "uh huh".
Or they give you the infamous "not a problem"
<< <i>Every year there are more places where customer service is a thing of the past. >>
Rude customers are not a "customer service" issue unless you think that sellers can somehow make their customers act more politely, but choose not to.
Corrected to say New Jersey... even worse
"i've seen anxious customers offer to buy from customers selling to the dealer (while the deal is in progress) "
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What etiquette? I 've had this happen to me at the last New York ANA from a very high end well known buyer for a very large world coin firm. I had just negotiated a discount on a piece I wanted and He cut in front of me as I was holding the coin and offered the full price on the coin and the dealer broke his sale with me and sold it to him! The little guy doesn't have a chance, in the good old boy network. They don't have good press with me.
Krueger
<< <i>"i've seen anxious customers offer to buy from customers selling to the dealer (while the deal is in progress) "
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What etiquette? I 've had this happen to me at the last New York ANA from a very high end well known buyer for a very large world coin firm. I had just negotiated a discount on a piece I wanted and He cut in front of me as I was holding the coin and offered the full price on the coin and the dealer broke his sale with me and sold it to him! The little guy doesn't have a chance, in the good old boy network. They don't have good press with me.
Krueger >>
Who was this dealer and buyer? They should be exposed.
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<< <i>"i've seen anxious customers offer to buy from customers selling to the dealer (while the deal is in progress) "
<< <i>Text >>
What etiquette? I 've had this happen to me at the last New York ANA from a very high end well known buyer for a very large world coin firm. I had just negotiated a discount on a piece I wanted and He cut in front of me as I was holding the coin and offered the full price on the coin and the dealer broke his sale with me and sold it to him! The little guy doesn't have a chance, in the good old boy network. They don't have good press with me.
Krueger >>
That's outrageous. Since you had the coin in your hand, were you tempted to just stick it in your pocket, pay the agreed price and walk away?
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
I saw this happen once. The dealer was lucky it was not me. I wouldnt have have played that game at all.
I say out them too! Theres no need in treating anyone like that. Not only is the dealer a major jerk, the buyer is too!
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<< <i>Isn't Parsipheny in New York.... enough said
Corrected to say New Jersey... even worse >>
Oh you mean like "Right here's your etiquette", huh?
Might as well insult all those pesky N.J. and N.Y. buyers.
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I know of very few dealers, big or large who would have done the above. That is a rare individual indeed and not representative of dealers or collectors. But I do have a local shop that if you and the dealer commit on a coin, there is no guarantee he won't sell it to the next guy who walks in for 5% more. In fact during my first purchase from that shop about 2 years ago we agreed on a price for a wonderfully original A&R half in VF35 ($65). The coin was probably worth more like $125. I was to pick up the coin as soon as he settled up with the seller on a collection he purchased. Imagine my surprise when a good friend of mine mentioned to me at the following week's coin show that he had just purchased an A&R in orig VF for $70 from the same dealer. Yup, the dealer broke the agreement for another $5. The buyer didn't know the coin wasn't already taken. The general policy in this shop is if you don't walk out with it, you may not own it. Others have told me it happens routinely at this shop. So next time I walk out with coins in hand.
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Believe me, the clientele HAS CHANGED........
You always had your stinky customer, with poor clothing, etc. But never the dealers. Don't get me wrong. I'm not looking for suits and ties. Just normal guys with normal manners and take a shower BEFORE they set out for the show. Class is not about the clothes you wear or the bucks you may have, you can tell who doesnt have a clue.
I took a table at this show for a few random months about 2-3 years ago, there were all sorts of characters at this show. One poorly dressed stingy guy asked if we bought US Gold. We replied "Yes". He then reached down inside the front of his pants (croch level) and pulls out two Saints in PCGS holders. I wouldn't even touch the holders. Said "Thanks anyway".
Either a hidden pocket, or his underwear.
One nice thing about being a collector instead of a dealer - I can easily ignore the other collectors (except for shoving them aside in the aisles, of course!)
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<< <i>The new Ontario California show amazed me, no old stinky dudes and friendly dealers, the world must be ending soon. >>
I hope I was one of those friendly dealers! Good people DEI
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<< <i>The last MSNS show I attended in Detroit last year had it's share of stanky collectors. For the most part everybody was at least civil, but you just had to hold your nose around some of the make your eyes water types. It becomes glaringly obvious that there is a base strata of humanity that doesn't bathe and or notice that they have acquisitioned rank odours. >>
I know it's disgusting isn't it, to be honest if I wasn't so polite I'd be very tempted to actually tell them, "Hey you! Get a bath! You're making some of these coins acquire toning..."
<< <i>On the other hand, if we had people skills, we wouldn't be coin collectors
I resemble that remark!
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I was down in central Virginia last week and there were some pretty seedy stinky people there too.......just shopping, not at a show....
Had to look and see if they actually had shoes on......they did....whew.....
This is not about suits, stuffed shirts, high class society.....
Just common manners........common people, common manners........
Just look around when you go out to eat at even a middle of the road chain restaurant, you would think these folks are cutting down a tree with the knife, they have a strangle hold on the fork, let's face it - anyone that comes from a family that CARES about how they are viewed by others - learns how to eat properly, take a bath, say please and thank you, excuse me, stand in line, wait your turn, etc.......
<< <i>Just look around when you go out to eat at even a middle of the road chain restaurant, you would think these folks are cutting down a tree with the knife, they have a strangle hold on the fork, let's face it - anyone that comes from a family that CARES about how they are viewed by others - learns how to eat properly, take a bath, say please and thank you, excuse me, stand in line, wait your turn, etc....... >>
Your expectation of other people seems to be way too high. Yes; common courtesy and respect are indeed important. But critiquing others by superficial qualities such as how they smell, how they hold a fork, etc. is getting a bit too nit-picky, IMHO. Life's a whole lot more enjoyable when you're not spending every waking moment obsessing over this kind of stuff... lighten up a little
<< <i>I don't know there Herb -
I was down in central Virginia last week and there were some pretty seedy stinky people there too.......just shopping, not at a show....
Had to look and see if they actually had shoes on......they did....whew..... >>
As someone who resides in central Virginia I have to take issue with this remark. We almost always wear shoes here and almost always cover our stink with a good helping of Brut.
<< <i>Your expectation of other people seems to be way too high. Yes; common courtesy and respect are indeed important. But critiquing others by superficial qualities such as how they smell, how they hold a fork, etc. is getting a bit too nit-picky, IMHO. Life's a whole lot more enjoyable when you're not spending every waking moment obsessing over this kind of stuff... lighten up a little
Durn tootin, thase youngin's just don'ts has no fetchin' up thase days.
this is not about "lightening up"; it's an honest conversation about how simple hygiene and etiquette is completely ignored by some folks........
take a bath, hold your fork correctly, don't saw your steak, and you'll appear like you are part of civilized society--- not like you live in a mud hut and have absolutely no manners.