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Guess the grade of my new indian, grade posted

bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
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Just picked this one up. What do y'all think?
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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    45

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  • tombrtombr Posts: 863 ✭✭
    I say 45 too. Nice even color to it. That's a pattern, isn't it?
  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU55


    Hoard the keys.
  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭
    solid 50
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  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
    Quick eye Tom. It's J-211.
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  • Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    211 is a robery in progress strong arm is with a gun or just 211. image


    Hoard the keys.
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    Gotta be a counterfeit, no indians made until 1859, right??image
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭
    OBV 55-58 /// REV 55

    55 Final Answer.

    Must look good with the two other 1858 FE's you have in 58.

    BTW - went to the SDB's - image

    Edit: Will - we'll wrestle it out of his hands soon enough...image

    ReEdit: On second thought - with a concealed gun permit - maybe we'll
    forget about wrestling that out of his hands...image
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  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭


    << <i>211 is a robery in progress strong arm is with a gun or just 211. image >>


    I am thinking about going to a gun show tommorrow. Most likely to just look and pick up some ammo.
    You learn something new every day.
    BarberSet
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    Hey Brandon, that is a funny looking Barber.
    Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭
    Don't worry Mike, Brandon seems to miss an awful lot of deer with a scope, he'd have no chance chasing me down with that pattern in hand.image
    Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
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  • jmj3esqjmj3esq Posts: 5,421 ✭
    Almost impossible to tell from your pics, but if I had to guess.....AU50.
  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
    Nobody is on the grade yet, keep guessing and quit making fun of the ones that got away.
    BarberSet
  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Almost impossible to tell from your pics, but if I had to guess.....AU50. >>


    My brother was talking about his superb abilities to take photos, so I let him take them.
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  • LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    My first thought was 40, i'll stick with that.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,888 ✭✭✭✭✭
    53, I reckon.

    I remember somebody cherrypicking one out of a bulk lot of Indians, once. Crazy, huh. Not necessarily this particular type but definitely one of the early IHC patterns that were quite close to the adopted design.

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  • RayboRaybo Posts: 5,341 ✭✭✭✭✭
    35
  • yellowkidyellowkid Posts: 5,486 ✭


    << <i>AU55 >>

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,311 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice! AU53? I hope they didn't 9x it due to the whangus above the 2nd feather.
    John
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU-58, just because no one said it yet. Looks XF-45, though.

    Wait... it's a proof right? PR-53
  • sweetwillietsweetwilliet Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭


    << <i>AU-58, just because no one said it yet. Looks XF-45, though.

    Wait... it's a proof right? PR-53 >>



    Wait for the grade to be posted soon, I thought that as well.
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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,427 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ima guess 45 to 50.
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  • bfjohnsonbfjohnson Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
    And the grade is AU53. Should it be Proof 53 or not?
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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmm, good question - are all patterns Proofs or not? I recall reading somewhere that there were sets of 1858 pattern cents sold by the mint to collectors about the time of issue (QD Bowers had purchased them from some from old collections) - so maybe these were business strikes, but not used for regular issue coinage?
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  • dohdoh Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭
    Wow, cool pattern...I'd say 55
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  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,003 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hmm, good question - are all patterns Proofs or not? I recall reading somewhere that there were sets of 1858 pattern cents sold by the mint to collectors about the time of issue (QD Bowers had purchased them from some from old collections) - so maybe these were business strikes, but not used for regular issue coinage? >>


    I'm pretty sure I've seen some pattern IHC which had MS designations. Depends on how they were struck I guess. Need a pattern expert to chime in or Rick Snow.
  • SamByrdSamByrd Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭✭
    my response would of been xf45 due to the reverse, it a cool pattern to see.
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most 1858 Patterns are graded PR, but there are some that don't make it. These are called MS. The 1859 "Rev of 1860" J-228 is typically found in the MS format.

    Circulated patterns are cool. I wonder if it was actually spent or was a pocket piece.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,888 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And the grade is AU53. >>



    Damn, I'm good. Nailed it. image

    I didn't type an "AU" or "PR" prefix in front of it, but I meant AU53, because I was thinking of how much the detail compared to an 1860 PCGS AU53 cent I once owned.

    Actually, Indian cents are one series I am relatively comfortable in grading. At least they do not make me queasy and unsure of myself like Washington quarters, Franklin halves, Peace dollars, or Indian gold do.

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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Don't worry Mike, Brandon seems to miss an awful lot of deer with a scope, he'd have no chance chasing me down with that pattern in hand.image >>



    The IHC pattern was also struck in MS - not just PR.
    I have always thought the MS were mostly die trails
    and the PR's were collector coins.

    Nice 53 - look forward to examining it in person next week.

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