I would take Pujols and his cards everytime. Arod would have some nice rookies if it wasn't for his beef with Topps because he didn't want to be in the 93 Team USA Topps Traded set.
it wouldn't be a good idea to "invest" in either of them...one is already a cheat and the other well it's only a matter of time. Invest in something you actually like or something without a cloud of smoke around it...
I would not "invest" in either. It's a crapshoot. I think there isn't much more upside to either of their rookie cards. To me their cards are way over-priced already.
By the way where is Fanatical? I can't believe that neither he nor his alts have posted on this thread today.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Pujols for sure! A-Roid is so over-rated it's not even funny. I hate the Yankees and I hate A-Roid and Jeter. Remember, A-Roid was already in the scope for steroids. Pujols is pure talent and hard work. A-Roid is just one of the Yankees and that's where all his popularity comes from. If he played for the Marlins or the Nationals, would anyone still like him as much? I think not.
Also, it's pretty sad that they bought all those high name players for this season and they aren't doing that good at all. Spend all the money you want but that's not gonna win a World Series!
Collecting Ozzie Smith PSA 10's, 1949 Bowman PSA 5's, and 1949 Bowman PCL'S in any grade!
<< <i>Pujols for sure! A-Roid is so over-rated it's not even funny. I hate the Yankees and I hate A-Roid and Jeter. Remember, A-Roid was already in the scope for steroids. Pujols is pure talent and hard work. A-Roid is just one of the Yankees and that's where all his popularity comes from. If he played for the Marlins or the Nationals, would anyone still like him as much? I think not.
Also, it's pretty sad that they bought all those high name players for this season and they aren't doing that good at all. Spend all the money you want but that's not gonna win a World Series! >>
Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers.
<< <i> Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice.....
I woudl seriously be shocked if Pujols wasn't on HGH. Shocked. His trainer from the days before he was drafted is the guy who supplied Jason Grimsley with HGH. Plus have you seen Pujols' massive melon?
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>I woudl seriously be shocked if Pujols wasn't on HGH. Shocked. His trainer from the days before he was drafted is the guy who supplied Jason Grimsley with HGH. Plus have you seen Pujols' massive melon? >>
<<A Myth Debunked; or Another Reason to Believe in Pujols
Since I am tired of seeing the ignorance of some, I feel the need to clear something up:
With the dark side of baseball still coming to light, the game and some of its hallowed records have been tainted, including Maris' record broken in 1998, a season and an epic homerun chase often credited with helping save the game from the after-effects of the 1994 strike. Some might say that baseball is in need of saving again. Because of the prevalence of steroid use in years past, and the ongoing revelation of this use, many of today's stars that have played through even a part of the Steroid Era will be targets of speculation. Not least among these is Albert Pujols. With the fall of A-Rod, Pujols has become, for many, the next in line to bring baseball out of the Steroid Era. These people believe in Pujols, and look to him to "reclaim" the Homerun Crown from "B*nds." There are others, though, that are just waiting for him to be revealed as the next big name to have juiced. Most of these people, convinced of his guilt, base their speculation on little more than the fact he can hit. Only one "fact" has been put forth that could cast doubt on El Hombre. Perhaps you have heard the name Chris Mihlfeld. He has been Pujols' strength trainer since the slugger was playing for Maple Woods Community College in KC. And in June 2006, Mihlfeld's name, and thus, Pujols' name, suddenly came front and center in the investigation of steroid use in baseball. It's time to set the record straight about Mihlfeld.
It started with a report from the online sports site "Deadspin." At the time, one of the big stories was Jason Grimsley, an Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher that admitted to using performance enhancing drugs and gave investigators the names of other players that had also used PEDs. He also named a "personal fitness trainer" that "once referred him to an amphetamine source." From his statements came an affidavit. The affidavit initially hit the media with the names blacked out, and on June 8, Deadspin published a report claiming to have a source that knew some of those names. One of those was supposedly the name of that trainer, and in the report Deadspin named Chris Mihlfeld.
Naturally, other media outlets picked up the story and ran with it. Keith Olbermann did a particularly scathing piece on Mihlfeld the following day on his show "Countdown" (the piece appears about midway down the page on the link given). Mihlfeld, meanwhile, vehemently denied the report and defended himself and Pujols, even stating that Grimsley, and Grimsley's lawyers, told him he was not named in the affadavit. The denials did nothing to dissuade the masses.
Obviously, the news was huge, but what it seems Deadspin, Olbermann, and the others in the media failed to do was check the source and actually confirm the information given. Fast forward to October 1 of the same year. The LA Times published an article that essentially shredded the claim that Mihlfeld was named in the Grimsley affidavit. The report got a few things wrong, but it was dead on about Mihlfeld. He was not named in the affidavit. What name did they reveal as the trainer mentioned by Grimsley? Brian McNamee. Yes, the same Brian McNamee currently embroiled in the Roger Clemens debacle. The same Brian McNamee that has admitted to injecting Clemens and others with steroids. Brian McNamee, not Chris Mihlfeld.
The day after the LA Times article, Deadspin issued an apology to Mihlfeld.
When the Grimsley affidavit was unsealed by the court in December, Mihlfeld was unequivocally vindicated, as there was no mention of his name anywhere in the document. Unfortunately, the damage had already been done, and to this day, it seems, Mihlfeld is still dogged by the accusation. I see it frequently here. Usually by people that don't know what they are talking about. But, once or twice, I've seen normally well-informed members of FN propagate the erroneous report. It's false, people.
Which brings me back to Pujols. I realize there will be those that will always have their suspicions. I can't change that. But let it be clear now that those suspicions are merely that--suspicions. There is no factual basis for any of them. The solitary "fact" that could have cast doubt on whether Pujols is clean has been debunked. The suspicions that remain are nothing but baseless conjecture. So, if you are one of those people that believes baseball needs a some sort of hero to bring baseball out of the Steroid Era, Albert Pujols is as good as any.>>
<< <i> Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice..... >>
It makes sense IF he has been taking them all along, including before breaking into the bigs, that certainly would explain the consistency. I'm not accusing him, I'm just saying that I have doubts about him and everybody else after all that's come out the last few years. So many of the superstars getting busted has cast a dark cloud over the whole sport, in my opinion.
Over time, the truth will be known, and I sincerely hope all his amazing production is from talent and not juice.
"but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice..... "
Or 9+ years of juice like Sosa, McGwire, Raffy, Arod, Manny ... I don't get your logic here.
I don't have any reason to suspect Pujols, but I didn't really expect players like Palmeiro and Manny to be juicing either. I hope he's clean - that would really be hard for MLB if someone take him (or Jeter or Griffey) went down. I think most people knew Sosa, Bonds, Mac, etc were cheating as you could watch their heads grow bigger each month, and most people weren't too surprised/cared about Raffy, Arod and Manny for one reason or another (such as Raffy got overlooked/passed in the PED #s [and he played for the O's], Arod is basically hated by everyone including Yanks fans, etc), but Pujols and Jeter appear to be closer to the 'soul' of MLB in my opinion. I guess I see it as what would happen to the PGA if Woods cheated.
<<Yeah, 51 wins and 36 losses is horrible. That only projects to 95 wins for the year. You now have the dumbest post of 2009 so far.>>
Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team!
Collecting Ozzie Smith PSA 10's, 1949 Bowman PSA 5's, and 1949 Bowman PCL'S in any grade!
In my opinion Pujols is under suspicion just as much as the rest of the players from this era. I hope that he has not used performance enhancing drugs, but it wouldn't surprise me if he has.
<< <i><<Yeah, 51 wins and 36 losses is horrible. That only projects to 95 wins for the year. You now have the dumbest post of 2009 so far.>>
Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team! >>
The Yankees have the 3rd best record in all of baseball. And that's without their best player for basically the first 2 months of the season.
As for Torre, how did they do without him? They won 89 games, more than the team Torre went to. Torre's incredible managing acumen, and the late season addition of Manny Ramirez (who played maybe the best half-season of baseball in my lifetime), resulted in a stunning improvement of a whole *2* games for the Dodgers over 2007.
did not read the thread, but is there any question that Pujols is better at every possible turn? Not only as a ball player but as a human being. I am no Pujols fan, but the guy does nothing but deliver (even in the clutch) and is not doing dumb stuff off the field.
<< <i> Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice..... >>
After Palmiero was busted for steroid use, I don't think you can dismiss anyone from scrutiny and suspicion. Palmiero wasn't huge, just average size. He was extremely consistant for more than a decade and never put up huge numbers in any one season. So I don't think you can use consistancy as proof that Pujols is clean.
I agree REXVOS, Pujols is just a better all-around person. Better player on the field and better person off the field. I guess people don't like when you state facts about there favorite players. They take offense to it!
Collecting Ozzie Smith PSA 10's, 1949 Bowman PSA 5's, and 1949 Bowman PCL'S in any grade!
It is just so sad that we can never look at any player with big home run numbers without suspicion. If someone puts up Hank Greenberg or Jimmie Foxx numbers the thought is that they must be doing something illegal. It couldn't be that they might just be the Greenberg or Foxx of their generation. I have no idea about Albert Pujols, but since no player has ever ratted him out for steroids and nobody has ever produced any facts that he is using steroids, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he is a truly talented slugger.
<< <i>It is just so sad that we can never look at any player with big home run numbers without suspicion. If someone puts up Hank Greenberg or Jimmie Foxx numbers the thought is that they must be doing something illegal. It couldn't be that they might just be the Greenberg or Foxx of their generation. I have no idea about Albert Pujols, but since no player has ever ratted him out for steroids and nobody has ever produced any facts that he is using steroids, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he is a truly talented slugger. >>
<< <i>Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team! >>
Just doing a 1 month re-visit. How are things going now Trevmo?
Comments
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>Nuff caid!!! >>
outctanding!
i think that answer is clear now.....
---------------------------------------------
ted williams would be the best player ever if not for the war.......
<< <i>Please revisit this thread again when the Pujols steroid report is released. >>
Not gonna happen, so keep dreaming.
wasn't for his beef with Topps because he didn't want to be in the 93 Team USA Topps Traded set.
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
By the way where is Fanatical? I can't believe that neither he nor his alts have posted on this thread today.
<< <i>By the way where is Fanatical? I can't believe that neither he nor his alts have posted on this thread today. >>
Are you sure about that?
No. We should start a thread with known, or suspected, alts. Would be funny.
<< <i>I predict that the cards of the player who ends up having the best career will be worth more. >>
As usual, profoundly brilliant comments.
Also, it's pretty sad that they bought all those high name players for this season and they aren't doing that good at all. Spend all the money you want but that's not gonna win a World Series!
Yankee fans boo and harass arod, we dont like him....
<< <i>.........they bought all those high name players for this season and they aren't doing that good at all........... >>
Yeah, 51 wins and 36 losses is horrible. That only projects to 95 wins for the year. You now have the dumbest post of 2009 so far.
<< <i>Pujols for sure! A-Roid is so over-rated it's not even funny. I hate the Yankees and I hate A-Roid and Jeter. Remember, A-Roid was already in the scope for steroids. Pujols is pure talent and hard work. A-Roid is just one of the Yankees and that's where all his popularity comes from. If he played for the Marlins or the Nationals, would anyone still like him as much? I think not.
Also, it's pretty sad that they bought all those high name players for this season and they aren't doing that good at all. Spend all the money you want but that's not gonna win a World Series! >>
Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers.
<< <i>
Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice.....
Ummmm A-Rod was popular well before he became a Yankee.
or are you saying you never heard of him before he became a yank?
Steve
<< <i>I woudl seriously be shocked if Pujols wasn't on HGH. Shocked. His trainer from the days before he was drafted is the guy who supplied Jason Grimsley with HGH. Plus have you seen Pujols' massive melon? >>
Absolutely FALSE accusations!
Please know what you are saying before making silly comments
<<A Myth Debunked; or Another Reason to Believe in Pujols
Since I am tired of seeing the ignorance of some, I feel the need to clear something up:
With the dark side of baseball still coming to light, the game and some of its hallowed records have been tainted, including Maris' record broken in 1998, a season and an epic homerun chase often credited with helping save the game from the after-effects of the 1994 strike. Some might say that baseball is in need of saving again. Because of the prevalence of steroid use in years past, and the ongoing revelation of this use, many of today's stars that have played through even a part of the Steroid Era will be targets of speculation. Not least among these is Albert Pujols. With the fall of A-Rod, Pujols has become, for many, the next in line to bring baseball out of the Steroid Era. These people believe in Pujols, and look to him to "reclaim" the Homerun Crown from "B*nds." There are others, though, that are just waiting for him to be revealed as the next big name to have juiced. Most of these people, convinced of his guilt, base their speculation on little more than the fact he can hit. Only one "fact" has been put forth that could cast doubt on El Hombre. Perhaps you have heard the name Chris Mihlfeld. He has been Pujols' strength trainer since the slugger was playing for Maple Woods Community College in KC. And in June 2006, Mihlfeld's name, and thus, Pujols' name, suddenly came front and center in the investigation of steroid use in baseball. It's time to set the record straight about Mihlfeld.
It started with a report from the online sports site "Deadspin." At the time, one of the big stories was Jason Grimsley, an Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher that admitted to using performance enhancing drugs and gave investigators the names of other players that had also used PEDs. He also named a "personal fitness trainer" that "once referred him to an amphetamine source." From his statements came an affidavit. The affidavit initially hit the media with the names blacked out, and on June 8, Deadspin published a report claiming to have a source that knew some of those names. One of those was supposedly the name of that trainer, and in the report Deadspin named Chris Mihlfeld.
Naturally, other media outlets picked up the story and ran with it. Keith Olbermann did a particularly scathing piece on Mihlfeld the following day on his show "Countdown" (the piece appears about midway down the page on the link given). Mihlfeld, meanwhile, vehemently denied the report and defended himself and Pujols, even stating that Grimsley, and Grimsley's lawyers, told him he was not named in the affadavit. The denials did nothing to dissuade the masses.
Obviously, the news was huge, but what it seems Deadspin, Olbermann, and the others in the media failed to do was check the source and actually confirm the information given. Fast forward to October 1 of the same year. The LA Times published an article that essentially shredded the claim that Mihlfeld was named in the Grimsley affidavit. The report got a few things wrong, but it was dead on about Mihlfeld. He was not named in the affidavit. What name did they reveal as the trainer mentioned by Grimsley? Brian McNamee. Yes, the same Brian McNamee currently embroiled in the Roger Clemens debacle. The same Brian McNamee that has admitted to injecting Clemens and others with steroids. Brian McNamee, not Chris Mihlfeld.
The day after the LA Times article, Deadspin issued an apology to Mihlfeld.
When the Grimsley affidavit was unsealed by the court in December, Mihlfeld was unequivocally vindicated, as there was no mention of his name anywhere in the document. Unfortunately, the damage had already been done, and to this day, it seems, Mihlfeld is still dogged by the accusation. I see it frequently here. Usually by people that don't know what they are talking about. But, once or twice, I've seen normally well-informed members of FN propagate the erroneous report. It's false, people.
Which brings me back to Pujols. I realize there will be those that will always have their suspicions. I can't change that. But let it be clear now that those suspicions are merely that--suspicions. There is no factual basis for any of them. The solitary "fact" that could have cast doubt on whether Pujols is clean has been debunked. The suspicions that remain are nothing but baseless conjecture. So, if you are one of those people that believes baseball needs a some sort of hero to bring baseball out of the Steroid Era, Albert Pujols is as good as any.>>
EDIT: to add link
Pujols will always be worth more for lots of reasons already mentioned plus he will always be a Cardinal.
PS: Collect Jeter over Arod any day of the week.
<< <i>
<< <i>
Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice..... >>
It makes sense IF he has been taking them all along, including before breaking into the bigs, that certainly would explain the consistency. I'm not accusing him, I'm just saying that I have doubts about him and everybody else after all that's come out the last few years. So many of the superstars getting busted has cast a dark cloud over the whole sport, in my opinion.
Over time, the truth will be known, and I sincerely hope all his amazing production is from talent and not juice.
if so very well done!
Or 9+ years of juice like Sosa, McGwire, Raffy, Arod, Manny ... I don't get your logic here.
I don't have any reason to suspect Pujols, but I didn't really expect players like Palmeiro and Manny to be juicing either. I hope he's clean - that would really be hard for MLB if someone take him (or Jeter or Griffey) went down. I think most people knew Sosa, Bonds, Mac, etc were cheating as you could watch their heads grow bigger each month, and most people weren't too surprised/cared about Raffy, Arod and Manny for one reason or another (such as Raffy got overlooked/passed in the PED #s [and he played for the O's], Arod is basically hated by everyone including Yanks fans, etc), but Pujols and Jeter appear to be closer to the 'soul' of MLB in my opinion. I guess I see it as what would happen to the PGA if Woods cheated.
Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team!
Steve
<< <i><<Yeah, 51 wins and 36 losses is horrible. That only projects to 95 wins for the year. You now have the dumbest post of 2009 so far.>>
Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team! >>
The Yankees have the 3rd best record in all of baseball. And that's without their best player for basically the first 2 months of the season.
As for Torre, how did they do without him? They won 89 games, more than the team Torre went to. Torre's incredible managing acumen, and the late season addition of Manny Ramirez (who played maybe the best half-season of baseball in my lifetime), resulted in a stunning improvement of a whole *2* games for the Dodgers over 2007.
I hate the Yankees but you're way off-base here.
Tabe
<< <i>
<< <i>
Don't be so sure that Pujols isn't on the juice as well. I really like Pujols and hope he's clean, but I have my doubts with his gargantuan numbers. >>
because he has great numbers (which are AMAZINGLY CONSISTENT_UNROID LIKE) you want to suspect him?
that doesnt make sense......you have to take numbers and place them in the proper context.....
if an average player put up "pujols -like" numbers for 2 years (brady anderson) then you may suspect them....
but when a guy does the same thing for 9 years in a row, its talent not juice..... >>
After Palmiero was busted for steroid use, I don't think you can dismiss anyone from scrutiny and suspicion. Palmiero wasn't huge, just average size. He was extremely consistant for more than a decade and never put up huge numbers in any one season. So I don't think you can use consistancy as proof that Pujols is clean.
<< <i>It is just so sad that we can never look at any player with big home run numbers without suspicion. If someone puts up Hank Greenberg or Jimmie Foxx numbers the thought is that they must be doing something illegal. It couldn't be that they might just be the Greenberg or Foxx of their generation. I have no idea about Albert Pujols, but since no player has ever ratted him out for steroids and nobody has ever produced any facts that he is using steroids, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he is a truly talented slugger. >>
hell of a post
<< <i>Wow, take it to heart! Someone must be a die-hard Yankee fan and now his feelings are hurt. That's too bad. We will see where the Yanks are at at the END of the season. You would think with all those high dollar players, they would at least be in 1st. And look what happened when they lost Torre. Who has the best record in the MLB right now?? Not your sweet little Yankees! Get off the bandwagon and find a real team! >>
Just doing a 1 month re-visit. How are things going now Trevmo?
Yeah How the Yanks doin now?
Steve