Instead of over-analyzing the sociology issue here, take a deep breath and wait for the sale. it will be great to watch, even online, as these coins will likely be hotly contested. It will be exciting for all collectors to see once again what it's like when highly desirable coins come to the market.
The three sales in the last few years that were amazing were Oliver Jung, Husak, and the Kauffman coins. This is not the scale of them but they certainly are the same type of quality. The most prominent pedigrees are Dale Friend and Sliasberg. It should be a good sale.
And I only WISH I was getting a "promoter's fee" I get gornisht.
I always love watching great coins sell, and trust me, MANY are beyond my means!
But to see coins get bid 20-30 times is always exciting. I don;t know the breadth of the Barber Quarter market so I can't even guess how many players there are...
"My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
Times change. The old guys did letters and snail. We do e mail and overnights. I do think it's remarkable how many 21st century whales move on so quickly from their acquired treasures.
Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber. A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years.
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<< <i>Times change. The old guys did letters and snail. We do e mail and overnights. I do think it's remarkable how many 21st century whales move on so quickly from their acquired treasures.
Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber. A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years. >>
Our technology is instantaneous information. Light speed ! You've touched on a very critical point, Andy.
> Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber. > A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like > this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years
Yes. I noted your point when I posted "Maybe we can more easily accomplish what it took the old guys decades to do." That is surely a factor but it doesn't totally explain the obvious change in mindset we see today.
<< <i>but it's more than fair to note there are many whales who can't seem to hang onto their prizes for long at all, even when money is no factor to them in the coin equation. That is generally much different than in decades past. >>
It could be that they value the hunt and the challenge more than the ownership.
In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king.
Thanks for the heads up about the quarters! Steve collects the good stuff for sure. I am more interested in the halves, but I know he will wait before he sells those. I do have a very early start on a quarter set at the MS 64-65 level, but haven't done much with it. Not enough money to do it all!
To show you how significant Steve Duckor's sets are, I have the listed second finest PCGS registry set of barber halves now. I recently used the "What If" function under "My Registry." To get my set to match the level of Steve's using this imaginary, but fun tool, would cost $1Million if the coins were available at the PCGS listed prices. I know better, at auction when the coins sell they will bring far more than that; it would be if they sold right now. Do I ever plan to try to surpass his set? Not on your life. It would probably take closer to $2Million which I ain't got.
I will be in LA for the ANA and will preview the quarters. What an added bonus to attending the show.
Ya know Pete, I often think that his Barber Halves is one of the finest sets in the entire registry. JHF has an amazing set of SLQs.....both are basically ALL TOP POPs and also beautiful coins and if there are multiples, often the nicest of those!
add: I'd have to give kudos to Sunnywood's Morgans as well for the !absolute quality and beauty! Not the top pops but KILLERS, every one.
Any coins collected by our friend Dr. Duckor are worth a serious look !!! His sets have always been among the very best, filled with the finest high-grade original and attractive coins. In the case of his Barber quarters, there are many old friends there, including a number of coins that came from my collection. (These were my duplicates, in fact, several of which of course upgraded at PCGS as soon as I no longer owned them. Grading is a mysterious process, as I had submitted the same coins unsuccessfully only a short time earlier.) There are also many "old Friends" from the Dale Friend collection in the Duckor set. In fact, at a memorable confab, Dale gave Steve & me the opportunity to buy whatever coins we wanted from his set, and we were both very happy.
In addition, the set also features coins with the Eliasberg pedigree, and other wonderful provenance. I'm sure there will be strong demand for many of these coins. Best of luck to Steve on the sale of these wonderful coins.
Sunnywoods set of Barber Quarters is the most breathtaking set of coins I have ever seen. If the Duckor set is better I don't know if my heart can take it!!
<< <i>Sunnywoods set of Barber Quarters is the most breathtaking set of coins I have ever seen. If the Duckor set is better I don't know if my heart can take it!! >>
My guess is you are correct. My guess is each coin will bring close to if not a record for the grade and date.
Ultimately, how the coins do might rest more with what financial markets are doing in late July than anything else. But finest knowns and 2nd finest always seem to do well. Best of luck with trailing winds for late July.
And everyone wonders where all the great collectors went on this forum? They left because of this proletariat BS and micro-dissection of every issue.
If coins are great you get the "poor cry".
If coins are cheap you get the "junk cry".
Dealers are always "devils", even the one's who aren't.
Grading sucks, is corrupt, is great, is undergrading and overgrading, CAC is a waste of money and a godsend.
Most really "great" threads are what someone stole on Ebay, got ripped on Ebay or someone is juicing up photos on Ebay. The mint sucks and shouldn't be in the business of selling coins. The UHR is beautiful and disappointing and everyone wanted one until most people didn't think they were great.
If I missed something let me know.
This place is now officially the "Malcontent Contaire Forum" these days. Why bother.
saintguru, I think you doomed yourself from the beginning by coming across as a carnival barker in the title and first post. If you truly view the forum as being beneath you then you might want to move on before we drag you down to our level.
Yes, I will be happy to comment ... I was so obsessed with BQ's that I know most of the top specimens of every issue. One thing I definitely know, Duckor, tahoedale & I all share very similar tastes in coins, and the sets we have built have much in common.
<< <i>saintguru, I think you doomed yourself from the beginning by coming across as a carnival barker in the title and first post. If you truly view the forum as being beneath you then you might want to move on before we drag you down to our level. >>
<< <i>Big money =/= Serious collector >>
It's responses like this that show the lack of thought that this board deserves. No one says that coins must be $$ to be worthy.
But it's the old class struggle that this mirrors, eh Komrade?
Some of my favorites that were NOT Sunnywood duplicates: 1893-S, 1896-O, 1897-O, 1898-O, 1899, 1902, 1903-S, 1907-D (and more ... )
There are at least nine coins in the auction that were previously in my collection. These are all coins that I sold off as duplicates while I still owned my set. Based on my knowledge of those coins, I have to say that some of the Heritage images don't really look like the coins. I strongly advise any serious buyers to view these coins in hand.
If I still owned my set, I would be a buyer for some of these coins.
<< <i>There is really no good reason for this thread to get derailed.
Let's wait til we see some of the images of the Barber quarters, then come back on for questions, and history/provenance.
I will be happy to comment, as I am sure will Sunnywood. >>
Touche!
Here's a general question for Dale and Doug concerning Barbers. Barber Quarters, and other Barbers for that matter, have unique toning characteristics to them compared to other series. Toning can be found that is mottled, it can be found uneven, or can be found what I call waterflow toning (more common to proofs). Target toning, and very even and full toning, etc., is not characteristic of BQs. As an example, the 1898-O is toning you'd expect to see on a Seated coin, not a Barber.
Using Sunnywood nomenclature, 1st cycle toning color is common, mostly the yellows, 2nd cycle toning is fairly uncommon, and 3rd cylce is extremely rare. Barbers also seem to like to tone right to grey.
Was there something about how they were coined that made all this so? I've never seen any writings on this.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
Actually, I don't quite agree that the series has uniquely poor toning characteristics. Oh sure, there are dates, such as the "S" mints from 1899 to 1903, that are rarely found with anything but streaky grey and brown toning, but that is true across all silver denominations. What is true is that Barber quarters were simply not saved. Great colorful toning requires pristine surfaces and controlled storage for long periods of time. This series was simply not saved in numbers, so such examples are rare. Conversely, circulated Barbers, with their bold obverse portrait, found their way into many albums ... so we are more accustomed to thinking of Barbers as circulated and grey.
Collectors who did save Barbers generally collected the proofs. Mintmarked coins were not popularly collected back then, so the branch mint coins found no better survival rate in gem than the P-mint business strikes. Seated coinage, being older, was saved earlier and longer ...
If you restrict your examination to surviving gems of all issues in the series, I think you will find that, amongst those gems, there are colorfully toned examples representing all of the expected toning types, with the exception of the issues that "don't tone nice" because of planchet handling. Note that SLQ's also don't come very often with full colorful album toning.
So yeah, there are issues of manufacture and planchet preparation, and post-striking handling ... but it's also just a matter of there being a relatively small surviving population with pristine enough surfaces to develop the kind of toning that you're referring to. If you look through my retired set (see sigline), and through select coins from teh Duckor set, you will find some beautifully toned coins.
<< <i>The three sales in the last few years that were amazing were Oliver Jung, Husak, and the Kauffman coins. This is not the scale of them but they certainly are the same type of quality. >>
SaintGuru, there is no doubt that these are great collections. P. Kaufman's coins were spread over several sales that were not as exciting as the Jung and Husak sales, which I covered. It is curious, though, that you omitted the auctions of the Hugon , 'Gold Rush Gallery' gold-type , Kutasi, and Naftzger-Middle Date collections. The quality, depth and completeness of these collections are exceptional. Dr. Duckor, though, perhaps surpasses all of these above-mentioned collectors in regard to his success in finding, identifying and obtaining coins with natural toning and original surfaces.
"In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
I just read the above description about one of the Doctor's great coins. I don't know about him but I could never let this one go, with the look that this BQ has along with its incredible pedigree and history and where ti stands in the pop charts I call it an irreplaceable indispensible coin that is a keeper forever. These are the coins that I would love to own someday nothing more nothing less, what a collection to have this as one of its parts >>
When you have gone through the process to sell the denomination it is hard to just hold on to one or two as you might regret selling them all.
Dr. Duckor has put together some incredible collections including his Barber Halves and Barber Quarters. I have had the good fortune to see a handful of his halves over the past couple of years and I am really looking forward to seeing the quarters in the upcoming auction.
There are very few collectors that have put together sets of the quality you will see here. I know his half set just won't be duplicated by anyone, with Dr. Pete maybe getting closest some day.
Any one interested in acquiring any of these Barber Quarters should take the opportunity to see them in person and bid accordingly. I also totally agree these should be seen in person as you can't possibly judge how nice these coins are from the photos. I would not ever buy coins from auction on anywhere else without personally seeing them or having a trusted dealer or other individual view them. But if you have an interest in Barber Quarters then don't pass up this opportunity!
It doesn't happen often to have the chance to pick up this kind of quality.
In case you didn't know yet, bidding is now open on this set... lots of nice ones still available for a bid of only $2 + BP!!!!
Not sure if it was mentioned or if its known, but is this set selling unreserved?? Not sure it matters much with these coins unless the reserves are all at moon money levels.
Glad to see they opened. I was trying to look a day or two ago when the Palm Beach sale was live and I couldn't even get the LA auction to come up to view them online.
Maybe there was too much traffic on when I was trying to take a look.
So did anyone here win any of the Duckor quarters????????
I bid on several of them, and was winning a few after Internet bidding but lost them all during the live auction, oh well
Was in an airplane travelling while the live auction was running so I missed out on some of the fun, but it did keep me from bumping my bids at the last second I guess
The prices on about 8 pieces impressed me as being pretty strong. I've always liked the O/S mints of 1898-1901 a lot more than most of the other branch mints. Certainly, the price of the 1903-s was really stunning.
In flipping through the PR's the photo of the 1893-0 in MS66 jumped out as me as very nearly identical in coloration to an ogh MS65 I purchased in Feb of 1999 via Teletrade (and sold in the 2003-2006 time period). The coin was exceptionally clean for a 65 and in my mind a no brainer 66. I would not be surprised if this were the same coin. But unfortunately TT does not have archived pics from that far back to confirm it. It's funny how a particular striking color pattern never leaves your memory.
<< <i>Actually, I don't quite agree that the series has uniquely poor toning characteristics. Oh sure, there are dates, such as the "S" mints from 1899 to 1903, that are rarely found with anything but streaky grey and brown toning, but that is true across all silver denominations. What is true is that Barber quarters were simply not saved. Great colorful toning requires pristine surfaces and controlled storage for long periods of time. This series was simply not saved in numbers, so such examples are rare. Conversely, circulated Barbers, with their bold obverse portrait, found their way into many albums ... so we are more accustomed to thinking of Barbers as circulated and grey.
.....If you restrict your examination to surviving gems of all issues in the series, I think you will find that, amongst those gems, there are colorfully toned examples representing all of the expected toning types, with the exception of the issues that "don't tone nice" because of planchet handling. Note that SLQ's also don't come very often with full colorful album toning.
So yeah, there are issues of manufacture and planchet preparation, and post-striking handling ... but it's also just a matter of there being a relatively small surviving population with pristine enough surfaces to develop the kind of toning that you're referring to. If you look through my retired set (see sigline), and through select coins from teh Duckor set, you will find some beautifully toned coins.
Sunnywood >>
I found your comments helpful to improve my understanding of toning characteristics of this type. I bought this piece (PCGS MS65 CAC) in the January FUN Plymouth Collection auction and was attracted to the heavy toning, especially the reverse. My pics don't capture the luster real well underneath the heavy toning (reverse scuffs are on plastic). I see that the 93P for Duckor sold for much more probably due to not everyone liking to much toning!
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Analyst, thanks for the honorable mention. I really did try to have a cool collection and I guess I would fall into the lightening speed category.
Saintguru, didn't you get my check for promoting my collection? There have been several interesting sales in the last few years beyond Jung and the two others you mention.
I believe the velocity of coins has increased of late and we are seeing many rare coins reappear at auction a lot quicker than in the past. Is this a sign of the times?
<< <i>Analyst, thanks for the honorable mention. I really did try to have a cool collection and I guess I would fall into the lightening speed category.
Saintguru, didn't you get my check for promoting my collection? There have been several interesting sales in the last few years beyond Jung and the two others you mention.
I believe the velocity of coins has increased of late and we are seeing many rare coins reappear at auction a lot quicker than in the past. Is this a sign of the times? >>
I think it's just natural, owning coins is fun but not as fun as process of collecting. I think except for the very wealthy it is natural to start collecting something else once a series or sub-series is complete. To do this it usually requires selling part or all of the previously completed set. I went through this with my Indian Half Eagle collection to fund my current joy of Classic Head Half Eagle Varieties.
I would not change anything in the way I did it, I really enjoyed the hunt for nice Indian heads but there is an emptiness once completed. So now I have a series that may very well take a life time to complete as some of the varieties only have 2 or 3 known.
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Instead of over-analyzing the sociology issue here, take a deep breath and wait for the sale. it will be great to watch, even online, as these coins will likely be hotly contested. It will be exciting for all collectors to see once again what it's like when highly desirable coins come to the market.
The three sales in the last few years that were amazing were Oliver Jung, Husak, and the Kauffman coins. This is not the scale of them but they certainly are the same type of quality. The most prominent pedigrees are Dale Friend and Sliasberg. It should be a good sale.
And I only WISH I was getting a "promoter's fee" I get gornisht.
Unfortunately, most of Dr. Dukor's coins will be beyond my means, but I will enjoy viewing them. Thanks for the heads up.
But to see coins get bid 20-30 times is always exciting. I don;t know the breadth of the Barber Quarter market so I can't even guess how many players there are...
Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber. A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years.
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<< <i>Times change. The old guys did letters and snail. We do e mail and overnights. I do think it's remarkable how many 21st century whales move on so quickly from their acquired treasures.
Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber. A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years. >>
Our technology is instantaneous information. Light speed ! You've touched on a very critical point, Andy.
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You had to wait a week or even LONGER to get a coin! How could that be?
<< <i>That's right. And just think...there was NO FEDEX!!!
You had to wait a week or even LONGER to get a coin! How could that be? >>
So they still had registered mail?
They sure did - and 40 years ago, it took as long as it does today - 10 days to 2 weeks.
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> Another thing that's changed is the speed with which it is POSSIBLE to build a collection of this caliber.
> A generation ago, perhaps the biggest reason that you didn't see a lot of people building collections like
> this in three years and then dumping it is that it was impossible to build the collection in three years
Yes. I noted your point when I posted "Maybe we can more easily accomplish what it took the old guys decades to do." That is surely a factor but it doesn't totally explain the obvious change in mindset we see today.
<< <i>but it's more than fair to note there are many whales who can't seem to hang onto their prizes for long at all, even when money is no factor to them in the coin equation. That is generally much different than in decades past. >>
It could be that they value the hunt and the challenge more than the ownership.
> It could be that they value the hunt and the challenge more than the ownership.
Maybe some of them are only wearing whale costumes
> so that should influence the decisions of when to sell but somehow it ain't.
I agree. A lot of stuff is different now. My better half complains about it often. I just smile and remind her we're not living in the 50's anymore.
None of this is meant to take anything away from what is surely a great collection of Barber quarters
Thanks for the heads up about the quarters! Steve collects the good stuff for sure. I am more interested in the halves, but I know he will wait before he sells those. I do have a very early start on a quarter set at the MS 64-65 level, but haven't done much with it. Not enough money to do it all!
To show you how significant Steve Duckor's sets are, I have the listed second finest PCGS registry set of barber halves now. I recently used the "What If" function under "My Registry." To get my set to match the level of Steve's using this imaginary, but fun tool, would cost $1Million if the coins were available at the PCGS listed prices. I know better, at auction when the coins sell they will bring far more than that; it would be if they sold right now. Do I ever plan to try to surpass his set? Not on your life. It would probably take closer to $2Million which I ain't got.
I will be in LA for the ANA and will preview the quarters. What an added bonus to attending the show.
add: I'd have to give kudos to Sunnywood's Morgans as well for the !absolute quality and beauty! Not the top pops but KILLERS, every one.
In addition, the set also features coins with the Eliasberg pedigree, and other wonderful provenance. I'm sure there will be strong demand for many of these coins. Best of luck to Steve on the sale of these wonderful coins.
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
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<< <i>Sunnywoods set of Barber Quarters is the most breathtaking set of coins I have ever seen. If the Duckor set is better I don't know if my heart can take it!! >>
Ultimately, how the coins do might rest more with what financial markets are doing in late July than anything else. But finest knowns and 2nd finest always seem to do well. Best of luck with trailing winds for late July.
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And everyone wonders where all the great collectors went on this forum? They left because of this proletariat BS and micro-dissection of every issue.
If coins are great you get the "poor cry".
If coins are cheap you get the "junk cry".
Dealers are always "devils", even the one's who aren't.
Grading sucks, is corrupt, is great, is undergrading and overgrading, CAC is a waste of money and a godsend.
Most really "great" threads are what someone stole on Ebay, got ripped on Ebay or someone is juicing up photos on Ebay. The mint sucks and shouldn't be in the business of selling coins. The UHR is beautiful and disappointing and everyone wanted one until most people didn't think they were great.
If I missed something let me know.
This place is now officially the "Malcontent Contaire Forum" these days. Why bother.
<< <i>If I missed something let me know. >>
You missed all the people who drop by to tell us why they don't drop by anymore...
Let's wait til we see some of the images of the Barber quarters, then come back on for questions, and history/provenance.
I will be happy to comment, as I am sure will Sunnywood.
Sunnywood
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Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
<< <i>saintguru, I think you doomed yourself from the beginning by coming across as a carnival barker in the title and first post. If you truly view the forum as being beneath you then you might want to move on before we drag you down to our level. >>
<< <i>Big money =/= Serious collector >>
It's responses like this that show the lack of thought that this board deserves. No one says that coins must be $$ to be worthy.
But it's the old class struggle that this mirrors, eh Komrade?
If you say so.
Carry on girls.
<< <i>There is really no good reason for this thread to get derailed.
Let's wait til we see some of the images of the Barber quarters, then come back on for questions, and history/provenance.
I will be happy to comment, as I am sure will Sunnywood. >>
Looks like most of the images are posted now.
Dale: Is the 1898-O your old coin ?
Great looking coins. I wish Dr. Duckor all the best on
the sale of his Quarters.
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There are at least nine coins in the auction that were previously in my collection. These are all coins that I sold off as duplicates while I still owned my set. Based on my knowledge of those coins, I have to say that some of the Heritage images don't really look like the coins. I strongly advise any serious buyers to view these coins in hand.
If I still owned my set, I would be a buyer for some of these coins.
Best,
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
<< <i>There is really no good reason for this thread to get derailed.
Let's wait til we see some of the images of the Barber quarters, then come back on for questions, and history/provenance.
I will be happy to comment, as I am sure will Sunnywood. >>
Touche!
Here's a general question for Dale and Doug concerning Barbers. Barber Quarters, and other Barbers for that matter, have unique toning characteristics to them compared to other series. Toning can be found that is mottled, it can be found uneven, or can be found what I call waterflow toning (more common to proofs). Target toning, and very even and full toning, etc., is not characteristic of BQs. As an example, the 1898-O is toning you'd expect to see on a Seated coin, not a Barber.
Using Sunnywood nomenclature, 1st cycle toning color is common, mostly the yellows, 2nd cycle toning is fairly uncommon, and 3rd cylce is extremely rare. Barbers also seem to like to tone right to grey.
Was there something about how they were coined that made all this so? I've never seen any writings on this.
That is one of the best recognitions of an intelligent post I've seen in a while. Keep it up!
Who is John Galt?
Collectors who did save Barbers generally collected the proofs. Mintmarked coins were not popularly collected back then, so the branch mint coins found no better survival rate in gem than the P-mint business strikes. Seated coinage, being older, was saved earlier and longer ...
If you restrict your examination to surviving gems of all issues in the series, I think you will find that, amongst those gems, there are colorfully toned examples representing all of the expected toning types, with the exception of the issues that "don't tone nice" because of planchet handling. Note that SLQ's also don't come very often with full colorful album toning.
So yeah, there are issues of manufacture and planchet preparation, and post-striking handling ... but it's also just a matter of there being a relatively small surviving population with pristine enough surfaces to develop the kind of toning that you're referring to. If you look through my retired set (see sigline), and through select coins from teh Duckor set, you will find some beautifully toned coins.
Sunnywood
Sunnywood's Rainbow-Toned Morgans (Retired)
Sunnywood's Barber Quarters (Retired)
<< <i>The three sales in the last few years that were amazing were Oliver Jung, Husak, and the Kauffman coins. This is not the scale of them but they certainly are the same type of quality. >>
SaintGuru, there is no doubt that these are great collections. P. Kaufman's coins were spread over several sales that were not as exciting as the Jung and Husak sales, which I covered. It is curious, though, that you omitted the auctions of the Hugon , 'Gold Rush Gallery' gold-type , Kutasi, and Naftzger-Middle Date collections. The quality, depth and completeness of these collections are exceptional. Dr. Duckor, though, perhaps surpasses all of these above-mentioned collectors in regard to his success in finding, identifying and obtaining coins with natural toning and original surfaces.
<< <i>
I just read the above description about one of the Doctor's great coins. I don't know about him but I could never let this one go, with the look that this BQ has along with its incredible pedigree and history and where ti stands in the pop charts I call it an irreplaceable indispensible coin that is a keeper forever. These are the coins that I would love to own someday nothing more nothing less, what a collection to have this as one of its parts
When you have gone through the process to sell the denomination it is hard to just hold on to one or two as you might regret selling them all.
There are very few collectors that have put together sets of the quality you will see here. I know his half set just won't be duplicated by anyone, with Dr. Pete maybe getting closest some day.
Any one interested in acquiring any of these Barber Quarters should take the opportunity to see them in person and bid accordingly. I also totally agree these should be seen in person as you can't possibly judge how nice these coins are from the photos. I would not ever buy coins from auction on anywhere else without personally seeing them or having a trusted dealer or other individual view them. But if you have an interest in Barber Quarters then don't pass up this opportunity!
It doesn't happen often to have the chance to pick up this kind of quality.
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Not sure if it was mentioned or if its known, but is this set selling unreserved?? Not sure it matters much with these coins unless the reserves are all at moon money levels.
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Maybe there was too much traffic on when I was trying to take a look.
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I bid on several of them, and was winning a few after Internet bidding but lost them all during the live auction, oh well
Was in an airplane travelling while the live auction was running so I missed out on some of the fun, but it did keep me from bumping my bids at the last second I guess
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96-0 66 $20,700
98 67 $9775
98-0 66 $18,975
01-0 67 $27,600
02 67 $12,650
03-s 67 $37,375
09-d 67 $10,350
09-0 66 $13,800
In flipping through the PR's the photo of the 1893-0 in MS66 jumped out as me as very nearly identical in coloration to an ogh MS65 I purchased in Feb of 1999 via Teletrade (and sold in the 2003-2006 time period). The coin was exceptionally clean for a 65 and in my mind a no brainer 66. I would not be surprised if this were the same coin. But unfortunately TT does not have archived pics from that far back to confirm it. It's funny how a particular striking color pattern never leaves your memory.
roadrunner
<< <i>Actually, I don't quite agree that the series has uniquely poor toning characteristics. Oh sure, there are dates, such as the "S" mints from 1899 to 1903, that are rarely found with anything but streaky grey and brown toning, but that is true across all silver denominations. What is true is that Barber quarters were simply not saved. Great colorful toning requires pristine surfaces and controlled storage for long periods of time. This series was simply not saved in numbers, so such examples are rare. Conversely, circulated Barbers, with their bold obverse portrait, found their way into many albums ... so we are more accustomed to thinking of Barbers as circulated and grey.
.....If you restrict your examination to surviving gems of all issues in the series, I think you will find that, amongst those gems, there are colorfully toned examples representing all of the expected toning types, with the exception of the issues that "don't tone nice" because of planchet handling. Note that SLQ's also don't come very often with full colorful album toning.
So yeah, there are issues of manufacture and planchet preparation, and post-striking handling ... but it's also just a matter of there being a relatively small surviving population with pristine enough surfaces to develop the kind of toning that you're referring to. If you look through my retired set (see sigline), and through select coins from teh Duckor set, you will find some beautifully toned coins.
Sunnywood >>
I found your comments helpful to improve my understanding of toning characteristics of this type. I bought this piece (PCGS MS65 CAC) in the January FUN Plymouth Collection auction and was attracted to the heavy toning, especially the reverse. My pics don't capture the luster real well underneath the heavy toning (reverse scuffs are on plastic). I see that the 93P for Duckor sold for much more probably due to not everyone liking to much toning!
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
Saintguru, didn't you get my check for promoting my collection? There have been several interesting sales in the last few years beyond Jung and the two others you mention.
I believe the velocity of coins has increased of late and we are seeing many rare coins reappear at auction a lot quicker than in the past. Is this a sign of the times?
$20 Saint Gaudens Registry Set
<< <i>Analyst, thanks for the honorable mention. I really did try to have a cool collection and I guess I would fall into the lightening speed category.
Saintguru, didn't you get my check for promoting my collection? There have been several interesting sales in the last few years beyond Jung and the two others you mention.
I believe the velocity of coins has increased of late and we are seeing many rare coins reappear at auction a lot quicker than in the past. Is this a sign of the times? >>
I think it's just natural, owning coins is fun but not as fun as process of collecting. I think except for the very wealthy it is natural to start collecting something else once a series or sub-series is complete. To do this it usually requires selling part or all of the previously completed set. I went through this with my Indian Half Eagle collection to fund my current joy of Classic Head Half Eagle Varieties.
I would not change anything in the way I did it, I really enjoyed the hunt for nice Indian heads but there is an emptiness once completed. So now I have a series that may very well take a life time to complete as some of the varieties only have 2 or 3 known.
Great collection!