So, If I buy a detail slabbed coin, crack it, submit it to PCGS, and it comes back with a grade, do I have to mention that it was once slabbed in a details slab when I sell it on ebay?
<< <i>As for buying detail slabbed coins, cracking, then selling them as problem free I have yet to see where the subject of this thread does that. >>
It's there.
Click on the third link in the original post. It will take you to another thread. Same seller, though.
That thread is all about purchasing detail slabbed coins, cracking them, and then selling them without a mention of any problem.
This seller was caught making a profit of about $4500 doing that very thing with a Heritage purchased NCS coin, resold as raw on eBay with no problems mentioned, no history mentioned other than the 'grandfather story'. >>
Where did he claim it had no problems? On the contrary, anyone whocannot look at the pics he provided and tell that it indeed DOES have problems is a person who should not be buying coins at that price level--or for that matter ANY price level at which he would be financially damaged.
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions).
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
Apparently we are not on the same page and this argument is going in circles.
In my book, that is an Important Omission. Not something your can sue over such as in the real estate world, but an important part of the pedigree nonetheless.
Any seller caught doing this, in my opinion, sells wares that bear much, much more scrutiny than usual. I feel that such sellers are essentially minefields for most collectors. This is certainly not your 'trusted source for coins and advice' is it?
I've never been in a situation where i've had a detail slab, cracked it, got it graded, then sold the graded slab. To answer your question honestly, I think i'd actually have to be in that position.
But answering not-quite-honestly, I think i'd write a large paragraph detailing all of the history I know about the coin, including the detail slab part. I'd probably try to bury it with as many other relevant details as I can gather, as it does seem that the mention of a prior details slab would not be a good thing for the hammer price.
There is that pressure...money versus transparency. I don't deny it is not there. I guess i've gained more over the long term by sharing knowledge than by hiding it.
[edit]Hiding knowledge is an important tool for many salesmen. Even the most ethical and puritanical ones will eventually run across such a situation.
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
That's why I asked the question. Too many people expect everyone to do as they see as fit.
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud... If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon.
<< <i>So, If I buy a detail slabbed coin, crack it, submit it to PCGS, and it comes back with a grade, do I have to mention that it was once slabbed in a details slab when I sell it on ebay? >>
No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility.
<< <i>That's why I asked the question. Too many people expect everyone to do as they see as fit. >>
Yeah, we can't change the world, but hopefully we can point out the ethically soft idiots out there.
I do agree with OKBust, people should definitely take responsibility for their own actions. If you spend $6K on a raw coin on eBay of all places then deserve whatever you get. However, a seller preying on the more naive collectors and spinning some b.s. story about their grandfather deserve the public ridicule IMHO.
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
<< <i> No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy.
Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
<< <i> No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
I'm calling him a crook because he tried to get me to refund him after he already sold the coin under his alt account, IE mail fraud, which is a felony.
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud... If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon. >>
Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation.
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud... If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon. >>
Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
He bought the 1862 quarter from me. I mailed it to him. He obviously received it because he already sold it on his alt account, PLUS the delivery confirmation shows it was delivered. He now claims it was never delivered and is demanding a refund.
I don't see where there can be any debate on that.
"MAIL FRAUD - 18 U.S.C. 1341, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use the United States mails in carrying out a scheme to defraud.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved: First: That the person knowingly and willfully devised a scheme to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false pretenses, representations or promises; and Second: That the person used the United States Postal Service by mailing, or by causing to be mailed, some matter or thing for the purpose of executing the scheme to defraud. "
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right? >>
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting.
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right? >>
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well.
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right? >>
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well. >>
Oh, I understand very well. You feel the need to keep everyone from harm. It's a good trait. Unfeasable, but good. The world is full of bad things that could be eradicated by some knowledge and common sense. There is just a complete lack of common sense in many people.
This comment isn't directed at anybody just a random thought: There are threads every once in awhile that bring up that coin collecting may be dying. Collectors are getting older...will there be any young people to take their places eventually? People claim how important it is to get new blood into this hobby in order for it to thrive. However, when someone tries to take on an unscrupulous dealer who is in the process of ruining the hobby for newer collectors that we all admit that our hobby needs, some of us choose to bury our heads in the sand and say, "it's just business," or "this is the real world, blah blah."
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is."
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
<< <i>This comment isn't directed at anybody just a random thought: There are threads every once in awhile that bring up that coin collecting may be dying. Collectors are getting older...will there be any young people to take their places eventually? People claim how important it is to get new blood into this hobby in order for it to thrive. However, when someone tries to take on an unscrupulous dealer who is in the process of ruining the hobby for newer collectors that we all admit that our hobby needs, some of us choose to bury our heads in the sand and say, "it's just business," or "this is the real world, blah blah."
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is." >>
The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life.
<< <i>The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
Thank God we don't all think like you. I wish you luck, Ken, I really do.
Positive BST transactions with: too many names to list! 36 at last count.
<< <i>This comment isn't directed at anybody just a random thought: There are threads every once in awhile that bring up that coin collecting may be dying. Collectors are getting older...will there be any young people to take their places eventually? People claim how important it is to get new blood into this hobby in order for it to thrive. However, when someone tries to take on an unscrupulous dealer who is in the process of ruining the hobby for newer collectors that we all admit that our hobby needs, some of us choose to bury our heads in the sand and say, "it's just business," or "this is the real world, blah blah."
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is." >>
The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
<< <i>The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
Thank God we don't all think like you. I wish you luck, Ken, I really do. >>
Maybe when you get a little older you'll look back on life and realize that you don't think now like you did years ago.
Heeeyyyy! I just noticed that the buyer of this item, shown as r***2, is listed as a bidder for this item, shown here.
I have outlined the case, using the link established by the OP to eBay, exposing "halowars12"/"lindalouisek" as a shill bidder. Never done that before, but it feels good
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right? >>
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well. >>
Oh, I understand very well. You feel the need to keep everyone from harm. It's a good trait. Unfeasable, but good. The world is full of bad things that could be eradicated by some knowledge and common sense. There is just a complete lack of common sense in many people. >>
No, I'm not an idealist who crusades for Lockean principles. I've always abided by the idea of just covering my own a$$, and let everyone else fend for themselves. This thread was started because someone attempted to screw me, and it's really only then do I really start to get angry.
<< <i> No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
Not true. He neglected his responsiblity to sell the 72-CC the first time he put it up for auction, where it only sold for around $2000 to his own shill bid, and subsequently shilled the auction where is sold for $6767 as well.
<< <i> No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
Not true. He neglected his responsiblity to sell the 72-CC the first time he put it up for auction, where it only sold for around $2000 to his own shill bid, and subsequently shilled the auction where is sold for $6767 as well. >>
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<< <i>As for buying detail slabbed coins, cracking, then selling them as problem free I have yet to see where the subject of this thread does that. >>
It's there.
Click on the third link in the original post. It will take you to another thread. Same seller, though.
That thread is all about purchasing detail slabbed coins, cracking them, and then selling them without a mention of any problem.
This seller was caught making a profit of about $4500 doing that very thing with a Heritage purchased NCS coin, resold as raw on eBay with no problems mentioned, no history mentioned other than the 'grandfather story'. >>
Where did he claim it had no problems? On the contrary, anyone whocannot look at the pics he provided and tell that it indeed DOES have problems is a person who should not be buying coins at that price level--or for that matter ANY price level at which he would be financially damaged.
<< <i>So, who's winning this pissing contest? >>
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions).
In my book, that is an Important Omission. Not something your can sue over such as in the real estate world, but an important part of the pedigree nonetheless.
Any seller caught doing this, in my opinion, sells wares that bear much, much more scrutiny than usual. I feel that such sellers are essentially minefields for most collectors. This is certainly not your 'trusted source for coins and advice' is it?
I've never been in a situation where i've had a detail slab, cracked it, got it graded, then sold the graded slab. To answer your question honestly, I think i'd actually have to be in that position.
But answering not-quite-honestly, I think i'd write a large paragraph detailing all of the history I know about the coin, including the detail slab part. I'd probably try to bury it with as many other relevant details as I can gather, as it does seem that the mention of a prior details slab would not be a good thing for the hammer price.
There is that pressure...money versus transparency. I don't deny it is not there. I guess i've gained more over the long term by sharing knowledge than by hiding it.
[edit]Hiding knowledge is an important tool for many salesmen. Even the most ethical and puritanical ones will eventually run across such a situation.
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<< <i>I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions >>
Nothing wrong with that. Personal responsibility is good. Can't get enough of that.
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<< <i>So, who's winning this pissing contest? >>
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
That's why I asked the question. Too many people expect everyone to do as they see as fit.
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<< <i>So, who's winning this pissing contest? >>
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud...
If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon.
<< <i>So, If I buy a detail slabbed coin, crack it, submit it to PCGS, and it comes back with a grade, do I have to mention that it was once slabbed in a details slab when I sell it on ebay? >>
No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility.
<< <i>That's why I asked the question. Too many people expect everyone to do as they see as fit. >>
Yeah, we can't change the world, but hopefully we can point out the ethically soft idiots out there.
I do agree with OKBust, people should definitely take responsibility for their own actions. If you spend $6K on a raw coin on eBay of all places then deserve whatever you get. However, a seller preying on the more naive collectors and spinning some b.s. story about their grandfather deserve the public ridicule IMHO.
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No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy.
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No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
I'm calling him a crook because he tried to get me to refund him after he already sold the coin under his alt account, IE mail fraud, which is a felony.
Did you even read the OP?
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<< <i>So, who's winning this pissing contest? >>
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud...
If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon. >>
Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation.
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<< <i>So, who's winning this pissing contest? >>
No one, Ken. The lynching parties rampant on this board will continue to insist that sellers should either be just like them or face a telephone pole colonoscopy and I will continue to insist that people should be forced to accept responsiblity for their own actions (or inactions). >>
If I'm a "lynching party" for exposing someone attempting mail fraud...
If you support a business model revolving around blindly cracking out problem coins and selling them without mentioning problems...
Personal responsibility is a huge part of this hobby. It's one of the reasons I like numismatics so much. But I don't think that exposing the scumbags of this hobby should therefore be frowned upon. >>
Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
He bought the 1862 quarter from me. I mailed it to him. He obviously received it because he already sold it on his alt account, PLUS the delivery confirmation shows it was delivered. He now claims it was never delivered and is demanding a refund.
I don't see where there can be any debate on that.
'halowars12' claimed that he had not recieved a coin when
1) The coin had been signed for.
2) The coin has been resold by the receiver.
Claiming that you have not gotten an item, when you in fact have gotten the item through the mail sounds like it might be a form of mail fraud.
+1 again.
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A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved: First: That the person knowingly and willfully devised a scheme to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false pretenses, representations or promises; and Second: That the person used the United States Postal Service by mailing, or by causing to be mailed, some matter or thing for the purpose of executing the scheme to defraud. "
<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
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<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting.
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<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well.
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<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well. >>
Oh, I understand very well. You feel the need to keep everyone from harm. It's a good trait. Unfeasable, but good. The world is full of bad things that could be eradicated by some knowledge and common sense. There is just a complete lack of common sense in many people.
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is."
<< <i>This comment isn't directed at anybody just a random thought: There are threads every once in awhile that bring up that coin collecting may be dying. Collectors are getting older...will there be any young people to take their places eventually? People claim how important it is to get new blood into this hobby in order for it to thrive. However, when someone tries to take on an unscrupulous dealer who is in the process of ruining the hobby for newer collectors that we all admit that our hobby needs, some of us choose to bury our heads in the sand and say, "it's just business," or "this is the real world, blah blah."
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is." >>
The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life.
<< <i>The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
Thank God we don't all think like you. I wish you luck, Ken, I really do.
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<< <i>This comment isn't directed at anybody just a random thought: There are threads every once in awhile that bring up that coin collecting may be dying. Collectors are getting older...will there be any young people to take their places eventually? People claim how important it is to get new blood into this hobby in order for it to thrive. However, when someone tries to take on an unscrupulous dealer who is in the process of ruining the hobby for newer collectors that we all admit that our hobby needs, some of us choose to bury our heads in the sand and say, "it's just business," or "this is the real world, blah blah."
No, we can't save the world from all evils, but we can sure as Hell try to make it difficult for the scumbags out there by not simply saying, "Well, that's the way it is." >>
The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
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<< <i>The only problem with this is that it really is the "way it is." Always has been, always will be. Not just in numismatics, but every single point in life. >>
Thank God we don't all think like you. I wish you luck, Ken, I really do. >>
Maybe when you get a little older you'll look back on life and realize that you don't think now like you did years ago.
I have outlined the case, using the link established by the OP to eBay, exposing "halowars12"/"lindalouisek" as a shill bidder. Never done that before, but it feels good
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<< <i>Please explain the "mail fraud" part with supporting documentation. >>
Ken it would be awesome if for once you actually read an entire thread before making some snide comment. It really makes you look like a jerk, but that can't be true, right?
Kiss my butt!
His original post is a clusterbomb that would confuse a good attorney. It's totally amazing the number of posts made on this forum that could have been taken care of without posting. >>
I'm not looking for a solution--I don't think there really is one. I'm just posting the problem.
And my OP is pretty well organized, evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of responses comprehend the situation pretty well. >>
Oh, I understand very well. You feel the need to keep everyone from harm. It's a good trait. Unfeasable, but good. The world is full of bad things that could be eradicated by some knowledge and common sense. There is just a complete lack of common sense in many people. >>
No, I'm not an idealist who crusades for Lockean principles. I've always abided by the idea of just covering my own a$$, and let everyone else fend for themselves. This thread was started because someone attempted to screw me, and it's really only then do I really start to get angry.
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No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
Not true. He neglected his responsiblity to sell the 72-CC the first time he put it up for auction, where it only sold for around $2000 to his own shill bid, and subsequently shilled the auction where is sold for $6767 as well.
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No, you don't, because PCGS assumes responsibility for the coin----the PCGS grade guarantee. However, if you buy a coin slabbed, then crack it and sell it raw, you have assumed the responsibility. >>
And yet, that is exactly what the seller you accuse of being a "complete crook" and a "scumbag" is doing. He is selling raw coins for which he takes full responsibility though his return policy. >>
Not true. He neglected his responsiblity to sell the 72-CC the first time he put it up for auction, where it only sold for around $2000 to his own shill bid, and subsequently shilled the auction where is sold for $6767 as well. >>
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