WTH is this??
FEC
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What is that on the field around the arm?
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Yep, it's...
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<< <i>Interesting. That is one error I have never really seen much of. Does that have any effect on the value of this coin? >>
Not sure I'd call it an error. As for value, probably not, although there are many people that salivate at the thought of a really neat one.
Scuse me while I wipe my chin
<< <i>Interesting. That is one error I have never really seen much of. Does that have any effect on the value of this coin? >>
First, it's not an error. It is EXACTLY what a coin struck from clashed dies should look like.
Secondly, very little--if any--change in value.
either. It occurs when the obverse and reverse
dies come together without a planchet in between,
imparting some of the design of each die on the
other.
As far as added value, not really, although you
might stand a better chance of selling one with
a well advertised clash to someone who likes
such things.
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
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I think its an AU-53-55.
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<< <i>Die clashes are indeed mint errors unless you think the mint purposely clashed their dies. Most die clashes give no added value to the coin but they sure are neat to study. >>
The coins are indeed not mint errors. One can make a case that the clashing of the dies resulted in a die error. One can even make a case that continuing to use clashed dies was a mint error. The coins themselves, however, are exactly what should have been created by use of those dies.
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<< <i>Die clashes are indeed mint errors unless you think the mint purposely clashed their dies. Most die clashes give no added value to the coin but they sure are neat to study. >>
The coins are indeed not mint errors. One can make a case that the clashing of the dies resulted in a die error. One can even make a case that continuing to use clashed dies was a mint error. The coins themselves, however, are exactly what should have been created by use of those dies. >>
Technically, it's neither a "die variety" or an "error."
It is an event that occurred during the life cycle of a die where the obverse and reverse dies struck each other without a planchet in between. Die clash marks are often used to signify or identify a particular stage in the life cycle of that die.
People do loosely use the term "variety" in a more general sense, and some coins with die clashes are popular, interesting, and collected by specialists.
That dime is awesome, grip!!
I would have paid a premium for that myself!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
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<< <i>Die clashes are indeed mint errors unless you think the mint purposely clashed their dies. Most die clashes give no added value to the coin but they sure are neat to study. >>
The coins are indeed not mint errors. One can make a case that the clashing of the dies resulted in a die error. One can even make a case that continuing to use clashed dies was a mint error. The coins themselves, however, are exactly what should have been created by use of those dies. >>
Let's agree to disagree.
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<< <i>This one I paid a small premium for.
Looks like Ms Liberty had a bad head cold and sneezed.
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It's one of my long time favorites.If the picture wasen't so over exposed
it would realy does stand out
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<< <i>Die clashes are indeed mint errors unless you think the mint purposely clashed their dies. Most die clashes give no added value to the coin but they sure are neat to study. >>
The coins are indeed not mint errors. One can make a case that the clashing of the dies resulted in a die error. One can even make a case that continuing to use clashed dies was a mint error. The coins themselves, however, are exactly what should have been created by use of those dies. >>
Let's agree to disagree.
Sounds good to me.
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<< <i>Die clashes are indeed mint errors unless you think the mint purposely clashed their dies. Most die clashes give no added value to the coin but they sure are neat to study. >>
The coins are indeed not mint errors. One can make a case that the clashing of the dies resulted in a die error. One can even make a case that continuing to use clashed dies was a mint error. The coins themselves, however, are exactly what should have been created by use of those dies. >>
Let's agree to disagree.
Sounds good to me.
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Come on guys, let's argue about it!! Don't give up so easily!!
It's a mint error!!
No it's not!!
Yes it is!!
No it's not!!
Yes it is!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
Unless you can convince me that the Mint purposely
makes the obverse and reverse dies come together
without a planchet between them, with a force of
50-70 tons, on purpose, it's then obviously an error.
The term Error, imo, covers everything wrong with a
coin or planchet. You can easily discuss (and it's been
done here several times), if it's a mechanical error,
a die error, a die variety, etc. etc. etc. It fits into one
of those catagories, but as a general term, IT'S AN ERROR.
Come on Fred, that's not fair.
To you everything is an error!!
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"America suffers today from too much pluribus and not enough unum.".....Arthur Schlesinger Jr.
<< <i>Of course it's an 'error'.
Unless you can convince me that the Mint purposely
makes the obverse and reverse dies come together
without a planchet between them, with a force of
50-70 tons, on purpose, it's then obviously an error.
The term Error, imo, covers everything wrong with a
coin or planchet. You can easily discuss (and it's been
done here several times), if it's a mechanical error,
a die error, a die variety, etc. etc. etc. It fits into one
of those catagories, but as a general term, IT'S AN ERROR. >>
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Of course it's an 'error'.
Unless you can convince me that the Mint purposely
makes the obverse and reverse dies come together
without a planchet between them, with a force of
50-70 tons, on purpose, it's then obviously an error.
The term Error, imo, covers everything wrong with a
coin or planchet. You can easily discuss (and it's been
done here several times), if it's a mechanical error,
a die error, a die variety, etc. etc. etc. It fits into one
of those catagories, but as a general term, IT'S AN ERROR. >>
Fred if you are going to use a definition that broad, of course everything is going to fall under the term "error." However, it is so broad that I could turn your post around to read it as a "variety" and it would make perfect sense too. Just like this:
The term Variety, imo, covers everything wrong with a
coin or planchet. You can easily discuss (and it's been
done here several times), if it's a mechanical error,
a die error, a die variety, etc. etc. etc. It fits into one
of those categories, but as a general term, IT'S A VARIETY.
Now let's agree to disagree.
Did the Mint intend to purposely clash the dies together? No, it was an accident, but continuing to use them after the clash rather than lapping it off was a decision not an accident.
is a broad classification,
that covers everything.
Then, you can divide the catagories
into Die Errors, and Mechanical Errors,
and Planchet Errors, and ...............
And, as far as the die clash, THAT's an error.
Whether the Mint wants to continue using the
dies or not does not remove the 'die clash'
from being an error.
Don't forget, the Mint struck thousands of
1955 Doubled Die Cents, and then,
ON PURPOSE, released them into circulation.
That does NOT mean that they are NOT errors,
just because the Mint purposely released ERROR coins.
Yes, the 1955 Doubled Die Cent is an ERROR coin.(as a general term)
Then, it's classified as a Die Error, which is is.
<< <i>Did the Mint intend to purposely clash the dies together? No, it was an accident, but continuing to use them after the clash rather than lapping it off was a decision not an accident. >>
They may have not have immediately noticed that the dies were clashed and, once discovered, immediately lapped the dies to remove the clash marks or just retired the dies.
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Uhmmm - no, they shouldn't.
<< <i>Yes, the 1955 Doubled Die Cent is an ERROR coin.(as a general term) Then, it's classified as a Die Error, which is is. >>
You are right. The DIE is an error. The coins produced from that doubled die though, ALIMO, should only be considered errors if they DON"T exhibit the doubling.
Again, I readily admit to a lack of experience as to errors. Just going on what makes sense to a hard-headed old fat guy.
Something else that I haven't done in this thread is state that I like the OP's coin quite a bit. Looks to be a nice A and R half.
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