Lincoln experts: Real or Fake 1909-S VDB

TexasNationals · May 28, 2009 5:13AM

Shots take under 60x

57loaded · May 28, 2009 5:16AM

counterfeit mintmark

stinkinlincoln · May 28, 2009 5:17AM

Looks ok, but the pics could be better.

stinkinlincoln · May 28, 2009 5:18AM

<<counterfeit mintmark>>

Do you mean an added mintmark, or an outright fake mintmark?

STONE · May 28, 2009 5:19AM

The mintmark is not the correct style

pheh · May 28, 2009 5:22AM

<< <i>counterfeit mintmark >>

What he said.

57loaded · May 28, 2009 5:23AM

<< <i><<counterfeit mintmark>>

Do you mean an added mintmark, or an outright fake mintmark? >>

added, i guess, counterfeit for the 09-S VDB

stinkinlincoln · May 28, 2009 5:26AM

Got it. What do you guys think the host date was?

renomedphys · May 28, 2009 5:28AM

S should have the squared-off serif. "FAKE" just jumps out at you.

Bcsican · May 28, 2009 5:29AM

VDB looks added on and crude job at that...

Wiscane · May 28, 2009 5:36AM

Not an expert ...but I don't like the ends of the mint mark "S" and left portion of "B" in VDB

Made in China ?

PerryHall · May 28, 2009 5:38AM

The real S mintmark has a die chip inside the upper loop. This one doesn't.

commoncents05 · May 28, 2009 5:48AM

Counterfeit mintmark. This side by side comparison may help. Real one on the left, fake one on the right. Notice how the serifs on the S are nearly parallel on the real one.

-Paul

stinkinlincoln · May 28, 2009 5:52AM

The side by side makes it really clear now. Thanks for the comparison.

fugnchill · May 28, 2009 5:59AM

Might want to add that the right side of the V of VDB should be fat on top and skinny on the bottom where it meets the left side.

Lestrrr

GrumpyEd · May 28, 2009 6:02AM

I think it's a 1909-P VDB with an added S if not a total fake.
The S is the wrong style for an S VDB, the VDB looks real but it's the dot location for a P not an S.

VDB dot location on 1909-P VDB and 1909-S VDB is different:

A real S VDB has an S with serrifs that are almost parallel with the sides of the S (the lower serif should not extend beyond it) and there's a chip/bump in the upper loop (didn't catch it well in this pic).

The S used on 1909-S VDB cents:

Fake S (added S) on a 1909-P VDB. (looks a lot like yours)

adamlaneus · May 28, 2009 6:05AM

These threads are depressingly fascinating.

lasvegasteddy · May 28, 2009 6:11AM

i love these threads but hope texas isn't out nothing

mikeyg · May 28, 2009 6:31AM

wow my thanks to everyone who responded and gave me a good education.Never would have known about the position of the dots on V.D.B. s cents and the s itself.

InternetJunky · May 28, 2009 6:35AM

<< <i>Not an expert ...but I don't like the ends of the mint mark "S" and left portion of "B" in VDB

Both stood out to me as well. The B jumped out more for me than the S though.

Gemineye · May 28, 2009 7:47AM

Very informative...

ziggy29 · May 28, 2009 7:49AM

Just another reminder that you've got to REALLY know what you're doing to buy key dates raw.

TexasNationals · May 28, 2009 8:54AM

Not mine, a dealers who thought it was a fake along with me but was curious due to the cud in the B of LIBERTY

Lincoln experts: Real or Fake 1909-S VDB

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