<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point.
No kidding. I know of a couple guys around here who will jump off a building if that happens. Though I find those two Pujols fanatics very annoying I actually hope Pujols is clean. Would be nice for there to be one clean superstar in this era. Only time will tell.... >>
You never rest with your stupidity, do you? Can you not make a comment about Pujols without having to pop off uncalled for cheap shots? It's beyond juvenile anymore..
<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point.
No kidding. I know of a couple guys around here who will jump off a building if that happens. Though I find those two Pujols fanatics very annoying I actually hope Pujols is clean. Would be nice for there to be one clean superstar in this era. Only time will tell.... >>
I agree. I'm a Cardinals fan and a Pujols fan (although I'm not as obsessed as some on here...) and it would kill me if he tests positive. I grew up as an A's fan (mostly for Canseco and McGwire) and it really sucks to have a hero become the villian.
Chris >>
Chris,
You know what's funny, you pop off nonsense like you just did, yet, you are a fan of Pujols just as I am. You are no different than I or the next Pujols fan. All it means is that you like the guy and enjoy what he does on a baseball diamond. A fan is a fan, whether it's of a certain team or specific player. Maybe one day the hypocrites on this board will see they are no better/different than the next guy, because we are ALL fans of a player or team, or we would not be on this board, or in this hobby.
Pujols is a great player that I enjoy watching play baseball. That's it. I find it so ignorant that you guys have to pop off cheap remarks just to fit in and "be cool" around here. This place is pointless anymore.
In a wierd way this may be good in the long run. While PED have definitely influenced the game, it is clear that the competitive landscape in baseball at the time may have demanded that players use these drugs.
MLB should release the 103 players who test positive and then the players from this era can be fairly judged against their peers.
The stance that none of these players should be in the HOF is a joke. If the writers continue to do this, we could have 5-7 years where no one gets into the HOF.
The only HOF level players left from that era (late 1980's to 2003) that are suspected are Griffey, Frank Thomas, Chipper, and Greg Maddux. Maybe Glavine, Smoltz, and Randy Johnson.
In terms of power hitters, the entire generation is suspect until proven otherwise.
They need to either disclose the 103 player list and move on or keep it confidential and deem the players uneligable for the HOF. To prevent confusion they should just disclose the positive juicers.
In no way shape or form should these guys be allowed into the HOF, the ripple affect caused by there enhancement is probably frightening, comparible to a disease that spread like wildfire in order to survive or stay competitive in MLB.
If Pete Rose was banished for his sins then PED abusers should be put in the same light.
It should no longer be about selling tickets or the financial aspect of the game, historical integrity (Records), Past HOF's, respect for the game, respect to those younger players working hard to get into MLB.
Juicers should not be tolerated, Get it out of the game quickly for the sake of our baseball future.
It's unfair to the players of the past that worked hard to become the greats they were. I still think that this opens the doors for past players that have yet to get that ticket to the HOF.I do hope some of today's greats aren't on that list.
<< <i>If only it was as easy as taking a cycle or two of steroids to make it to HOF type numbers and make millions while at it... >>
You're right...these are already great ball players who tried to get ahead for the love of $$, greed of some sort.
Imagine all of the other players who weren't so great juicing just to make the cut....what kind of message is this bringing to the future of MLB Baseball?
You ask anyone who has personally taken PED's it does make a huge difference plain and simple, day in day out performance it's the perfect key to consistency in a lengthy MLB season.
I've seen a handful of fellow athletes and friends growing up who got a huge boost from PED's, the results are shocking.
Might as well hand every hitter in MLB a corked bat, or let em use aluminum bats, it's probably comparible to juicing.
<< <i>It's unfair to the players of the past that worked hard to become the greats they were. I still think that this opens the doors for past players that have yet to get that ticket to the HOF.I do hope some of today's greats aren't on that list. >>
<< <i>That is way I no longer collect shiny, new, pretty baseball cards and only collect vintage cards. Bonds and Sosa burned me years ago and at that time I vowed never to collect cards from anyone from this generation of cheaters. Stick with vintage cards from the "golden era" of baseball and you will never go wrong!!--you'll sleep better at night also.... >>
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Some if not all of these steroid users should view tapes of Lyle Alzado and others to see what steroid use can do - Maybe that would convince some of them to lay off this juice, but then again maybe not.
Doubt the Sox? Shoot they send their juicers out of town at just the right time (bad publicity or breaking down). I fully believe the teams know who is on what and use that info internally to know when to sever ties.
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<< <i>It's unfair to the players of the past that worked hard to become the greats they were. I still think that this opens the doors for past players that have yet to get that ticket to the HOF.I do hope some of today's greats aren't on that list. >>
How do we truly know the past greats were totally legit...It's already come out the the Pittsburg Steelers players used PED's during the 70's so why would baseball be any different. I'm sure it was much more wide spread during the 70's and 80's but out of control during the 90's til recently.
<< <i>this is the story of ManRam who was havin' some trouble with man jam he thought he be nifty instead he got fifty......
......screw the limericking, does anyone still doubt the Red Sox?
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Oh, ManRam thought it was a bummer, How he couldn't get up for a hummer, But the drugs that he took, Made Bud give him the hook, Now he's stuck playing golf for the summer.
<< <i>Some if not all of these steroid users should view tapes of Lyle Alzado and others to see what steroid use can do - Maybe that would convince some of them to lay off this juice, but then again maybe not. >>
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Hi Steve,
Unfortunately, most of these users are just young men with the brains of young boys. When you're young, you're invincable! You never think anything bad will happen to you. I'd say it's the same mind-set that young tobacco users have thinking that only old people get cancer from smoking etc. The Alzado tapes would probably have the same effectiveness on roiders that the DUI videos do that are shown to High School Prom goers.
Big Money is the name of the game nowadays! Sadly, these athletes, who only a fews years ago were just boys playing a sport they loved, have gradually become obsessed with greed, which in turn has created an "I'll do anything to succeed" attitude. Their natural competitiveness has been insensitized by the almighty dollar.
I often wonder what baseball (and other sports) would be like today, had PADs/Steroids not been born?
<< <i>this is the story of ManRam who was havin' some trouble with man jam he thought he be nifty instead he got fifty......
......screw the limericking, does anyone still doubt the Red Sox?
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Oh, ManRam thought it was a bummer, How he couldn't get up for a hummer, But the drugs that he took, Made Bud give him the hook, Now he's stuck playing golf for the summer. >>
The fact of the matter is every ballplayer is suspect.
Sad but true. Even the icons, Jeter, Pujols, Wright etc, EVERYONE.
Steve >>
You may be right...I never thought ARod juiced but we know how that worked out. I have hopes Griffey and Thome are clean....I am starting to wonder about our (one time) slugger here in Cleveland, Travis Hafner. Early last year when testing started in earnest he went on the disabled list for most of the year. This year he weighs about 1/2 of what he used to (just a slight exaggeration) and is back on the disabled list already.
Steve and PoppaJ, I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?
<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point. >>
I'm not a Card's fan in any way, but Pujols has been tested dozens of times since his minor league days, and back then the minors were harder on roids than the MLB. I think it had something to do with the MLBPA keeping the standards lax while the minors tried to lock it down. Anyway, I think Pujols is clean along with many other players of this new generation. Manny was a hold over from the 90's lax roid days. I think Griffey, Thomas and Thome, the most recent 500 HR guys are clean. They have had their same stuff since day one but age has also taken its toll on them. Sheffield we know took roids, and I think the next guy who is going to make the 500 HR club, Carlos Delgado, took roids also. I also think Andruw Jones took roids, BIG TIME! Talk about a former moster at the plate who fell off a power cliff! Thinking about Andruw Jones gets me thinking about Chipper Jones. I think Chipper is clean, but if it came out tomorrow that he used, I could see it with all his injuries, but I think Chipper's injuries are just the fact that he can kind of be a puss and would rather just sit it out since Bobby C will let him get away with it. I say this as a HUGE Braves fan and I love Chipper, but sometimes he deserves to be called out! Now you have some of the new HR guys like Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard and Prince Fielder who in my opinion are just BIG BOYS who hit BOMBS! Still, in all of this, I love baseball. I still like Manny. Gotta give him some style points for his laid back, go with the flow atttitude. I'm still going to collect modern stuff, but I'm going to collect it because I like the player. If I end up collecting someone who took roids and it comes out, then I'll have to see how I feel about it at that point before I'd jump off a cliff and say I'm going to dump their stuff if they took roids. People still collect McGwire, Clemens, Sosa and Bonds and always will, because they were stars. They might not make the Hall, but they'll always have fans! The only guy who I think really took a hit collecting wise was Palmiero, and that's because he was a quiet guy, and kind of a jerk, and no one was interested in him before or after his whole roids episode. We'll see what the future holds for these players and others to be named later!
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"I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?'
The wiki excerpt below speaks to the brain tumor question.
John Stossel will address the issue tomorrow on 20/20. (He favors the legalization of most drugs, and agrees, likely correctly, that LA's brain tumor was probably not caused by steroids.)
Mostly, it would be safest to say, "There is no proof that the brain tumor was caused by steroids."
wiki..
Misconception about Steroids and Brain Tumor
Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but every single one of his physicians stated it could not possibly be true, and that while steroid's do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
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<< <i>Steve and PoppaJ, I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?
James >>
Well, Alzado had emphatically stated that the steroids caused his illness...and yes I have read about the conflicting reports. I would have to believe Alzado - I mean it was his body and his doctors who consulted closely with him.
Bottom line - even if the steroids didn't "technically" cause Alzado's brain cancer, there is no doubt in my mind that it was a contributing factor. I'm not comparing the two, but technically no one ever died from the AIDS virus itself, but the AIDS virus compromises the body's immune system which causes certain terminal cancers and other problems to occur, that normally the body would easily fight off. Likely, it's the same thing with steroids that these drugs compromise the body's system in various ways, enabling certain diseases to occur which in a normal body probably wouldn't.
<< <i>Some if not all of these steroid users should view tapes of Lyle Alzado and others to see what steroid use can do - Maybe that would convince some of them to lay off this juice, but then again maybe not. >>
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Hi Steve,
Unfortunately, most of these users are just young men with the brains of young boys. When you're young, you're invincable! You never think anything bad will happen to you. I'd say it's the same mind-set that young tobacco users have thinking that only old people get cancer from smoking etc. The Alzado tapes would probably have the same effectiveness on roiders that the DUI videos do that are shown to High School Prom goers.
Big Money is the name of the game nowadays! Sadly, these athletes, who only a fews years ago were just boys playing a sport they loved, have gradually become obsessed with greed, which in turn has created an "I'll do anything to succeed" attitude. Their natural competitiveness has been insensitized by the almighty dollar.
I often wonder what baseball (and other sports) would be like today, had PADs/Steroids not been born?
PoppaJ >>
I'm not going to mention the school, but a high school student I know told me a number of times that PED drugs were "rampant" on some of the sports teams...and it just so happens that a few years ago one of these high school students was signed to a MLB contract for around $500,000 - Certainly you're right in that a sum such as $500,000 is a lot of incentive to a young man, and of course young people often feel like they're gonna live forever, and while they probably realize the problems involved with steroids, likely their train of thought is they'll use them for awhile, make the money, and get off them before the steroids can do any lasting damage. Unfortunately, guys like Bonds, Clemens, etc, have shown that even though they have all the money they need, there's nothing like the "high" of hitting a home run to a cheering crowd, or striking out a batter in a key situation - and they don't want that to end.
Ty Cobb, one of my favorite players, had the basic idea that baseball is a rough and tough game and of course he played it that way, and he somewhat distained the homerun and preferred the natural beauty of the game of "manufacturing" runs thru strategy, etc, rather than the long ball - likely the game would have been more like that whereby a homerun was something special rather than somewhat routine when Bonds hit 73 and a number of other batters were hitting 50 or more. ..and even "utility" type players were hitting a number of homeruns.
Effects of roids maybe? Still, you have to think innocent until proven guilty. All the players deserve that much.
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<< <i>"I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?'
The wiki excerpt below speaks to the brain tumor question.
John Stossel will address the issue tomorrow on 20/20. (He favors the legalization of most drugs, and agrees, likely correctly, that LA's brain tumor was probably not caused by steroids.)
Mostly, it would be safest to say, "There is no proof that the brain tumor was caused by steroids."
wiki..
Misconception about Steroids and Brain Tumor
Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but every single one of his physicians stated it could not possibly be true, and that while steroid's do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
About 93% of folks who smoke cigs never develop lung cancer.
About 93% of folks who develop lung cancer, smoked cigs. >>
What are some of the side effects of steroid use? A build-up of steroids upsets the body’s internal balance, and side effects occur when the body begins to compensate to eliminate the excess steroids or hormones. Steroid abuse can cause stunted growth in adolescents, con-tinuous headaches, bone pain, nausea, and changes in bowel and urinary patterns. An unexpected side effect is that steroid use can weaken the tendons, placing athletes at risk of serious injury.
Cardiovascular System: Enlargement of the heart, a precursor to heart failure; high blood pressure; atherosclerosis or hardening of the arteries, a precursor to coronary heart disease; elevated cholesterol levels; heart palpitations; heart attack; stroke; anaphylactic and septic shock. Reproductive System: In males, excess testosterone is converted to the female hormone estrogen which causes the development of female characteristics. For instance, men experience prostate enlargement, sterility, sexual dysfunction, baldness, breast enlargement, and testicular atrophy. Excess testosterone in females has the opposite effect, causing menstrual irregularities, deepening of the voice, baldness, fetal damage, hair growth on other parts of the body, sexual dysfunction, sterility, reduction of breasts, and genital swelling. Vital Organs: Prolonged heavy use of steroids can permanently damage the liver, causing cancer, jaundice, bleeding, and hepatitis. Steroids can impair the kidneys leading to kidney stones and kidney disease.
Can steroids cause death? Yes. Steroid-related fatalities occur as a result of suicide, homicide, liver disease, heart attack, and cancer.
Are there other problems associated with steroid use? Problem users may lose interest in daily activities and report loss of energy and boredom. They may have a hard time limiting their use, may build a tolerance to steroids requiring larger amounts to get the muscle-building effects, and may develop problems with their jobs and personal relation-ships. Steroid use can also cause a phenomenon called “male anorexia” where users experience dissatisfaction with their body image and do not notice changes that are apparent to others.
How long do steroids stay in the user’s body? Oral steroids can be detected up to several weeks after use, while injected steroids can be detected for several months after use.
Are adolescents at-risk? Teenage and young adult males who participate in athletics are at particular risk for abusing steroids because they believe that steroids can help them enhance their physical performance and their appearance. Ironically, teens are at particular risk of harming their health and permanently changing their appearance in ways they do not expect -- acne, stunted growth, female characteristics (in boys), and male characteristics (in girls). Research also shows that the earlier people start using drugs, the more likely they are to go on to experiment with other dangerous drugs. Athletes who use steroids risk discovery and exclusion from sports activities.
Who's next? ...Thome, Griffey, Pujos, Sheffield, Howard, Pedroia, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, ect... >>
If news breaks out about PED's with one or more of these names ....Griffey, Jeter, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc ..... I'll NEVER watch baseball again.
storm888 That the show when I first saw that, it pi$$ed me off when I found out that people said Lyle Alzado death was caused by steroid and it just isn't so.
In the show they said that if people, that take care of there health and use the right steroid and the right dose that they can live a longer and more healthy productive life compared to those who just keep themselfs in healthy.
Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into a monster.
"...Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into a monster...."
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I know many folks claim that the drugs are "good for you."
I dunno if that's true/false.
I do know the drugs cause seemingly "unnatural" changes to humans.
BUT, the issue is not good/bad. The issue is that the athletes using the drugs are CHEATING, according to the rules.
As long as big biznez makes money off the cheaters, the health effects, if any, on the athletes will only be of interest in an academic sense.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>"...Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into a monster...."
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I know many folks claim that the drugs are "good for you."
I dunno if that's true/false.
I do know the drugs cause seemingly "unnatural" changes to humans.
BUT, the issue is not good/bad. The issue is that the athletes using the drugs are CHEATING, according to the rules.
As long as big biznez makes money off the cheaters, the health effects, if any, on the athletes will only be of interest in an academic sense. >>
Why Steroids Are Bad for You The 411 on Steroids' 911 By Daniel J. DeNoon WebMD Health NewsMarch 16, 2005 - If it makes athletes muscular and powerful, can steroids really be all that bad for you?
In your heart of hearts, you know steroid abuse can't be good. And your heart is telling you the truth. Even when used to treat medical conditions, anabolic steroids have all kinds of common side effects.
What, exactly, is so bad about steroids? WebMD is here with the FAQ.
What Are Steroids? Don't confuse anabolic steroids with corticosteroids, warns physiatrist Kenneth Mautner, MD, of Emory University. Anabolic steroids are used to build up muscle. Corticosteroids are used to dampen overactive immune responses and reduce swelling.
The anabolic steroids abused by athletes are synthetic versions of testosterone, a male hormone. Both men and women naturally produce testosterone. But like all hormones -- which regulate the body's most basic functions -- throwing one's testosterone out of balance can have wide-ranging consequences.
Why Do Doctors Prescribe Steroids? Doctors prescribe anabolic steroids to treat certain specific medical conditions. For example, they may be used to treat the muscle wasting seen in AIDS. Steroids may also be used to treat delayed puberty or loss of testicular function.
Mautner notes that doctors are not allowed to prescribe steroids to enhance a person's athletic performance.
Are Steroids Illegal? Yes. Without a doctor's prescription for a medical condition, it's against the law to possess, sell, or distribute anabolic steroids.
Legal prosecution can be a serious side effect of illicit steroid use. Under federal law, first-time simple possession of anabolic steroids carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. For first-offense trafficking in steroids, the maximum penalty is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000. Second offenses double this penalty. In addition to federal penalties, state laws also prohibit illegal anabolic steroid use.
Anabolic steroids are powerful hormones. They affect the entire body. Some of the side effects are common to all users. Other side effects are specifically related to your sex and age.
Men who take anabolic steroids may:
Develop breasts Get painful erections Have their testicles shrink Have decreased sperm count Become infertile Become impotent
Women who take anabolic steroids may:
Grow excessive face and body hair Have their voices deepen Experience menstrual irregularities Have an enlarged clitoris Have reduced breast size Have a masculinized female fetus
Both men and women who take anabolic steroids may:
Get acne Have an oily scalp and skin Get yellowing of the skin (jaundice) Become bald Have tendon rupture Have heart attacks Have an enlarged heart Develop significant risk of liver disease and liver cancer Have high levels of "bad" cholesterol Have mood swings Fly into rages Suffer delusions
Teens who take anabolic steroids may:
Have short height due to arrested bone growth Girls may suffer long-term masculinization
Since steroids are often taken by injections, there is also the risk of getting HIV or hepatitis infection from an unsterile needle or syringe.
"There are a lot of side effects of steroids," Mautner tells WebMD. "They are not good for you. It is like Russian roulette. Five people may take them and have no long-term problem. The sixth may end up dead."
Jose Canseco was interviewed on Fox Sports Radio's Myers & Hartman show today. He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols. You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
<< <i>Jose Canseco was interviewed on Fox Sports Radio's Myers & Hartman show today. He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols. You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
Nick >>
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He sounded EXTREMELY truthful, to me.
The additional players are not named in the media-player version.
You may need to download the podcast stuff to get the full interview.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
<< <i>Jose Canseco was interviewed on Fox Sports Radio's Myers & Hartman show today. He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols. You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
Nick >>
If Canseco said it, you can almost take it to the bank. Dude's life is a walking dumpster fire, but it's been proven time and time again that he knows what he's talking about.
As a Dodger fan, I'm sickened, disappointed and downright pissed about Manny's fall. Sickened because of what he's brought to my beloved Bums: excitement, credibility, talent, wins, relevance. Disappointed because he's the latest in a long (and becoming longer) line of superstar baseball players that has selfishly and stupidly tarnished their baseball legacy and brought shame to a wonderful game. Pissed because of what he's done to his team and his team's fans. A wonderful group of young talent absolutely looked up to him and fed off of his energy and charisma. As I stated early in this thread, now we'll find out just how good this young Dodger team is. I hope they are up to the test. As I write this, they aren't responding so well, although it wouldn't be Manny's fault the bullpen has given up 11 runs since the 6th inning.
What a bummer this is. I can't wait until this whole PED phase of baseball is over.
"...What a bummer this is. I can't wait until this whole PED phase of baseball is over..."
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The commish can speed that day along by releasing the 103-name list IN THE MORNING.
If the players don't like it, he should just say, "Let's litigate."
Withholding that list is a de facto coverup.
One big fire is sometimes easier to manage than 100 smaller ones. MLB fears that the fans can't take all the bad news at once; that is a terrible way to manage this kind of crisis.
Get the news out there, admit the problem is bad, and ASSURE us that a final solution is being implemented. Pretending there is not a big problem - while revealing a little problem every few months - is a recipe for the scandal to last for decades.
The ONLY way to put it behind us, is to DEAL WITH IT NOW.
Or, for the next 20-years, Canseco can pop-up every few months to add color commentary to the longest funeral in history.
Folks Who Bite Get Bitten. Folks Who Don't Bite Get Eaten.
storm - thanks for bringing up the point that I meant to include in my rambling. Baseball will be better off with the public (you know, the one that allows these overgrown kids to earn the ridiculous money they "earn") knowing that list now, rather than having it trickle out little by little. Release it now, release it later, release it in doses - it's still gonna be released.
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<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point.
No kidding. I know of a couple guys around here who will jump off a building if that happens. Though I find those two Pujols fanatics very annoying I actually hope Pujols is clean. Would be nice for there to be one clean superstar in this era. Only time will tell.... >>
You never rest with your stupidity, do you? Can you not make a comment about Pujols without having to pop off uncalled for cheap shots? It's beyond juvenile anymore..
The fact of the matter is every ballplayer is suspect.
Sad but true. Even the icons, Jeter, Pujols, Wright etc, EVERYONE.
Steve
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<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point.
No kidding. I know of a couple guys around here who will jump off a building if that happens. Though I find those two Pujols fanatics very annoying I actually hope Pujols is clean. Would be nice for there to be one clean superstar in this era. Only time will tell.... >>
I agree. I'm a Cardinals fan and a Pujols fan (although I'm not as obsessed as some on here...) and it would kill me if he tests positive. I grew up as an A's fan (mostly for Canseco and McGwire) and it really sucks to have a hero become the villian.
Chris >>
Chris,
You know what's funny, you pop off nonsense like you just did, yet, you are a fan of Pujols just as I am. You are no different than I or the next Pujols fan. All it means is that you like the guy and enjoy what he does on a baseball diamond. A fan is a fan, whether it's of a certain team or specific player. Maybe one day the hypocrites on this board will see they are no better/different than the next guy, because we are ALL fans of a player or team, or we would not be on this board, or in this hobby.
Pujols is a great player that I enjoy watching play baseball. That's it. I find it so ignorant that you guys have to pop off cheap remarks just to fit in and "be cool" around here. This place is pointless anymore.
MLB should release the 103 players who test positive and then the players from this era can be fairly judged against their peers.
The stance that none of these players should be in the HOF is a joke. If the writers continue to do this, we could have 5-7 years where no one gets into the HOF.
The only HOF level players left from that era (late 1980's to 2003) that are suspected are Griffey, Frank Thomas, Chipper, and Greg Maddux. Maybe Glavine, Smoltz, and Randy Johnson.
In terms of power hitters, the entire generation is suspect until proven otherwise.
<< <i>Tim
The fact of the matter is every ballplayer is suspect.
Sad but true. Even the icons, Jeter, Pujols, Wright etc, EVERYONE.
Steve >>
That's not the point I was making.
Steve
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To prevent confusion they should just disclose the positive juicers.
In no way shape or form should these guys be allowed into the HOF, the ripple affect caused by there enhancement is probably frightening, comparible to a disease that spread like wildfire in order to survive or stay competitive in MLB.
If Pete Rose was banished for his sins then PED abusers should be put in the same light.
It should no longer be about selling tickets or the financial aspect of the game, historical integrity (Records), Past HOF's, respect for the game, respect to those younger players working hard to get into MLB.
Juicers should not be tolerated, Get it out of the game quickly for the sake of our baseball future.
This is not WWE wrestling.
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<< <i>If only it was as easy as taking a cycle or two of steroids to make it to HOF type numbers and make millions while at it... >>
You're right...these are already great ball players who tried to get ahead for the love of $$, greed of some sort.
Imagine all of the other players who weren't so great juicing just to make the cut....what kind of message is this bringing to the future of MLB Baseball?
You ask anyone who has personally taken PED's it does make a huge difference plain and simple, day in day out performance it's the perfect key to consistency in a lengthy MLB season.
I've seen a handful of fellow athletes and friends growing up who got a huge boost from PED's, the results are shocking.
Might as well hand every hitter in MLB a corked bat, or let em use aluminum bats, it's probably comparible to juicing.
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It's straight sandbagging as you would with altering your tools of the game.
It drives me crazy to think we still let these ball players play the very game they cheated.
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<< <i>It's unfair to the players of the past that worked hard to become the greats they were. I still think that this opens the doors for past players that have yet to get that ticket to the HOF.I do hope some of today's greats aren't on that list. >>
He went from a good player to a great player. 2 years later when he was no longer on the meds
he reverted back to his normal self. At the time I never put 2 and 2 together, it was only after I thought about
it did it dawn on me.
It can make good players great.
Sad.
Steve
<< <i>That is way I no longer collect shiny, new, pretty baseball cards and only collect vintage cards. Bonds and Sosa burned me years ago and at that time I vowed never to collect cards from anyone from this generation of cheaters. Stick with vintage cards from the "golden era" of baseball and you will never go wrong!!--you'll sleep better at night also.... >>
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who was havin' some trouble with man jam
he thought he be nifty
instead he got fifty......
......screw the limericking, does anyone still doubt the Red Sox?
<< <i>I am disapointed in Manny. Another black eye for Americas past time. >>
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<< <i>It's unfair to the players of the past that worked hard to become the greats they were. I still think that this opens the doors for past players that have yet to get that ticket to the HOF.I do hope some of today's greats aren't on that list. >>
How do we truly know the past greats were totally legit...It's already come out the the Pittsburg Steelers players used PED's during the 70's so why would baseball be any different. I'm sure it was much more wide spread during the 70's and 80's but out of control during the 90's til recently.
<< <i>this is the story of ManRam
who was havin' some trouble with man jam
he thought he be nifty
instead he got fifty......
......screw the limericking, does anyone still doubt the Red Sox?
Oh, ManRam thought it was a bummer,
How he couldn't get up for a hummer,
But the drugs that he took,
Made Bud give him the hook,
Now he's stuck playing golf for the summer.
<< <i>Some if not all of these steroid users should view tapes of Lyle Alzado and others to see what steroid use can do - Maybe that would convince some of them to lay off this juice, but then again maybe not. >>
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Hi Steve,
Unfortunately, most of these users are just young men with the brains of young boys. When you're young, you're invincable! You never think anything bad will happen to you. I'd say it's the same mind-set that young tobacco users have thinking that only old people get cancer from smoking etc. The Alzado tapes would probably have the same effectiveness on roiders that the DUI videos do that are shown to High School Prom goers.
Big Money is the name of the game nowadays! Sadly, these athletes, who only a fews years ago were just boys playing a sport they loved, have gradually become obsessed with greed, which in turn has created an "I'll do anything to succeed" attitude. Their natural competitiveness has been insensitized by the almighty dollar.
I often wonder what baseball (and other sports) would be like today, had PADs/Steroids not been born?
PoppaJ
<< <i>
<< <i>this is the story of ManRam
who was havin' some trouble with man jam
he thought he be nifty
instead he got fifty......
......screw the limericking, does anyone still doubt the Red Sox?
Oh, ManRam thought it was a bummer,
How he couldn't get up for a hummer,
But the drugs that he took,
Made Bud give him the hook,
Now he's stuck playing golf for the summer. >>
ZING!
<< <i>Tim
The fact of the matter is every ballplayer is suspect.
Sad but true. Even the icons, Jeter, Pujols, Wright etc, EVERYONE.
Steve >>
You may be right...I never thought ARod juiced but we know how that worked out. I have hopes Griffey and Thome are clean....I am starting to wonder about our (one time) slugger here in Cleveland, Travis Hafner. Early last year when testing started in earnest he went on the disabled list for most of the year. This year he weighs about 1/2 of what he used to (just a slight exaggeration) and is back on the disabled list already.
I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that
steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?
James
<< <i>PED's. I know all of the Cardinals fans on here are hopeful, but I think that Pujols will come out at some point. >>
I'm not a Card's fan in any way, but Pujols has been tested dozens of times since his minor league days, and back then the minors were harder on roids than the MLB. I think it had something to do with the MLBPA keeping the standards lax while the minors tried to lock it down. Anyway, I think Pujols is clean along with many other players of this new generation. Manny was a hold over from the 90's lax roid days. I think Griffey, Thomas and Thome, the most recent 500 HR guys are clean. They have had their same stuff since day one but age has also taken its toll on them. Sheffield we know took roids, and I think the next guy who is going to make the 500 HR club, Carlos Delgado, took roids also. I also think Andruw Jones took roids, BIG TIME! Talk about a former moster at the plate who fell off a power cliff! Thinking about Andruw Jones gets me thinking about Chipper Jones. I think Chipper is clean, but if it came out tomorrow that he used, I could see it with all his injuries, but I think Chipper's injuries are just the fact that he can kind of be a puss and would rather just sit it out since Bobby C will let him get away with it. I say this as a HUGE Braves fan and I love Chipper, but sometimes he deserves to be called out! Now you have some of the new HR guys like Adam Dunn, Ryan Howard and Prince Fielder who in my opinion are just BIG BOYS who hit BOMBS! Still, in all of this, I love baseball. I still like Manny. Gotta give him some style points for his laid back, go with the flow atttitude. I'm still going to collect modern stuff, but I'm going to collect it because I like the player. If I end up collecting someone who took roids and it comes out, then I'll have to see how I feel about it at that point before I'd jump off a cliff and say I'm going to dump their stuff if they took roids. People still collect McGwire, Clemens, Sosa and Bonds and always will, because they were stars. They might not make the Hall, but they'll always have fans! The only guy who I think really took a hit collecting wise was Palmiero, and that's because he was a quiet guy, and kind of a jerk, and no one was interested in him before or after his whole roids episode. We'll see what the future holds for these players and others to be named later!
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"I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that
steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?'
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The wiki excerpt below speaks to the brain tumor question.
John Stossel will address the issue tomorrow on 20/20.
(He favors the legalization of most drugs, and agrees,
likely correctly, that LA's brain tumor was probably not
caused by steroids.)
Mostly, it would be safest to say, "There is no proof that
the brain tumor was caused by steroids."
wiki..
Misconception about Steroids and Brain Tumor
Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but every single one of his physicians stated it could not possibly be true, and that while steroid's do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
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About 93% of folks who smoke cigs never develop lung cancer.
About 93% of folks who develop lung cancer, smoked cigs.
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<< <i>Steve and PoppaJ,
I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that
steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?
James >>
Well, Alzado had emphatically stated that the steroids caused his illness...and yes I have read about the conflicting reports. I would have to believe Alzado - I mean it was his body and his doctors who consulted closely with him.
Bottom line - even if the steroids didn't "technically" cause Alzado's brain cancer, there is no doubt in my mind that it was a contributing factor. I'm not comparing the two, but technically no one ever died from the AIDS virus itself, but the AIDS virus compromises the body's immune system which causes certain terminal cancers and other problems to occur, that normally the body would easily fight off. Likely, it's the same thing with steroids that these drugs compromise the body's system in various ways, enabling certain diseases to occur which in a normal body probably wouldn't.
<< <i>
<< <i>Some if not all of these steroid users should view tapes of Lyle Alzado and others to see what steroid use can do - Maybe that would convince some of them to lay off this juice, but then again maybe not. >>
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Hi Steve,
Unfortunately, most of these users are just young men with the brains of young boys. When you're young, you're invincable! You never think anything bad will happen to you. I'd say it's the same mind-set that young tobacco users have thinking that only old people get cancer from smoking etc. The Alzado tapes would probably have the same effectiveness on roiders that the DUI videos do that are shown to High School Prom goers.
Big Money is the name of the game nowadays! Sadly, these athletes, who only a fews years ago were just boys playing a sport they loved, have gradually become obsessed with greed, which in turn has created an "I'll do anything to succeed" attitude. Their natural competitiveness has been insensitized by the almighty dollar.
I often wonder what baseball (and other sports) would be like today, had PADs/Steroids not been born?
PoppaJ >>
I'm not going to mention the school, but a high school student I know told me a number of times that PED drugs were "rampant" on some of the sports teams...and it just so happens that a few years ago one of these high school students was signed to a MLB contract for around $500,000 - Certainly you're right in that a sum such as $500,000 is a lot of incentive to a young man, and of course young people often feel like they're gonna live forever, and while they probably realize the problems involved with steroids, likely their train of thought is they'll use them for awhile, make the money, and get off them before the steroids can do any lasting damage. Unfortunately, guys like Bonds, Clemens, etc, have shown that even though they have all the money they need, there's nothing like the "high" of hitting a home run to a cheering crowd, or striking out a batter in a key situation - and they don't want that to end.
Ty Cobb, one of my favorite players, had the basic idea that baseball is a rough and tough game and of course he played it that way, and he somewhat distained the homerun and preferred the natural beauty of the game of "manufacturing" runs thru strategy, etc, rather than the long ball - likely the game would have been more like that whereby a homerun was something special rather than somewhat routine when Bonds hit 73 and a number of other batters were hitting 50 or more. ..and even "utility" type players were hitting a number of homeruns.
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<< <i>"I thought I saw a special that they had about Lyle Alzado and I thought they said they coundn't prove that
steroids was the cause of his condition and over all death. Do you know this to be true?'
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////
The wiki excerpt below speaks to the brain tumor question.
John Stossel will address the issue tomorrow on 20/20.
(He favors the legalization of most drugs, and agrees,
likely correctly, that LA's brain tumor was probably not
caused by steroids.)
Mostly, it would be safest to say, "There is no proof that
the brain tumor was caused by steroids."
wiki..
Misconception about Steroids and Brain Tumor
Alzado is probably most remembered today for being one of the first major U.S. sports figures to admit using steroids. In the last years of his life, as he battled against the brain tumor that eventually caused his death at the age of 43, Alzado asserted that his steroid abuse directly led to his fatal illness, but every single one of his physicians stated it could not possibly be true, and that while steroid's do have harsh side effects, they were not the cause of his brain cancer. According to some reports, Alzado was using natural growth hormone, harvested from human corpses, as opposed to synthetic growth hormones. However, shortly before his death, Alzado recounted his steroid abuse in an article in Sports Illustrated. He said:
“ I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped. It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety percent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300 lbs or jump 30 ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
...................................................
Science and statistics are a fun mix.
About 93% of folks who smoke cigs never develop lung cancer.
About 93% of folks who develop lung cancer, smoked cigs. >>
What are some of the side effects of steroid use?
A build-up of steroids upsets the body’s internal balance, and side effects occur when the body begins to compensate to eliminate the excess steroids or hormones. Steroid abuse can cause stunted growth in adolescents, con-tinuous headaches, bone pain, nausea, and changes in bowel and urinary patterns. An unexpected side effect is that steroid use can weaken the tendons, placing athletes at risk of serious injury.
Cardiovascular System: Enlargement of the heart, a precursor to heart failure; high blood pressure; atherosclerosis or hardening of the arteries, a precursor to coronary heart disease; elevated cholesterol levels; heart palpitations; heart attack; stroke; anaphylactic and septic shock.
Reproductive System: In males, excess testosterone is converted to the female hormone estrogen which causes the development of female characteristics. For instance, men experience prostate enlargement, sterility, sexual dysfunction, baldness, breast enlargement, and testicular atrophy. Excess testosterone in females has the opposite effect, causing menstrual irregularities, deepening of the voice, baldness, fetal damage, hair growth on other parts of the body, sexual dysfunction, sterility, reduction of breasts, and genital swelling.
Vital Organs: Prolonged heavy use of steroids can permanently damage the liver, causing cancer, jaundice, bleeding, and hepatitis. Steroids can impair the kidneys leading to kidney stones and kidney disease.
Can steroids cause death?
Yes. Steroid-related fatalities occur as a result of suicide, homicide, liver disease, heart attack, and cancer.
Are there other problems associated with steroid use?
Problem users may lose interest in daily activities and report loss of energy and boredom. They may have a hard time limiting their use, may build a tolerance to steroids requiring larger amounts to get the muscle-building effects, and may develop problems with their jobs and personal relation-ships. Steroid use can also cause a phenomenon called “male anorexia” where users experience dissatisfaction with their body image and do not notice changes that are apparent to others.
How long do steroids stay in the user’s body?
Oral steroids can be detected up to several weeks after use, while injected steroids can be detected for several months after use.
Are adolescents at-risk?
Teenage and young adult males who participate in athletics are at particular risk for abusing steroids because they believe that steroids can help them enhance their physical performance and their appearance. Ironically, teens are at particular risk of harming their health and permanently changing their appearance in ways they do not expect -- acne, stunted growth, female characteristics (in boys), and male characteristics (in girls). Research also shows that the earlier people start using drugs, the more likely they are to go on to experiment with other dangerous drugs. Athletes who use steroids risk discovery and exclusion from sports activities.
<< <i>
Who's next? ...Thome, Griffey, Pujos, Sheffield, Howard, Pedroia, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, ect... >>
If news breaks out about PED's with one or more of these names ....Griffey, Jeter, Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez, etc ..... I'll NEVER watch baseball again.
That the show when I first saw that, it pi$$ed me off when I found out that people said Lyle Alzado death
was caused by steroid and it just isn't so.
In the show they said that if people, that take care of there health and use the right steroid and the
right dose that they can live a longer and more healthy productive life compared to those who just
keep themselfs in healthy.
Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to
try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because
these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into
a monster.
James
<< <i>
<< <i>I am disapointed in Manny. Another black eye for Americas past time. >>
This is pretty much how I feel...Donato >>
He doesn't care. He's got MILLIONS in the bank. chaz
"...Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to
try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because
these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into
a monster...."
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I know many folks claim that the drugs are "good for you."
I dunno if that's true/false.
I do know the drugs cause seemingly "unnatural" changes
to humans.
BUT, the issue is not good/bad. The issue is that the athletes
using the drugs are CHEATING, according to the rules.
As long as big biznez makes money off the cheaters, the health
effects, if any, on the athletes will only be of interest in an academic
sense.
<< <i>"...Steroids have been given a bad rap over the years. Major sports group have banned them to
try to keep there sports on an equal playing field and all you here is that steriods are bad for you.
Every time I hear someone talk about how steroids are so bad it just get me so mad because
these sports stars have takeing something that can be so helpful for your health and twisted it into
a monster...."
///////////////////////////////////////////////
I know many folks claim that the drugs are "good for you."
I dunno if that's true/false.
I do know the drugs cause seemingly "unnatural" changes
to humans.
BUT, the issue is not good/bad. The issue is that the athletes
using the drugs are CHEATING, according to the rules.
As long as big biznez makes money off the cheaters, the health
effects, if any, on the athletes will only be of interest in an academic
sense. >>
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Why Steroids Are Bad for You
The 411 on Steroids' 911
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health NewsMarch 16, 2005 - If it makes athletes muscular and powerful, can steroids really be all that bad for you?
In your heart of hearts, you know steroid abuse can't be good. And your heart is telling you the truth. Even when used to treat medical conditions, anabolic steroids have all kinds of common side effects.
What, exactly, is so bad about steroids? WebMD is here with the FAQ.
What Are Steroids?
Don't confuse anabolic steroids with corticosteroids, warns physiatrist Kenneth Mautner, MD, of Emory University. Anabolic steroids are used to build up muscle. Corticosteroids are used to dampen overactive immune responses and reduce swelling.
The anabolic steroids abused by athletes are synthetic versions of testosterone, a male hormone. Both men and women naturally produce testosterone. But like all hormones -- which regulate the body's most basic functions -- throwing one's testosterone out of balance can have wide-ranging consequences.
Why Do Doctors Prescribe Steroids?
Doctors prescribe anabolic steroids to treat certain specific medical conditions. For example, they may be used to treat the muscle wasting seen in AIDS. Steroids may also be used to treat delayed puberty or loss of testicular function.
Mautner notes that doctors are not allowed to prescribe steroids to enhance a person's athletic performance.
Are Steroids Illegal?
Yes. Without a doctor's prescription for a medical condition, it's against the law to possess, sell, or distribute anabolic steroids.
Legal prosecution can be a serious side effect of illicit steroid use. Under federal law, first-time simple possession of anabolic steroids carries a maximum penalty of one year in prison and a $1,000 fine. For first-offense trafficking in steroids, the maximum penalty is five years in prison and a fine of $250,000. Second offenses double this penalty. In addition to federal penalties, state laws also prohibit illegal anabolic steroid use.
Anabolic steroids are powerful hormones. They affect the entire body. Some of the side effects are common to all users. Other side effects are specifically related to your sex and age.
Men who take anabolic steroids may:
Develop breasts
Get painful erections
Have their testicles shrink
Have decreased sperm count
Become infertile
Become impotent
Women who take anabolic steroids may:
Grow excessive face and body hair
Have their voices deepen
Experience menstrual irregularities
Have an enlarged clitoris
Have reduced breast size
Have a masculinized female fetus
Both men and women who take anabolic steroids may:
Get acne
Have an oily scalp and skin
Get yellowing of the skin (jaundice)
Become bald
Have tendon rupture
Have heart attacks
Have an enlarged heart
Develop significant risk of liver disease and liver cancer
Have high levels of "bad" cholesterol
Have mood swings
Fly into rages
Suffer delusions
Teens who take anabolic steroids may:
Have short height due to arrested bone growth
Girls may suffer long-term masculinization
Since steroids are often taken by injections, there is also the risk of getting HIV or hepatitis infection from an unsterile needle or syringe.
"There are a lot of side effects of steroids," Mautner tells WebMD. "They are not good for you. It is like Russian roulette. Five people may take them and have no long-term problem. The sixth may end up dead."
It's all about the dose and what your taking and the person in question to say if it is safe to take.
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He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols.
You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
Nick
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<< <i>Jose Canseco was interviewed on Fox Sports Radio's Myers & Hartman show today.
He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols.
You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
Nick >>
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He sounded EXTREMELY truthful, to me.
The additional players are not named in the media-player version.
You may need to download the podcast stuff to get the full interview.
<< <i>Jose Canseco was interviewed on Fox Sports Radio's Myers & Hartman show today.
He put out 5 big names as likely users: Ivan Rodriguez, Randy Johnson, Mike Piazza, Pedro Martinez, and Albert Pujols.
You can listen to the interview at Loose Cannons podcasts.
Nick >>
If Canseco said it, you can almost take it to the bank. Dude's life is a walking dumpster fire, but it's been proven time and time again that he knows what he's talking about.
As a Dodger fan, I'm sickened, disappointed and downright pissed about Manny's fall. Sickened because of what he's brought to my beloved Bums: excitement, credibility, talent, wins, relevance. Disappointed because he's the latest in a long (and becoming longer) line of superstar baseball players that has selfishly and stupidly tarnished their baseball legacy and brought shame to a wonderful game. Pissed because of what he's done to his team and his team's fans. A wonderful group of young talent absolutely looked up to him and fed off of his energy and charisma. As I stated early in this thread, now we'll find out just how good this young Dodger team is. I hope they are up to the test. As I write this, they aren't responding so well, although it wouldn't be Manny's fault the bullpen has given up 11 runs since the 6th inning.
What a bummer this is. I can't wait until this whole PED phase of baseball is over.
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The commish can speed that day along by releasing the
103-name list IN THE MORNING.
If the players don't like it, he should just say, "Let's litigate."
Withholding that list is a de facto coverup.
One big fire is sometimes easier to manage than 100 smaller ones.
MLB fears that the fans can't take all the bad news at once; that
is a terrible way to manage this kind of crisis.
Get the news out there, admit the problem is bad, and ASSURE
us that a final solution is being implemented. Pretending there is
not a big problem - while revealing a little problem every few months -
is a recipe for the scandal to last for decades.
The ONLY way to put it behind us, is to DEAL WITH IT NOW.
Or, for the next 20-years, Canseco can pop-up every few months
to add color commentary to the longest funeral in history.
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