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What makes this an End Roll Toner?

19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
Curious on folks opinions and no the coin is not mine.

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I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



The name is LEE!

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    phehpheh Posts: 1,588
    Beyond hearsay...

    More toning progression where the lines of paper would have sat directly against the coin, toned reeding, and a fairly non-toned obverse.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Beyond hearsay...

    More toning progression where the lines of paper would have sat directly against the coin, toned reeding, and a fairly non-toned obverse. >>



    Ahh. Again, not my picture but what about this one?

    image
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    adamlaneusadamlaneus Posts: 6,969 ✭✭✭
    image I just hate that so much. image



    The ASE, that is.




    As far as roll end toners, it's a rare one that I like. coinsarefun has a Libertad end roll toner that will melt your brain. But most of them look ugly and dirty to me.



    Finally, neither coin in this thread looks like and end-roll toner to me. I'm used to end roll toners having a pattern which is fairly consistent around the rim, as that is where the roll of paper was rolled. Because the first coin has both dark and light regions around the rim, it does not look like an end-roll toner to me.
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    So they will grade that ASE and my "in the drawer" Morgans get bagged???

    What gives there??
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    fcfc Posts: 12,805 ✭✭✭
    i would say that the ASE is not an end roll toner.
    after all, who stored these in paper wrappers?
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    CoppercolorCoppercolor Posts: 1,475 ✭✭✭
    To me the geometric toning pattern on the Peace Dollar on the right half of the coins suggests the folds of paper from an original roll sitting close to that portion of the coins' surface. Generally underneath the paper fold there will be light or slightly toned area, then toning will be rather advanced from sulfur off-gassing right along the edge of the paper where air and toning source mixed.

    The ASE??? Maybe it can be explained by slightly different alloys running parrallel left to right, the edges of toning suggest the edges of slightly different alloys. Undefensible opinion but that's one suggestion.
    Jeff
    I'd like my copper well done please!
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    phehpheh Posts: 1,588


    << <i>i would say that the ASE is not an end roll toner.
    after all, who stored these in paper wrappers? >>



    I agree with this opinion. While it is certainly well within the boundaries of reasonableness that a Morgan would have been stored for some period of time in a paper roll, you begin to stretch those boundaries when you call any ASE an "end roll toner" even though it may well be exactly that.

    To me this isn't a question of how the piece was toned, rather it is the impression imparted by calling it a specific type of toning.

    Album toned, bag toned, end-of-roll toned... all three adjectival terms impart very specific impressions to the reader regarding the history and nature of the coin they are viewing. If, as the reader, you put some level of monetary weight into that implied history my suggestion is to tread carefully - as I think most already do.
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i would say that the ASE is not an end roll toner.
    after all, who stored these in paper wrappers? >>




    Uhhhh. Do they make paper wrappers for ASE's?
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    soty27soty27 Posts: 1,956
    image The ASE pic is juiced like crazy, probly resides in a genuine holder.
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    garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Beyond hearsay...

    More toning progression where the lines of paper would have sat directly against the coin, toned reeding, and a fairly non-toned obverse. >>



    Ahh. Again, not my picture but what about this one?

    image >>




    How and why did they do that image
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>i would say that the ASE is not an end roll toner.
    after all, who stored these in paper wrappers? >>



    I agree with this opinion. While it is certainly well within the boundaries of reasonableness that a Morgan would have been stored for some period of time in a paper roll, you begin to stretch those boundaries when you call any ASE an "end roll toner" even though it may well be exactly that.

    To me this isn't a question of how the piece was toned, rather it is the impression imparted by calling it a specific type of toning.

    Album toned, bag toned, end-of-roll toned... all three adjectival terms impart very specific impressions to the reader regarding the history and nature of the coin they are viewing. If, as the reader, you put some level of monetary weight into that implied history my suggestion is to tread carefully - as I think most already do. >>



    The straight line from the edge of the paper is usually a dead giveaway clue that the coin was at the end of a roll that was wrapped in paper.
    theknowitalltroll;
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The straight line from the edge of the paper is usually a dead giveaway clue that the coin was at the end of a roll that was wrapped in paper. >>



    Again I ask "Do they make paper wrappers for ASE's? "
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    << <i>

    << <i>The straight line from the edge of the paper is usually a dead giveaway clue that the coin was at the end of a roll that was wrapped in paper. >>



    Again I ask "Do they make paper wrappers for ASE's? " >>



    They make them for dollars, which an ASE will fit into. image
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>The straight line from the edge of the paper is usually a dead giveaway clue that the coin was at the end of a roll that was wrapped in paper. >>



    Again I ask "Do they make paper wrappers for ASE's? " >>



    I guess you could always do your own.
    theknowitalltroll;
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Beyond hearsay...

    More toning progression where the lines of paper would have sat directly against the coin, toned reeding, and a fairly non-toned obverse. >>



    Ahh. Again, not my picture but what about this one?

    image >>



    AT Advanced Toning.
    theknowitalltroll;
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    DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 810 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh BOY! Looking at that pic caused me to hear Tom Selleck talking about the benefits of juice.
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    BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,623 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Beyond hearsay...

    More toning progression where the lines of paper would have sat directly against the coin, toned reeding, and a fairly non-toned obverse. >>



    Ahh. Again, not my picture but what about this one?

    image >>





    Maybe the milk spots are from steroids. LOLOLOLOL
    theknowitalltroll;
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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>The straight line from the edge of the paper is usually a dead giveaway clue that the coin was at the end of a roll that was wrapped in paper. >>



    Again I ask "Do they make paper wrappers for ASE's? " >>



    They make them for dollars, which an ASE will fit into. image >>



    Not the ASE's that I have since they are 40.6 mm in diameter as compared to the 38.5 mm diameter for a dollar!
    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



    The name is LEE!
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    frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750
    Here's one that I believe is an end roll toner.

    image

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