NON-HOFers and Collector Value

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:02PM

What former major league sports players (MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL) do you think will maintain collector value in the future that are not currently/will not likely be elected to the Hall-of-Fame? Mattingly, Rose, Bo Jackson, come to mind--what do you think?

Yes, "Bill"--I posted this question at FeeBay, but not much of a response just yet. Before you hate on me "Bill," I would personally like to place my '65 Ron Herbel NM 7 on YOU, yes your "Bill", to beat Shaq in a FT contest...

(P.S. Somebody asked about PSA grading oversized items? So they will grade by jock strap after I win "best seller" on eBay??)

ploobims · May 4, 2009 12:13PM

nobody knows

calaban7 · May 4, 2009 12:14PM

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:15PM

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:19PM

Who exacty was Frank Zappa? And please don't give me some existential you know what. I respect/love the 60s/70s but somehow he flew under my radar...Again, please don't write me some gibbirish that I have to decipher with Hamarabbi's Code or whatever.

lsutigers1973 · May 4, 2009 12:20PM

Check the eBay forum. Very similar thread posted over there.

itzagoner · May 4, 2009 12:23PM

someone has jumped the Sharq.

thenavarro · May 4, 2009 12:23PM

Joe Jackson
Thurman Munson
Elmer Layden, Harry Stuhledreher, Don Miller, Jim Crowley (4 Horsemen of Notre Dame, very popular autographs)
Knute Rockne
Pete Rose

I think the above names are a few that will stand the test of time. I don't really consider Bo Jackson, Don Mattingly, etc, to be in that same league.

Mike

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:24PM

I already said-but nobody over there seems to have a pulse. Bugger off or be constructive.

lsutigers1973 · May 4, 2009 12:26PM

<< Bugger off or be constructive >>

Please direct me to one constructive post you have made either here or the other board.

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:28PM

What's Munson's deal? Didn't grow up in that era. I know his '71 Topps RC holds value. Was he just a very good Yankee Catcher for a few years? No chance he will make the HOF? "Bill"--Go work on your FT's instead of replying to this thread--remember I have $ on you over Shaq...

ploobims · May 4, 2009 12:31PM

Frank zappa was the lead singer of frank zappa and the mothers of invention, good stuff.
Zoot allures was always my favorite album with the torture never stops, ms pinky, wonderful wino, ect... he died of prostrate cancer , hes the one that named his kids dweezil and moonbeam

Hes the reason for the song Smoke on the water, one band was playing on one side of a lake , zappa on the other, concert hall burnt down frank was playing at,the other band wrote smoke on the water watching the smoke come across the lake.
wikipedia is good

so is youtube

gumbyfan · May 4, 2009 12:42PM

99.8%

thenavarro · May 4, 2009 12:44PM

<< What's Munson's deal? Didn't grow up in that era. I know his '71 Topps RC holds value. Was he just a very good Yankee Catcher for a few years? No chance he will make the HOF? " >>

Munson had his career and his life cut short when he crashed his plane in 1979 in an accident and killed himself. According to wikipedia, he was 7x All-Star selection (1971, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978),
2x World Series champion (1977, 1978), 3x Gold Glove Award winner (1973, 1974, 1975), 1976 AL MVP , and 1970 AL Rookie of the Year.

The Yankees retired his number 15. I don't know if he played the requisite number of years to be even considered for HOF eligibility. Is a very popular Yankee world series champion as opposed to just a popular Yankee (Mattingly). His autograph is highly valued and has a couple condition sensitive early cards. Very collectible and no longer alive to do anything to diminish his popularity.

Mike

ploobims · May 4, 2009 12:45PM

<< I already said-but nobody over there seems to have a pulse. Bugger off or be constructive. >>

It said Boogers

Ironmanfan · May 4, 2009 12:46PM

Tony Perez
Bill Mazerowski
Rick Ferrell

lsutigers1973 · May 4, 2009 12:47PM

Somebody got a neg for shipping a 1971 Topps set in a PWE.

gumbyfan · May 4, 2009 12:48PM

<< Somebody got a neg for shipping a 1971 Topps set in a PWE. >>

rbdjr1 · May 4, 2009 12:48PM

<< Who exacty was Frank Zappa? And please don't give me some existential you know what. I respect/love the 60s/70s but somehow he flew under my radar...Again, please don't write me some gibbirish that I have to decipher with Hamarabbi's Code or whatever. >>

>.................................................................. >>> Live Zappa!

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:52PM

Bill--I have no problem with your collector interests, in fact, I have many of the same obsessions (although not necessarily with graded cards). I can understand/respect that. And I don't mind you calling me out from time to time if I'm on the wrong side of the issue.

But you need to get over your notion that I'm a bad/unethical dude, etc. Yes, at times I might cross the line, and if collectors need to remind me of that fact, I will change my position. For example, I recently posited the idea of TTW requests for resale. As a result of this conversation w/collectors, I will not be pursuing that avenue.

You have the fortune of renting out trailer homes (or whatever you do), but right now I do not. Occasionally my questions will go beyond that of a pure collector to that of asking about how to make $ in this hobby. That does not make me a "dirt bag".

Being a collector and a seller are not mutually exclusive interests. In fact, at my first and only show, half of my sales went to "sellers." Likewise, most antique car sellers are also collectors...

Yes, I am obnoxious at times (sometimes drunk) and hold different positions on various issues (ex: PWE's), but you are barking up the wrong tree. Go after some guy that has a 91.0% feedback and re-wraps cello packs or whatever.

Better yet, try to win argument with your wife for once. After all, she will be putting your cards aka "EX-HUSBANDS" card lot up for sale. BTW--when that happens let me know, I will want to put a bid in...

calaban7 · May 4, 2009 12:55PM

Does anyone else see Minto as another Zappa's Bobby Brown ?

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:56PM

To Gumby Fan--my neg buyer admitted he had a "bad monday" and was going to revise the feedback. This person wouldn't happen to be you would it? Sounds like something you might resort to...

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 12:57PM

Mazeroski = HOF

gumbyfan · May 4, 2009 12:59PM

<< To Gumby Fan--my neg buyer admitted he had a "bad monday" and was going to revise the feedback. This person wouldn't happen to be you would it? Sounds like something you might resort to... >>

Sort of a bold accusation from the village idiot. You have no idea what I'm capable of resorting to.

lawnmowerman · May 4, 2009 1:03PM

<< 

<< To Gumby Fan--my neg buyer admitted he had a "bad monday" and was going to revise the feedback. This person wouldn't happen to be you would it? Sounds like something you might resort to... >>

Sort of a bold accusation from the village idiot. You have no idea what I'm capable of resorting to. >>

Yeah really. You got any proof dumbass?

thenavarro · May 4, 2009 1:13PM

I've been pretty busy so I haven't been paying attention to the boards, other than my own threads for the most part, but this mintacular must have done something to someone to have these types of responses to his threads. I thought it was a decent question and have been responding as such but I evidently missed something. Can someone fill me in via PM? If not, I'll spend a little time researching on the board to see what happened.

Mike

123Slider · May 4, 2009 1:27PM

I'm going out on a limb and say that mintalicious is....

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 1:28PM

Here's an update: "Bill" told people on this board to "not be fooled by the new people". "Bill" misrepresented/lied about who I am/positions I have took in order to make everyone hate me right off the bat.

"Bill" has accused me of being unethical/scammer/lacking morality despite my 100% feedback (will be corrected tomorrow) b/c he doesn't like my positions on certain issues.

In short, "Bill" is a hater and unwelcoming person. That's pretty much the gist of it

P.S. I offered "Bill" a NM Ron Herbel NM 7 (PSA 7!) card to bury the hatchet and he never responded not to mention that I am willing to bet my collection on "Bill" to beat Shaq in a FT competition...

123Slider · May 4, 2009 1:31PM

Hatter hater, I mean hatter.

calaban7 · May 4, 2009 1:31PM

<< Here's an update: "Bill" told people on this board to "not be fooled by the new people". "Bill" misrepresented/lied about who I am/positions I have took in order to make everyone hate me right off the bat.

"Bill" has accused me of being unethical/scammer/lacking morality despite my 100% feedback (will be corrected tomorrow) b/c he doesn't like my positions on certain issues.

In short, "Bill" is a hater and unwelcoming person. That's pretty much the gist of it

P.S. I offered "Bill" a NM Ron Herbel NM 7 (PSA 7!) card to bury the hatchet and he never responded not to mention that I am willing to bet my collection on "Bill" to beat Shaq in a FT competition... >>

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 1:39PM

OH well, you try to have a genuine conversation and then I guy like "BILL" ruins it and comes along and tells you to watch out for someone like me. Yes, I will smack you in the mouth if you attack me, but you will NEVER see me (unlike "BILL") go out of my way to distort/misrepresent you to other people, like "BILL".

The real TROLL on this board is BILL. I have genuine questions about this hobby and each time I try to raise them "BILL" upends me and attacks my morality, etc. like he does on eBay. I am not afraid of you "BILL" so if you think you can scare me off with your BS I will survive.

ploobims · May 4, 2009 1:42PM

If bill is a hatter, i wonder if he has a habberdashery? i need a new hat

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 1:44PM

On a serious note--who kidnapped my cat and fed it beer and cigarettes? What a waste.

halosfan · May 4, 2009 1:50PM

How can you claim to not know who Munson is, as you were not from that generation, and then claim that Maz is a HOFer?

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 1:52PM

I am from Pittsburgh...

nightcrawler · May 4, 2009 1:58PM

<< What's Munson's deal? Didn't grow up in that era. I know his '71 Topps RC holds value. Was he just a very good Yankee Catcher for a few years? No chance he will make the HOF? >>

See there's a good example of your first mistake, and a whole series of mistakes afterwards.

You went full retard... Man, you went full retard and beyond on the Munson post.

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

Mintacular · May 4, 2009 2:00PM

Let me elaborate. After Barry Bonds futile attempt to throw out Sid Bream at home in '92, all PGH students (myself included) were forced into a film room a la Clockwork Orange to watch Mazs 1960-61 game-winning HR against the Yanks with full knowledge the Pirates would NEVER make it back to the World Series again.

How wrong they were! Heard of Freddy Sanchez? Bet you have...

lsutigers1973 · May 4, 2009 10:48PM

<< "Bill" has accused me of being unethical/scammer/lacking morality despite my 100% feedback (will be corrected tomorrow) b/c he doesn't like my positions on certain issues. >>

Let's see, uses PWEs to ship but can't understand why a buyer would be upset but yet complained about receiving a card in a PWE. Not only thinks it is OK to search for "Hot Packs" but promotes the practice and the sellers on eBay that sell them. Wants to profit from TTMs with no collector interest at all, just for pure profit. Claims to have no clue about collecting or selling and starts endless threads about eBay and selling but has been an eBay member for about 9 years and a seller for at least 3 years. Claims to have no knowledge of retired/deceased non-Pirates players but only sells vintage cards. Is a sexist pig that doesn't think women are capable of selling cards or even being a collector (thread went poof). Showed his/her maturity by posting a Mike Hunt and Heywood Jablowmi thread (another poofed thread). There's plenty more but I'm going to play golf.

gumbyfan · May 4, 2009 11:30PM

<< There's plenty more but I'm going to play golf. >>

Hit 'em far, Bill.

Uphill · May 4, 2009 11:49PM

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

I know what movie I'm watching this afternoon!

Mintacular · May 5, 2009 12:58AM

Speaking of golf, they should not have those lady red tees--you know the ones that are closer to the fairway? That's sexist. (But I DO think they should have closer ones for old timers like "BILL"-o-theclown)

Barfvader · May 5, 2009 1:20AM

<< What's Munson's deal? Didn't grow up in that era. I know his '71 Topps RC holds value. Was he just a very good Yankee Catcher for a few years? No chance he will make the HOF? "Bill"--Go work on your FT's instead of replying to this thread--remember I have $ on you over Shaq... >>

71 Topps is NOT his RC.

NON-HOFers and Collector Value

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