This is going to get ugly...

steelielee · April 28, 2009 12:26AM

Ebay 1889CC from China @ $1000, PCGS AU50....what are the chances this thing is the real deal..my vote would be slim....going to be a disappointed winner I'm afraid....

Made in China

QuarterCollector · April 28, 2009 12:34AM

From what I can tell from their crappy pictures the coin doesn't even look AU. I thought we all would have learned by now... STAY AWAY FROM CHINA NUMISMATIC LISTINGS ON EBAY.

AUandAG · April 28, 2009 12:42AM

It's a fake, and poorly made, earlier version. It's not even close as some of the newer versions are very close
and hard to detect.
Too bad.
bob

Seller reported.

pheh · April 28, 2009 12:45AM

All of his auctions are fake.

notwilight · April 28, 2009 1:13AM

What ever happened to scumnuker? I'm tempted to just buy it. Anybody want to be the underbidder at $9.9M? I'll bid $10M. --Jerry

Shamika · April 28, 2009 1:23AM

His English is better than I would have expected.

Rob85635 · April 28, 2009 1:23AM

<< All of his auctions are fake. >>

Out of curiosity, and knowledge, how do you tell? I would not know from the pics that the slabs and coins are fake. This person has a bunch of slabs listed and bids near 10k. The people buying are gonna be in for a rude awakening.

How can you tell fake slabs from those not so good pics?

notwilight · April 28, 2009 1:24AM

No takers? Or is there already an organized effort. The last 5 bids are all the same amount meaning they are all the same person as he keeps raising his bid. This is often the sign of an emotionally attached newbie. Shouldn't we steal this beauty from him? --Jerry

notwilight · April 28, 2009 1:28AM

Is this one fake?

I haven't seen OGHs counterfeited. He also has at least one NGC coin in his feedback and it is a new pronged holder.

--Jerry

slipgate · April 28, 2009 1:30AM

Do it! I want to see that coin go for over a mil. 100% fake! Cast pot metal probably.

123cents · April 28, 2009 1:34AM

Fake or not it would be better to stay away.

notwilight · April 28, 2009 1:38AM

<< Fake or not it would be better to stay away.

>>

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men stand by and do nothing.

mike92694 · April 28, 2009 1:39AM

This seller has been mentioned before in other threads.

I suspect that most of you are suspicious solely because the seller is from China. If the seller was from the U.S., how many of you would even question the authenticity?

ksteelheader · April 28, 2009 1:39AM

<< From what I can tell from their crappy pictures the coin doesn't even look AU. I thought we all would have learned by now... STAY AWAY FROM CHINA NUMISMATIC LISTINGS ON EBAY. >>

we.....................that post here make up a miniscule part of the people that buy on ebay.

Rob85635 · April 28, 2009 1:40AM

They prefer paypal, so the buyer would be protected right?

AUandAG · April 28, 2009 1:41AM

<< Is this one fake?

I haven't seen OGHs counterfeited. He also has at least one NGC coin in his feedback and it is a new pronged holder.

--Jerry >>

Jerry,
that is one real '79s, IMHO. Hmmmm, stolen pic but with the same little slab holders?
The '89 is not the real deal but this one appears to be.

bob

stinkinlincoln · April 28, 2009 1:41AM

Sad... 26 minutes left, 21 bidders, I think someones going to be upset when they get this in hand.

Bcsican · April 28, 2009 2:06AM

I checked the PCGS cert # and comes up authentic...
just curious because I dont know how to tell a fake...
if the cert shows real how can it be considered a fake???

Rob85635 · April 28, 2009 2:16AM

What Bcsican said.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 28, 2009 2:17AM

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeBay.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Win some, Lose some.

ILikeMercs · April 28, 2009 2:17AM

latest feedback......." Another counterfeit coin in a counterfeit holder offered by this seller -beware. "

DennisH · April 28, 2009 2:18AM

<< I checked the PCGS cert # and comes up authentic...
just curious because I dont know how to tell a fake...
if the cert shows real how can it be considered a fake??? >>

Two-part answer:
1. Seller is in China.
2. Coin is a valuable date.

Robb · April 28, 2009 2:21AM

<< latest feedback......." Another counterfeit coin in a counterfeit holder offered by this seller -beware. " >>

I'd be willing to bet that the feedback was left seconds after the auction was "won", was never paid for and will never see the hands of the "buyer". Seller would then file NPB and a complaint and the feedback will be removed.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 28, 2009 2:22AM

study before diving into shark infested waters
Tuition can be a lot cheaper listening to the voices of experience.

pheh · April 28, 2009 2:22AM

Flowing Hair
22017781

or

22017781

Trade Dollar
13063176

or

13063176

Though I suppose it is possible Heritage and Premium Numismatics are selling fake coins that actually look like they match the grade. Hmm...

crazyhounddog · April 28, 2009 2:23AM

Check out his feedback!!

crazyhounddog · April 28, 2009 2:27AM

<< 

<< I checked the PCGS cert # and comes up authentic...
just curious because I dont know how to tell a fake...
if the cert shows real how can it be considered a fake??? >>

Two-part answer:
1. Seller is in China.
2. Coin is a valuable date. >>

Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks!

notwilight · April 28, 2009 2:28AM

<< Check out his feedback!! >>

Is that a forum member?

Robb · April 28, 2009 2:34AM

<< 

<< 

<< I checked the PCGS cert # and comes up authentic...
just curious because I dont know how to tell a fake...
if the cert shows real how can it be considered a fake??? >>

Two-part answer:
1. Seller is in China.
2. Coin is a valuable date. >>

Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks! >>

Comprehension for the loss.

TwoSides2aCoin · April 28, 2009 2:35AM

notwilight · April 28, 2009 2:36AM

<< 
Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks! >>

On some sales like the OGH I linked earlier, that is probably the case. But on the Pemium Numismatics VF 1795 $1 flowing hair, I see not photo of the slab on the Prenum website. But the grade and cert number are listed so he could make a fake VF30 $1795 FH dollar and a fake slab and use the real number and sell it on ebay.

Still, since he takes paypal, won't the buyer be protected? Seems like paypal may be the target as they are trying to steal money from paypal. --Jerry

Bcsican · April 28, 2009 2:38AM

<< Two-part answer:
1. Seller is in China.
2. Coin is a valuable date >>

What are the chances it is not a fake...I wouldn`t be a bidder IM one of the people
like most others thinking it probably is a fake and just because of where the seller is
from...what is PCGS policy on counterfit slabs...looks like a big can of worms for somebody...

crazyhounddog · April 28, 2009 2:40AM

<< 

<< 
Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks! >>

On some sales like the OGH I linked earlier, that is probably the case. But on the Pemium Numismatics VF 1795 $1 flowing hair, I see not photo of the slab on the Prenum website. But the grade and cert number are listed so he could make a fake VF30 $1795 FH dollar and a fake slab and use the real number and sell it on ebay.

Still, since he takes paypal, won't the buyer be protected? Seems like paypal may be the target as they are trying to steal money from paypal. --Jerry >>

I agree %100!!!

TwoSides2aCoin · April 28, 2009 2:40AM

For me, it's fake when it can't pass the smell test. This is why I don't BUY it.

Bcsican · April 28, 2009 2:42AM

<< Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks! >>

Makes a lot of sense...IM just now becoming more aware how much of a problem this really is...

AndyMac · April 28, 2009 2:43AM

Hmm, private listing in China, where the seller has a feedback score of 38/97.5%. I just can't see how this is not a legit auction.

pheh · April 28, 2009 2:44AM

<< What are the chances it is not a fake...I wouldn`t be a bidder IM one of the people
like most others thinking it probably is a fake and just because of where the seller is
from...what is PCGS policy on counterfit slabs...looks like a big can of worms for somebody... >>

On that Trade Dollar? Zero. Go look at the barcode on the Heritage sale and compare it to the one he is selling.

Personally - I like to think that PCGS and eBay work together to buy these things (with money they will get back of course) in an ongoing effort to enumerate these counterfeit rings.

notwilight · April 28, 2009 3:14AM

<< 

<< 

<< 
Stolen pictures of real coins and selling them as he owns them. He is selling pictures folks! >>

On some sales like the OGH I linked earlier, that is probably the case. But on the Pemium Numismatics VF 1795 $1 flowing hair, I see not photo of the slab on the Prenum website. But the grade and cert number are listed so he could make a fake VF30 $1795 FH dollar and a fake slab and use the real number and sell it on ebay.

Still, since he takes paypal, won't the buyer be protected? Seems like paypal may be the target as they are trying to steal money from paypal. --Jerry >>

I agree %100!!!

>>

Just got an email from a lurker used to go by coinguy1 who wanted me to make sure it was clear that in this case it was a fake coin in a fake slab. --Jerry

DorkGirl · April 28, 2009 9:41AM

"Just got an email from a lurker used to go by coinguy1 who wanted me to make sure it was clear that in this case it was a fake coin in a fake slab. --Jerry "

If he said it, it has to be so. The easiest way for me to tell it was bad was the grade, that was no AU, but the slab, I'm lost.

AUandAG · April 28, 2009 9:51AM

So, just thought that I'd email ebay on this and said the following:

"Obvious counterfeit. Not anywhere near AU and a poorly made
one at that, if you blow up the pic. Fake PCGS slab. Very deceptive
and this needs to stop being an outlet for Chinese theives.
bob "

Got this response:

"Dear Bob and Linda,

Thank you for contacting eBay regarding listing # 180351202432.

I have thoroughly investigated your report and can confirm that the item
is not in violation of our coins policy.

Currently, the coin in question doesn't meet our guidelines for removal.

For future reference, using the "Report This Item" link at the bottom of
the listing page makes it much easier to report potentially violating
listings to eBay in the shortest amount of time.

For more information about our listing policies and guidelines, go to:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/overview.html

Thanks again for your report.

Sincerely,

Fordham
eBay Customer Support "

Then I responded to Fordham that, respectfully, he has no knowledge of
coins and please just forward this to the coin Guru's that ebay uses.

But, not in these exact words.
bob

notwilight · April 28, 2009 10:36AM

Bob,
That is very disappointing. However, I got some more positive feedback from my report and I think the items will be ended.

So we have a trade dollar tomorrow that needs to be bought. PM me if you're going to buy it. We don't want more than one nuclear snipe at a time as the guy has figured out to block those that buy without intending to pay. That's why the 1795 $ didn't get bought.

Anyone, please PM me if you intend to "BUY" it.

--Jerry

pheh · April 28, 2009 10:50AM

<< So we have a trade dollar tomorrow that needs to be bought. PM me if you're going to buy it. We don't want more than one nuclear snipe at a time as the guy has figured out to block those that buy without intending to pay. That's why the 1795 $ didn't get bought.

Anyone, please PM me if you intend to "BUY" it.

--Jerry >>

What trade dollar... see the problem with these types of things getting reported here... Anyone worth their salt, doing this as a business, would be a fool not to read this board.

Trade Dollar - Ended Early To Sell To High Bidder

barbershopper · April 28, 2009 12:34PM

This kind of BS has been going on for as long as I can remember and probably a lot longer.
As soon as a collectible category goes hyper, the bootleggers move in.
At least that's what's happened in everything I ever collected.
These included but were not limited to vinyl records, antique bottles, hand painted Nippon, art glass,
18th and 19th century presidential autographs, plus others.
My Fbay dealings were mostly antique postcards with some depression glass and other stuff.
I sold quality items and never had a complaint as my 29xx positive FB will show (I am jdtan).
The only neg. I ever received was from an A--hole who lost our contest thru paypal to the tune of $1500
over a set of Lincolns with a "XF++" 1914-D and nothing less that VF. He had over 700 FBs with 100%.
At that point I said to h--- with it. I've only bought a couple or three coins there since then which was
over 2 years ago.
Correction: I had a prospective postcard bidder chastise me for not describing it as "Genuine" in the listing.

Sorry if I got carried away.
All the things I mentioned ended up with fakes by the truck load.
It practically kills the hobby as collectors grew hesitant to buy from anyone except major dealers
and auction houses and were wary ot them.
I just hope coins, my first and easily my favorite collectible, can hold on for the long run.

JT

notwilight · April 30, 2009 9:16AM

Listing has been removed.

Bear · April 30, 2009 12:01PM

The only good things to come out of

China, were pasta and silk.

This is going to get ugly...

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