Coin seller on Ebay, selling Fake PCGS slabbed coins.

Darkwaverave · April 12, 2009 3:31PM

I just grabbed a couple of this sellers coins less then an hour ago and even from the pictures they looked like fake coins. I will be leaving some nice negs if he is not banned.
Ebay Auction #1 serial number matches this real coin Heritage Auction

and

Ebay Auction #2 serial matches this other real coin Heritage Auction #2

The Bar codes don't even match up if you look closely.

I reported him, but feel free to as well, looks like he has several fakes and is pricing them for a quick sale along with a few real coins. These are obvious fakes, but could fool others on some so-called bargains.

soty27 · April 12, 2009 3:34PM

You bought those two coins??

Darkwaverave · April 12, 2009 3:38PM

Sure did, but he relisted the trade dollar a couple minutes after I bought it. If Ebay wont shut this crap down, maybe a few negs will warn others. It is not like I am sending him any money.

commoncents05 · April 12, 2009 3:39PM

Counterfeits, both of them. Nice catch.

-Paul

ArizonaJack · April 12, 2009 3:41PM

Unfortunatly, Ebay will remove his negs.....if he gets enough of them tho it may wake them up

sinin1 · April 12, 2009 3:42PM

pcgs needs to get these guys

Dabigkahuna · April 12, 2009 3:53PM

Looks like he put the 78-S Trade $ back up?

That is a big hit on both of those coins if he did buy them from Heritage.

Darkwaverave · April 12, 2009 3:57PM

Dabigkahuna, Heritage sold real coins, this ebay scammer is selling Chinese Fakes of the real coins, slabs and all, he is not out anything, he probably bought these for a few dollars.

Placid · April 12, 2009 4:40PM

Looks like he got caught once in the past and refunded the buyers money and said he didnt know it was a fake.

I see he sold a 1874-cc td au55 cleaned on april 8th that he got positive feedback for that is also on Heritage and the lettering on the slabs dosent seem to match.

I didnt look up the other 1874-cc td in au58 he sold but it probably was also a fake

Heritage

eBay

Now he has either the same one or another fake listed.

soty27 · April 12, 2009 4:46PM

Okay I seem to be a little slow this morning

If you bought it I would assume he thought you were going to send him money via paypal or what not. Why would he relist it right away?

sinin1 · April 12, 2009 5:27PM

maybe he has 10 exactly the same

commoncents123 · April 12, 2009 10:05PM

How can you tell they're not the same coins from those crappy pics he has?

UtahCoin · April 12, 2009 10:14PM

Here is a list I compiled of known counterfeit slabs.

COUNTERFEIT ANACS & NGC SLAB NUMBERS
Please note that these numbers are legitimate numbers for a SINGLE coin. Therefore, one coin bearing these numbers is genuine. These numbers have been copied from photos sent by a seller in China.
NGC
1795 Bust Dollar AU55 1871265-009
1795 Bust AU55 1515842-002
1795 Bust AU50 562290-001
1795 Bust AU55 1925095-002
1796 Bust XF40 398818-005
Trade Dollars
1877 S Trade Dollar AU55 562449-008
1877 S MS62 1500053-004
1876 S MS61 3003606-008
1875 S MS61 3003606-008
1877 S MS60 3022418-004
1877 S MS63 1850580-010
1875 S XF45 2068372-004

ANACS
1801 Bust Dollar VF20 2727654 All Old Style Slab
1800 Bust VF35 2820185
1875 CC Trade AU58 Details Cleaned 2951037
1877 S MS60 Details Cleaned DDR 2965234
1878 S AU55 Details Cleaned 2964950
1878 S AU58 Details Cleaned 2951825
1878 S AU55 Details Cleaned 2951825
ANACS Trade Dollars (Cont.)
1878 S EF40 Details Cleaned 2951835
1875 CC AU55 Details Cleaned 2909411
1873 S EF45 Details Cleaned 1504664
1878 S EF45 2731036
1873 CC EF40 Details Cleaned 2950086
1875 CC AU50 Details Corroded 1504683

Placid · April 12, 2009 11:19PM

I sent a message thru eBay to the buyer of the anacs one and asked if they returned it and asked them to check the pics of the coin at Heritage to see if the coin matched the one they got or not.

I am pretty sure it is fake as the AU is not right (the leg of the A touching the U on the suspected fake)and the E and L also look different.

CaptHenway · April 12, 2009 11:43PM

Both ended with Buy It Now.
Got a link to any of his other sales?
TD

Placid · April 12, 2009 11:49PM

<< <i>Both ended with Buy It Now.
Got a link to any of his other sales?
TD >>

Link to the sellers auctions.
You can click on the "View seller's other items" link under the sellers name in the future.

Darkwaverave · April 13, 2009 12:12AM

Commoncents123, I think his pics are crappy on purpose to help hide the fact that they are fake. In fact, on a few others of his auctions, he emphasises you to go to the PCGS website and input the serial number to make you feel all warm and fuzzy and that you are getting a bargain. Sinin1 is probably right and he has many of the same fake coins and slabs for sale. Here is his quote from the first auction I linked:
"YOU CAN GO TO PCGS WEBSITE AND TYPE IN CERT. NUMBER AND GET THE VALUE"

sinin1 · April 13, 2009 12:41AM

maybe the guy needs quick cash and coins are legit
oe some coins legit

I can't see anyone counterfeiting a Jeff nckel or Roosie dime in PR69DCAM

or would be rather impressed if they could

the nickel still has the David Lawrence sticker

Coin seller on Ebay, selling Fake PCGS slabbed coins.

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