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19-3 steel cent question?? (PICS) - added a 60x view

Going through a roll of wheaties (yes, primarily crap coins) and came across this 43 steel.... but found it odd that the "4" was missing. Figured it was damaged & looked with a loupe - couldn't see a single trace of it from any angle, and the surface was the same in the missing number area as the surrounding number areas??? The ONLY way you can see that a 4 should be there is when the camera flash catches just the right angle.... So, my question is, is this a filled die? And if so, why would only a single number (in between other numbers) be filled?


~ Okay, the lighting is crappy so the color is way off (the coin was on the bottom of a slightly off-white melamine bowl) & the macro wasn't doing it's best...



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    coinkid855coinkid855 Posts: 5,012 ✭✭✭
    it is indeed a grease filled die. Little to no premium.



    -Paul
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    Thanks Paul, I didn't figure much of anything could give this coin a premium (LOL)... but I've seen other grease filled dies in the dates, just never one that left a completely smooth surface in between other fully detailed numbers?
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    stuff like that is pretty cool i think
    good eye Raquel
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Out there somewhere is a dropped number 4 on another Steelie.
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    << <i>stuff like that is pretty cool i think
    good eye Raquel
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    See what you got me doin'?!?! (...that freakin' DC quarter has me starving for some coin anomalies)

    It really has to be one of my favorite things to do - if friends & family didn't think it was just nutty as hell... LOL image
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    << <i>Out there somewhere is a dropped number 4 on another Steelie. >>



    I've heard that term "dropped letter/number" and never really understood that - do numbers really get stuck in a die and fall off and stick to another coin?? I thought it was just a term for some other anomaly??

    BTW - added a 60x pic...
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    Anyone else have a filled die steel cent to post??
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>Out there somewhere is a dropped number 4 on another Steelie. >>



    I've heard that term "dropped letter/number" and never really understood that - do numbers really get stuck in a die and fall off and stick to another coin?? I thought it was just a term for some other anomaly??

    BTW - added a 60x pic... >>



    Everything in the die is reversed, so think of a reverse 4 filling up with debris and getting so tightly packed into the incused 4 on the die, it may eventually fall out onto a blank just like a Jell-O being released from a mold and depending how the loose compacted number 4 lands, (crosslet pointing right or left) the striking die will incuse the number 4 right into the surface of the next coin.

    Now you have a dropped letter/number error coin.
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    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Out there somewhere is a dropped number 4 on another Steelie. >>



    I've heard that term "dropped letter/number" and never really understood that - do numbers really get stuck in a die and fall off and stick to another coin?? I thought it was just a term for some other anomaly??

    BTW - added a 60x pic... >>



    Everything in the die is reversed, so think of a reverse 4 filling up with debris and getting so tightly packed into the incused 4 on the die, it may eventually fall out onto a blank just like a Jell-O being released from a mold and depending how the loose compacted number 4 lands, (crosslet pointing right or left) the striking die will incuse the number 4 right into the surface of the next coin.

    Now you have a dropped letter/number error coin. >>



    Oh, now I understand what it means... it's not the actual metal number from the coin that gets stuck in the die & then falls out... it's other debris that was clogging the die until it was so full that it released?? That's pretty cool - can you show me a coin that has a "dropped letter/number" so that I can see what it looks like? (I've only seen the term used on eBay when referring to the new golden dollar coins - and they all appeared to have simply been hit by another coin hard enough to have imprinted the reverse of a letter/number in the surface). Thanks for the explanation!!
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    I`m not too good on resurrecting old threads but I posted a Hawaii D 25c with a dropped Y on George`s neck
    I found at the end of `08.
    If someone can find that thread the pic there should still be good.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,032 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not worth a huge premium, maybe, but that's a pretty cool one. I've seen Wheaties with the final digit in the date weak or almost missing, but not the second-to-last digit. And it being a steelie, well... that's just neat.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,464 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I`m not too good on resurrecting old threads but I posted a Hawaii D 25c with a dropped Y on George`s neck
    I found at the end of `08.
    If someone can find that thread the pic there should still be good. >>





    resurrected....


    note "Y" on neck of george



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    LotsoLuckLotsoLuck Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭
    I have a few uncirculated one's in "S" and those all have a weak 4
    When I was cherry picking through the rolls there were several with the same thing going on.
    They were likely having a bad 4 day.
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    Very cool Washington pic - thanks for resurrecting it, I hadn't seen that one!!

    As for the '43-S... yes, I have noticed that the 4 is weak on many of them too... just never seen it completely disappear!
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    I had the chance to pick through about a few thousand circulated steelies and set aside the weak and missing "4"s. I came up with around 3 rolls. Most that I picked out were weak but there were a couple that were completely missing as yours is. They were a mix of PDS but most were P. 1 roll I sold on eBay ended at $16.68 3 years ago according to my archived sales (which is barely more than a regular steel roll should fetch). These are a neat variety to look at but not much in terms of value or rarity so I ended up keeping the other 2 rolls for my personal collection.
    A lie told often enough becomes the truth. ~Vladimir Lenin
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    Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭
    thats a really cool coin, ever think of salbbing it?
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    << <i>thats a really cool coin, ever think of salbbing it? >>



    Is that like licking it?? lol image

    Actually, I have quite a few low-end coins that I would greatly enjoy having slabbed, and have often considered getting a PCGS membership... but the costs are a bit prohibitive for such low-end coins as I collect... I have smooth-edge Washington $'s, IHC's with MPD's & RPD's, and various other "widgets"... but nothing that really costs more than twice the price of grading/shipping/insurance.
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    ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    I've seen other examples of steel cents missing the 4. No real premium, but interesting none the less.


    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
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    Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    hmmm salbbing a coin sounds,,,un-sanitary somehow.
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