Frankly I don't get it.

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 1:49AM

Thoughts?

lawnmowerman · April 7, 2009 1:52AM

Sorry about that Craig

*edit

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 1:56AM

I should give a little more detail, I guess. The 9 is mine, the 10 is 4SC's.

Anyone care to compare?

lsutigers1973 · April 7, 2009 1:58AM

I agree. How did your card get a 9?

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 1:59AM

Never get cheated.

ElToroLoco · April 7, 2009 2:04AM

Wow, I guess when graders have to go over a 2,000 card order, some might get through. All those look like crap except the 80 Topps, but I may have missed something, the other 10's have rough edges or a bad corner.

lawnmowerman · April 7, 2009 2:08AM

Craig, your card is a little oc left to right but I have seen way worse in 10 slabs.

The 4sc's card is centered better but is really hairy on the edges.

swartz1 · April 7, 2009 2:08AM

I guess what we could do is...

ask 4sc if we can piggyback off of their orders...

leathtech · April 7, 2009 2:09AM

<< Wow, I guess when graders have to go over a 2,000 card order, some might get through. All those look like crap except the 80 Topps, but I may have missed something, the other 10's have rough edges or a bad corner. >>

You can really see rough edges and bad corners??? My eyes must really suck!

OAKESY25 · April 7, 2009 2:10AM

the centering on the 10 is better.. IMO

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 2:15AM

<< the centering on the 10 is better.. IMO >>

I agree, the t/b centering is better on the 10, but what's with that right edge?

larryallen73 · April 7, 2009 2:17AM

Maybe the grader thought the 4sc card was an OPC so gave it a bump for the OPC'esque rough cut!?

lawnmowerman · April 7, 2009 2:18AM

<< 

<< the centering on the 10 is better.. IMO >>

I agree, the t/b centering is better on the 10, but what's with that right edge? >>

Maybe the grader was confused and thought it was an OPC issue?

lawnmowerman · April 7, 2009 2:19AM

<< Maybe the grader thought the 4sc card was an OPC so gave it a bump for the OPC'esque rough cut!? >>

Hey!

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 2:21AM

<< Wow, I guess when graders have to go over a 2,000 card order, some might get through. All those look like crap except the 80 Topps, but I may have missed something, the other 10's have rough edges or a bad corner. >>

Well, then I guess we can only hope for some similar gifts on the group submission.

OAKESY25 · April 7, 2009 2:23AM

I was under the impression they do not detract for rough cuts?? maybe I am wrong.. but it appears I am not.. lol

can we get some poppage??

WinPitcher · April 7, 2009 2:25AM

Craig

I know the price differential can be great between the 2 grades but IMO a 9 is a 10 and a 10 is a 9
on any given day. As for the specific examples you are showing I have no idea. I do see the wavy
top right edge on the 10 and hope it is the scan.

Steve

Dboneesq · April 7, 2009 2:26AM

Craig,

If we use the others to compare then YES your card belongs in a TEN holder. I think by now we all realize that PSA is just like most other companies ... they take better care of their biggest customers/clients. Is it fair? Of course not. Is it a fact of life? Unfortunately I believe it is.

larryallen73 · April 7, 2009 2:28AM

Hey!

Hey LMM, maybe you should use justsnipe, or a service like that, to try and get your jokes in earlier!

WinPitcher · April 7, 2009 2:28AM

Sadly this is a situation (grading) that we brought upon ourselves.

Steve

lawnmowerman · April 7, 2009 2:33AM

<< Hey!

Hey LMM, maybe you should use justsnipe, or a service like that, to try and get your jokes in earlier!

>>

LOL!

If I did, I would probably end up getting locked out of my cu account ala ebay

Dboneesq · April 7, 2009 2:35AM

<< Sadly this is a situation (grading) that we brought upon ourselves.

Steve >>

Personally, I am more old school when it comes to this GREAT hobby of ours. I still LOVE the hobby today, but loved it even more back in the early 80s (when I got back into collecting) BEFORE grading ... BEFORE eBay ... BEFORE one could buy as many cards as one wished from the comfort of ones home! Going to shows almost EVERY SATURDAY and SUNDAY ... driving from one small show to another ... buying cards one at a time ... selling at some of the shows ... THAT, to me, was a better hobby!

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 2:53AM

<< Craig

I know the price differential can be great between the 2 grades but IMO a 9 is a 10 and a 10 is a 9
on any given day. As for the specific examples you are showing I have no idea. I do see the wavy
top right edge on the 10 and hope it is the scan.

Steve >>

Well, thankfully in this instance, the price difference is virtually nothing since the card is fairly unvaluable in either slab.

I just happened to notice it while listing mine on eBay and gathering data from other items on eBay to determine my asking price.

KbKards · April 7, 2009 2:58AM

At the bottom left to right your card is off center greater than 55/45. I assume it's your submission, so centering doesn't look bad to you, but how many people want to see 10's with that kind of centering.

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 3:08AM

<< At the bottom left to right your card is off center greater than 55/45. I assume it's your submission, so centering doesn't look bad to you, but how many people want to see 10's with that kind of centering. >>

I don't disagree. I generally have a reasonable eye and don't play favorites with my cards over someone elses. I've had cards come back as 10's that I've later upgraded to a better looking 10. I hold no delusions that my cards deserve better status than anothers.

My issue is with wondering how that other one got a 10...

billwaltonsbeard · April 7, 2009 3:13AM

<< Personally, I am more old school when it comes to this GREAT hobby of ours. I still LOVE the hobby today, but loved it even more back in the early 80s (when I got back into collecting) BEFORE grading ... BEFORE eBay ... BEFORE one could buy as many cards as one wished from the comfort of ones home! Going to shows almost EVERY SATURDAY and SUNDAY ... driving from one small show to another ... buying cards one at a time ... selling at some of the shows ... THAT, to me, was a better hobby! >>

I couldn't agree more. Even though Im a huge Ebay fiend, I truly do miss the days of the local Saturday card shows.

lsutigers1973 · April 7, 2009 3:17AM

<< Personally, I am more old school when it comes to this GREAT hobby of ours. I still LOVE the hobby today, but loved it even more back in the early 80s (when I got back into collecting) BEFORE grading ... BEFORE eBay ... BEFORE one could buy as many cards as one wished from the comfort of ones home! Going to shows almost EVERY SATURDAY and SUNDAY ... driving from one small show to another ... buying cards one at a time ... selling at some of the shows ... THAT, to me, was a better hobby! >>

That brought a tear to my eye. Think I will go to eBay now and buy some Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids and stockup on my Kevin Seitzer and Matt Nokes rookies.

itzagoner · April 7, 2009 3:22AM

<< Matt Nokes rookies. >>

cruel reminder.........you'll pay for this.

billwaltonsbeard · April 7, 2009 3:24AM

whats the VCP on a PSA 9 87 Topps Tr Nokes?

lsutigers1973 · April 7, 2009 3:25AM

<< whats the VCP on a PSA 9 87 Topps Tr Nokes? >>

Current SMR says one wooden nickle or equal to one 1991 Leaf Steve Decker PSA 9.

hammered · April 7, 2009 3:37AM

How's the reverse centering on yours? That has brought down some of mine in the past...

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 5:00AM

<< How's the reverse centering on yours? That has brought down some of mine in the past... >>

Pretty decent...

jeffcbay · April 7, 2009 5:04AM

<< That brought a tear to my eye. Think I will go to eBay now and buy some Series 1 Garbage Pail Kids and stockup on my Kevin Seitzer and Matt Nokes rookies. >>

Post of the month!

CardPuppet · April 7, 2009 11:47AM

I apologize for going off topic, but I just noticed OAKSEY25 has 2130 posts AND a gehrig avatar.

Were those posts consecutive?

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 12:07PM

<< I apologize for going off topic, but I just noticed OAKSEY25 has 2130 posts AND a gehrig avatar.

Were those posts consecutive? >>

Well played!

Jeff85fan · April 7, 2009 12:45PM

Its tough to make any presumptions about any card from any scan. The White 9 definitely looks incredible, and, who knows, with a resub it could get a 10. What I don't understand is the assumption that 4SC or any of the larger submitters somehow get preferred treatment when they get their cards graded. Isn't it possible that they either have a staff of really trained folks sorting through cards or we don't ever see their lesser grade stuff for sale because there's no money in that? I have trouble believing that a company such as PSA would go out of their way giving grade bumps to a huge submitter, but then I just might be a naive fool.

RawPlusSlabbed · April 7, 2009 2:51PM

<< I guess what we could do is...

ask 4sc if we can piggyback off of their orders... >>

Bingo!

PowderedH2O · April 7, 2009 11:32PM

I got a 10 Roger Clemens from them a few weeks ago with a considerable wax stain the size of a dime on the back of the card. Go figure.

gumbyfan · April 7, 2009 11:37PM

<< Its tough to make any presumptions about any card from any scan. The White 9 definitely looks incredible, and, who knows, with a resub it could get a 10. What I don't understand is the assumption that 4SC or any of the larger submitters somehow get preferred treatment when they get their cards graded. Isn't it possible that they either have a staff of really trained folks sorting through cards or we don't ever see their lesser grade stuff for sale because there's no money in that? I have trouble believing that a company such as PSA would go out of their way giving grade bumps to a huge submitter, but then I just might be a naive fool. >>

Boopotts · April 7, 2009 11:41PM

<< Its tough to make any presumptions about any card from any scan. The White 9 definitely looks incredible, and, who knows, with a resub it could get a 10. What I don't understand is the assumption that 4SC or any of the larger submitters somehow get preferred treatment when they get their cards graded. Isn't it possible that they either have a staff of really trained folks sorting through cards or we don't ever see their lesser grade stuff for sale because there's no money in that? I have trouble believing that a company such as PSA would go out of their way giving grade bumps to a huge submitter, but then I just might be a naive fool. >>

PSA doesn't play favorite. It's popular to speculate that they do, but I can tell you with nearly 100% confidence that they do not. You can ask Roger about that-- he submits more cards than anyone else on these boards (he probably subbed 15,000 last year). I'm probably second only to Roger in terms of volume here, and my grades are also in-line with the results I see other board members posting.

jradke4 · April 8, 2009 12:06AM

the back suggests your card has a tilt to it. look at the top border on the back. to me it looks like the 248 is closer to the edge of the card than the blue line close to the left upper back corner. maybe its just my eyes.

but i do agree with the person that says a 9 is a 10 and 10 is a 9. that has been my feeling from the start. its a crap shoot on if a 9 becomes a 10 or not.

lsutigers1973 · April 8, 2009 12:17AM

Craig,

I am truly friggin sorry this happened to you. My deepest condolences.

grote15 · April 8, 2009 12:50PM

Centering is noticeably better on the 10, which carries a lot of weight with this issue...the 9 is accurately graded, IMO...an argument can be made that the 10 should be a 9, especially if there is chipping along the right edge, but I have also found that PSA does not often penalize for rough cuts from the factory..if it's chipping, that should be different, though..

Frankly I don't get it.

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