<< <i>Notice I got a 4 on one card, I didn't recall any card in this set that bad?
14446784 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 1 MARGARET LINDSAY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446785 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 2 AZALIE CECIL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446786 MINT 9 OC 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 3 CONSTANCE BERGEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446787 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 4 PAT PATERSON B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446788 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 5 POLLY WATERS B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446789 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 6 MAUREEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446790 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 7 LITA CHEVRET B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446791 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 8 MAXINE GREENWOOD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE 14446792 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 9 DIANA CHASE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446793 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 10 ANNE RUTHERFORD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446794 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 11 MERNA KENNEDY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446795 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 12 DOROTHY DAWES B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 13 MARDA DEERING B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446797 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 14 SUZANNE KAAREN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 15 ROSE BLANCHE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446799 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 16 IDA LUPINO B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446800 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 17 TAMARA DESNI B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446801 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 18 DOROTHY LAMOUR B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card 14446802 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 19 MOVITA CASTENADA B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446803 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 20 EVELYN KELLY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446804 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 21 JOAN BLONDELL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446805 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 22 VIRGINIA GREY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 23 EVE THORNE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446807 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 24 MARY MAGUIRE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446808 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 25 GRACE STEWART B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US Total Items: 25 Date Received: 2/27/2009 Date Shipped: 3/20/2009 Order Status: Shipped >>
Just got the above from PSA today!
The PSA 4 (which got me initially wizzed-off!), after examining it in it's PSA slab, I noticed about "5 waves of wrinkles" on the front. You cannot notice these wrinkles looking straight at the card, but if you rotate the item, the wrinkles are easy to see, thus PSA 4 is the result.
So this is NOT just a modern card issue, but "70 year old photo cards" can have wrinkles too!
<< <i>Guys if yall have not noticed, I have not been the first to gripe about my grades! >>
You are correct, but you are the first to expect every card that comes out of a modern pack to be a PSA 10. Plus, you said every card was at least an 8. All but 2 of yours were at least 8's.
<< <i>Guys if yall have not noticed, I have not been the first to gripe about my grades! >>
You are correct, but you are the first to expect every card that comes out of a modern pack to be a PSA 10. Plus, you said every card was at least an 8. All but 2 of yours were at least 8's. >>
I believe most of the cards did get undergraded yes, but when that 08 masterpiece Manning grades lower than my rivera rookie somnething is not right. Also when all of the cards are psa 8-10, andf the longoria is a 5 that makes you wonder...
I think we all know grades have been lower for some reason or another.
I will judge when my grades pop sometime in the next 12 months. I have 3 cards out of my sub that look steller to the rest. I looked at them over and over again with magnifying glass. If one of those are a 5 I will filp too.
<< <i>"...Also when all of the cards are psa 8-10, and the longoria is a 5 that makes you wonder... "
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I think I can safely "promise" that when you look at the card upon its return, you will no longer "wonder" why it got a 5.
The so-called "wrinkles and creases" are MICROSCOPIC and are VERY difficult to spot. But, they ARE there.
My collection of "5s that were 10s" is LARGE. I simply missed the micro defects. It's just part of the game.
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NOTHING wrong with complaining, though. >>
Thanks man...I really appreciate it...I will definitly look at it when it gets back...I really appreciate your help, and for not being a jerk and making all of these smart comments! Thanks Mike
I've only submitted just over a hundred cards (to both PSA and SGC) and I have only been surprised by one card total (and it was a cheap card). Both companies were on-time or early and the grades were about as expected, never a EOT or rejection of any kind. A few came back a grade higher, only three came back lower than expected (2 by one grade, 1 by two grades). I've had super fortune, but I am meticulous as hell. I measure the cards , check the edges and surfaces under magnification, and at multiple angles in a dark room with a bright light. Hopefully I haven't jinxed myself by spouting off, diligence pays. As a side note, I've never sent in anything newer than 1983, so I have no first-hand knowledge of shiny cards and the like.
I am all for complaining when you have a legitimate gripe but when you missed a back crease and sent in an OC card then I dont think a thread is warranted.
Good complaining threads
-Trimmed Jordan RC pulled out of a group rip from BBCE -PSA grading trimmed 1975s minis from big time sellers using a known shorter color variation too trim all cards to that size. It took a whole lot of complaining to get that issue resolved. -Rons thread about his 58s that got 6s when they should have got 7s and 8s.
those are some easy examples of good griping threads. Seeing some of the grades that popped at Chicago, those dealers should start a few threads here.
Currently completing the following registry sets: Cardinal HOF's, 1961 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1972 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, 1980 Pittsburgh Pirates Team, Bill Mazeroski Master & Basic Sets, Roberto Clemente Master & Basic Sets, Willie Stargell Master & Basic Sets and Terry Bradshaw Basic Set
If we want to complain how about complaining about collectors who overpay for centered cards while overlooking OBVIOUS defects that make 80/20 centering awesome by comparison. Seriously this card has about 45 print marks on it and if you connect them I think it may be the face of Jesus which may explain the silly price.
Alright, since this thread has turned into a total train wreck, I'll add my two cents.
I'm so sick of the "loupe" suggestions. A loupe isn't any good if you have no idea how to use it and louping a card isn't the end-all to getting PSA 10's on modern cards. Inadequate or inappropriate louping is a fault of many and is the easiest way to get results that are more than disappointing.
There are at least 10 primary aspects to a card that need to ALWAYS be examined. There are four sides, four corners and front and back surfaces at the very least (ignoring for the moment things such as registration, print defects, implied centering on unbordered cards, etc).
The first thing that one needs to understand is that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered.
When examining a card, one should learn the simple technique of candeling or angling a card to view the surface(s). This is done by viewing the card under a strong light source and tilting the card from 0 degrees to 180 degress then turning it 90 degrees and repeating the procedure. This will, upon close scrutiny, expose potential surface flaws. This should be repeated again on the reverse.
Then, the card should be examined for printing or registration flaws.
Lastly, the corners should be examined and this is the only time I would recommend the use of a loupe.
Keep in mind that a PSA 10 does not require PERFECT corners (or perfect centering) and that minute lifts may not be visible using a loupe (but would show when candeling).
So, if you can honestly say that you've performed inspection of at least 20 aspects on the front and 20 more on the back (intial and 90 degree candeling) as well as thorough examination of the 8 corners (front and back), then you MAY have a gripe. Otherwise, let's give the grader the benefit of the doubt until you can review the card again...
Also, a lot of you need to buy a 10x loupe. Either that or stop submitting cards and buy them already slabbed in the grade you desire.
Ditto...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
The loupe has saved me lots of money on subs of 70s cards...I've pulled a number of 10s that way, including several 1 of 1s from 1973-1979..
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I think the loupe suggestion isn't geared towards getting more, higher grades more so than it is a suggestion to avoid disappointment that a naked eye lookover may miss.
Scott makes some great points, as I can say with near 100% confidence that anyone can improve their PSA 10 hit rate by 15% just by paying more attention the surface on the 'shiny stuff'. But with that said, you still do need a loupe (if you're looking to hit 10's), and if you don't have one about 20% is the best you can hope for. It doesn't matter on stuff like Finest, Bowman Chrome, or other indestructible issues, but with the paper stock cards (Bowman Heritage, etc.) you are going to submit too many cards w/ slightly rounded corners if you don't use a loupe.
Also, the point about the slight lifts is excellent, although I'd add that you also need to look for dents. Put the card up to a strong light, and see if any of the corners don't refract the light properly. You can see slight bends in the corners this way, and you won't pick that up with a loupe.
Did anyone learn anything about what to look for before a sub (...or after, did you miss something, after another closer examination)?
surface wrinkles back creases refractor lines scratches in the surface gloss technique of candling or angling a card to view the surfaces (tilting cards from 0 to 180 degrees under strong lighting) that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered printing or registration flaws other surface flaws examining under a strong light and use of a jewelers' loop examination of 8 corners (i.e., front and reverse) centering ...and more!
Enough of this, let's get back to complaining about complaining and just how worthless this thread was.
I thought this thread was very informative.....I know from personally experience, if you arent happy with your grades, break them out and resub....I have had 5's come back 8's that way...and that was a 1961 Fleer Basketball set where the difference between a 5 and 8 is HUGE moneywise......I have also sent rejected cards from PSA to SGC and gotten them slabbed and vice versa......it never hurts to have a 2nd opinion, especially if you feel something was missed....
<< <i>Notice I got a 4 on one card, I didn't recall any card in this set that bad?
14446784 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 1 MARGARET LINDSAY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446785 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 2 AZALIE CECIL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446786 MINT 9 OC 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 3 CONSTANCE BERGEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446787 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 4 PAT PATERSON B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446788 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 5 POLLY WATERS B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446789 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 6 MAUREEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446790 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 7 LITA CHEVRET B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446791 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 8 MAXINE GREENWOOD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE 14446792 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 9 DIANA CHASE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446793 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 10 ANNE RUTHERFORD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446794 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 11 MERNA KENNEDY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446795 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 12 DOROTHY DAWES B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 13 MARDA DEERING B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446797 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 14 SUZANNE KAAREN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 15 ROSE BLANCHE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446799 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 16 IDA LUPINO B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446800 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 17 TAMARA DESNI B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446801 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 18 DOROTHY LAMOUR B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card 14446802 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 19 MOVITA CASTENADA B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446803 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 20 EVELYN KELLY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446804 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 21 JOAN BLONDELL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446805 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 22 VIRGINIA GREY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 23 EVE THORNE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446807 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 24 MARY MAGUIRE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US 14446808 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 25 GRACE STEWART B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US Total Items: 25 Date Received: 2/27/2009 Date Shipped: 3/20/2009 Order Status: Shipped >>
Just got the above from PSA today!
The PSA 4 (which got me initially wizzed-off!), after examining it in it's PSA slab, I noticed about "5 waves of wrinkles" on the front. You cannot notice these wrinkles looking straight at the card, but if you rotate the item, the wrinkles are easy to see, thus PSA 4 is the result.
So this is NOT just a modern card issue, but "70 year old photo cards" can have wrinkles too!
rd
>>
wish i had me a time machine so's i could go back in time and meets Lita.
Did anyone learn anything about what to look for before a sub (...or after, did you miss something, after another closer examination)?
surface wrinkles back creases refractor lines scratches in the surface gloss technique of candling or angling a card to view the surfaces (tilting cards from 0 to 180 degrees under strong lighting) that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered printing or registration flaws other surface flaws examining under a strong light and use of a jewelers' loop examination of 8 corners (i.e., front and reverse) centering ...and more!
Enough of this, let's get back to complaining about complaining and just how worthless this thread was.
That's more fun!
rd >>
RD:
Stop it... There's no sense in pointing out the informative aspect of a thread! It's much better to leave those that already know everything to skip over all of the information provided and find some useless nugget to hang an insult upon.
And in the future, I'll refer to the "procedure" as shadowing. It's more descriptive, easier to type and spell and will never be confused with chicken's eggs (any farmers will understand).
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...
<< <i>If we want to complain how about complaining about collectors who overpay for centered cards while overlooking OBVIOUS defects that make 80/20 centering awesome by comparison. Seriously this card has about 45 print marks on it and if you connect them I think it may be the face of Jesus which may explain the silly price.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Everyone seems to forget that this is the same guy that asked for opinions on a Peyton Manning auto card even though he is a proclaimed Manning expert. He is told on here that the auto is probably a fake. About a month later he posts it for sale on the BST board and claims he is 100% sure the auto is authentic because he got it in person.
<< <i>Everyone seems to forget that this is the same guy that asked for opinions on a Peyton Manning auto card even though he is a proclaimed Manning expert. He is told on here that the auto is probably a fake. About a month later he posts it for sale on the BST board and claims he is 100% sure the auto is authentic because he got it in person. >>
I didn't forget but then I'm an idiot that remembers stuff like this.
I am here to complain about the mylar sleeve and not men complaining about men starting threads complaing about grades but complains when they have to show a scan and complaining about the man not showing a scan.
<< <i>Everyone seems to forget that this is the same guy that asked for opinions on a Peyton Manning auto card even though he is a proclaimed Manning expert. He is told on here that the auto is probably a fake. About a month later he posts it for sale on the BST board and claims he is 100% sure the auto is authentic because he got it in person. >>
<< <i>Now where's the scan of that flawless Longoria? >>
Better yet....I'll offer you $50 shipped on the Longoria so long as I receive it in the PSA 5 slab. I will look it over and if I find nothing wrong, I will crack and resubmit it myself on my own dime. If it comes back a 10, I'll sell it back to you for the same $50.
anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
If there wasn't a limit, that would so be in my sig line because I don't think, based upon my time here, which has been quite a few years, I don't think I've seen a sentence this long but at least he did use commas, which do make the reading a tad better even though it's still kinda long, don't you think?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
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<< <i>Notice I got a 4 on one card, I didn't recall any card in this set that bad?
14446784 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 1 MARGARET LINDSAY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446785 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 2 AZALIE CECIL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446786 MINT 9 OC 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 3 CONSTANCE BERGEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446787 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 4 PAT PATERSON B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446788 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 5 POLLY WATERS B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446789 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 6 MAUREEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446790 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 7 LITA CHEVRET B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446791 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 8 MAXINE GREENWOOD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE
14446792 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 9 DIANA CHASE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446793 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 10 ANNE RUTHERFORD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446794 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 11 MERNA KENNEDY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446795 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 12 DOROTHY DAWES B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 13 MARDA DEERING B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446797 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 14 SUZANNE KAAREN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 15 ROSE BLANCHE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446799 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 16 IDA LUPINO B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446800 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 17 TAMARA DESNI B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446801 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 18 DOROTHY LAMOUR B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card
14446802 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 19 MOVITA CASTENADA B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446803 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 20 EVELYN KELLY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446804 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 21 JOAN BLONDELL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446805 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 22 VIRGINIA GREY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 23 EVE THORNE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446807 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 24 MARY MAGUIRE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446808 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 25 GRACE STEWART B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
Total Items: 25
Date Received: 2/27/2009
Date Shipped: 3/20/2009
Order Status: Shipped >>
Just got the above from PSA today!
The PSA 4 (which got me initially wizzed-off!), after examining it in it's PSA slab, I noticed about "5 waves of wrinkles" on the front. You cannot notice these wrinkles looking straight at the card, but if you rotate the item, the wrinkles are easy to see, thus PSA 4 is the result.
So this is NOT just a modern card issue, but "70 year old photo cards" can have wrinkles too!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
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I like those.
One of the great things about this board is getting to see things that I have never seen before.
Thanks for sharing the scans.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
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<< <i>Guys if yall have not noticed, I have not been the first to gripe about my grades! >>
You are correct, but you are the first to expect every card that comes out of a modern pack to be a PSA 10. Plus, you said every card was at least an 8. All but 2 of yours were at least 8's.
<< <i>
<< <i>Guys if yall have not noticed, I have not been the first to gripe about my grades! >>
You are correct, but you are the first to expect every card that comes out of a modern pack to be a PSA 10. Plus, you said every card was at least an 8. All but 2 of yours were at least 8's. >>
I believe most of the cards did get undergraded yes, but when that 08 masterpiece Manning grades lower than my rivera rookie somnething is not right. Also when all of the cards are psa 8-10, andf the longoria is a 5 that makes you wonder...
I will judge when my grades pop sometime in the next 12 months. I have 3 cards out of my sub that look steller to the rest. I looked at them over and over again with magnifying glass. If one of those are a 5 I will filp too.
My Sandberg topps basic set
My Sandberg Topps Master set
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I think I can safely "promise" that when you look at the
card upon its return, you will no longer "wonder" why it
got a 5.
The so-called "wrinkles and creases" are MICROSCOPIC
and are VERY difficult to spot. But, they ARE there.
My collection of "5s that were 10s" is LARGE. I simply
missed the micro defects. It's just part of the game.
........
NOTHING wrong with complaining, though.
<< <i>
I like those.
One of the great things about this board is getting to see things that I have never seen before.
Thanks for sharing the scans. >>
Me too! Im also very suprised those are from 1939, I didnt think they made nice looking women like that back then.
Edit- The more I look at them I like the PSa 4 the best!
<< <i>"...Also when all of the cards are psa 8-10, and the longoria is a 5 that makes you wonder... "
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I think I can safely "promise" that when you look at the
card upon its return, you will no longer "wonder" why it
got a 5.
The so-called "wrinkles and creases" are MICROSCOPIC
and are VERY difficult to spot. But, they ARE there.
My collection of "5s that were 10s" is LARGE. I simply
missed the micro defects. It's just part of the game.
........
NOTHING wrong with complaining, though. >>
Thanks man...I really appreciate it...I will definitly look at it when it gets back...I really appreciate your help, and for not being a jerk and making all of these smart comments! Thanks Mike
Also, a lot of you need to buy a 10x loupe. Either that
or stop submitting cards and buy them already slabbed in the grade you desire.
Good complaining threads
-Trimmed Jordan RC pulled out of a group rip from BBCE
-PSA grading trimmed 1975s minis from big time sellers using a known shorter color variation too trim all cards to that size. It took a whole lot of complaining to get that issue resolved.
-Rons thread about his 58s that got 6s when they should have got 7s and 8s.
those are some easy examples of good griping threads. Seeing some of the grades that popped at Chicago, those dealers should start a few threads here.
Like the one PhillipshillGolden made the other day.
Steve
1960 Aaron
That was graded way back too.
Steve
I'm so sick of the "loupe" suggestions. A loupe isn't any good if you have no idea how to use it and louping a card isn't the end-all to getting PSA 10's on modern cards. Inadequate or inappropriate louping is a fault of many and is the easiest way to get results that are more than disappointing.
There are at least 10 primary aspects to a card that need to ALWAYS be examined. There are four sides, four corners and front and back surfaces at the very least (ignoring for the moment things such as registration, print defects, implied centering on unbordered cards, etc).
The first thing that one needs to understand is that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered.
When examining a card, one should learn the simple technique of candeling or angling a card to view the surface(s). This is done by viewing the card under a strong light source and tilting the card from 0 degrees to 180 degress then turning it 90 degrees and repeating the procedure. This will, upon close scrutiny, expose potential surface flaws. This should be repeated again on the reverse.
Then, the card should be examined for printing or registration flaws.
Lastly, the corners should be examined and this is the only time I would recommend the use of a loupe.
Keep in mind that a PSA 10 does not require PERFECT corners (or perfect centering) and that minute lifts may not be visible using a loupe (but would show when candeling).
So, if you can honestly say that you've performed inspection of at least 20 aspects on the front and 20 more on the back (intial and 90 degree candeling) as well as thorough examination of the 8 corners (front and back), then you MAY have a gripe. Otherwise, let's give the grader the benefit of the doubt until you can review the card again...
Also, a lot of you need to buy a 10x loupe. Either that
or stop submitting cards and buy them already slabbed in the grade you desire.
Ditto...
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
I usually send in cards from the 50's though.
Anything else IMO is a waste of time and money.
Steve
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Also, the point about the slight lifts is excellent, although I'd add that you also need to look for dents. Put the card up to a strong light, and see if any of the corners don't refract the light properly. You can see slight bends in the corners this way, and you won't pick that up with a loupe.
I don't know what this is but it sounds naughty.
Let's see, was this thread a waste of time?
Did anyone learn anything about what to look for before a sub (...or after, did you miss something, after another closer examination)?
surface wrinkles
back creases
refractor lines
scratches in the surface gloss
technique of candling or angling a card to view the surfaces (tilting cards from 0 to 180 degrees under strong lighting)
that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered
printing or registration flaws
other surface flaws
examining under a strong light and use of a jewelers' loop
examination of 8 corners (i.e., front and reverse)
centering
...and more!
Enough of this, let's get back to complaining about complaining and just how worthless this thread was.
That's more fun!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
<< <i>
<< <i>Notice I got a 4 on one card, I didn't recall any card in this set that bad?
14446784 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 1 MARGARET LINDSAY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446785 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 2 AZALIE CECIL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446786 MINT 9 OC 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 3 CONSTANCE BERGEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446787 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 4 PAT PATERSON B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446788 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 5 POLLY WATERS B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446789 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 6 MAUREEN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446790 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 7 LITA CHEVRET B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446791 VERY GOOD-EXCELLENT 4 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 8 MAXINE GREENWOOD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE
14446792 EXCELLENT-MINT+ 6.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 9 DIANA CHASE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446793 NEAR MINT+ 7.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 10 ANNE RUTHERFORD B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446794 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 11 MERNA KENNEDY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446795 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 12 DOROTHY DAWES B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446796 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 13 MARDA DEERING B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446797 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 14 SUZANNE KAAREN B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446798 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 15 ROSE BLANCHE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446799 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 16 IDA LUPINO B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446800 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 17 TAMARA DESNI B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446801 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 18 DOROTHY LAMOUR B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card
14446802 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 19 MOVITA CASTENADA B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446803 NEAR MINT 7 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 20 EVELYN KELLY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446804 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 21 JOAN BLONDELL B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446805 MINT 9 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 22 VIRGINIA GREY B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446806 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 23 EVE THORNE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446807 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 24 MARY MAGUIRE B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
14446808 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1939 GODFREY PHILLIPS LTD. BEAUTIES OF TO-DAY 25 GRACE STEWART B.D.V. EXTRA LARGE Card US
Total Items: 25
Date Received: 2/27/2009
Date Shipped: 3/20/2009
Order Status: Shipped >>
Just got the above from PSA today!
The PSA 4 (which got me initially wizzed-off!), after examining it in it's PSA slab, I noticed about "5 waves of wrinkles" on the front. You cannot notice these wrinkles looking straight at the card, but if you rotate the item, the wrinkles are easy to see, thus PSA 4 is the result.
So this is NOT just a modern card issue, but "70 year old photo cards" can have wrinkles too!
rd
wish i had me a time machine so's i could go back in time and meets Lita.
When you use that time machine, also stop by and visit Anne, Tamara, Movita, Evelyn, Grace, Rose, Azalie & Joan!
rd
Quicksilver Messenger Service - Smokestack Lightning (Live) 1968
Quicksilver Messenger Service - The Hat (Live) 1971
<< <i>Let's see, was this thread a waste of time?
Did anyone learn anything about what to look for before a sub (...or after, did you miss something, after another closer examination)?
surface wrinkles
back creases
refractor lines
scratches in the surface gloss
technique of candling or angling a card to view the surfaces (tilting cards from 0 to 180 degrees under strong lighting)
that all cards are not the same and each issue will have a specific set of variables that must be considered
printing or registration flaws
other surface flaws
examining under a strong light and use of a jewelers' loop
examination of 8 corners (i.e., front and reverse)
centering
...and more!
Enough of this, let's get back to complaining about complaining and just how worthless this thread was.
That's more fun!
rd >>
RD:
Stop it... There's no sense in pointing out the informative aspect of a thread! It's much better to leave those that already know everything to skip over all of the information provided and find some useless nugget to hang an insult upon.
And in the future, I'll refer to the "procedure" as shadowing. It's more descriptive, easier to type and spell and will never be confused with chicken's eggs (any farmers will understand).
Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Hi Scott
<< <i>If we want to complain how about complaining about collectors who overpay for centered cards while overlooking OBVIOUS defects that make 80/20 centering awesome by comparison. Seriously this card has about 45 print marks on it and if you connect them I think it may be the face of Jesus which may explain the silly price.
1960 Aaron >>
Actually the dots form Barry Bond's head (enlarged variation).
The prophetic nature of the card warrants the price.
<< <i>Everyone seems to forget that this is the same guy that asked for opinions on a Peyton Manning auto card even though he is a proclaimed Manning expert. He is told on here that the auto is probably a fake. About a month later he posts it for sale on the BST board and claims he is 100% sure the auto is authentic because he got it in person. >>
I didn't forget but then I'm an idiot that remembers stuff like this.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
<< <i>I didn't forget but then I'm an idiot that remembers stuff like this. >>
I respect your stupidity Jeff.
Where's the scan?
What he said.
Musical interlude
when they have to show a scan and complaining about the man not showing a scan.
ON ITS WAY TO NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92658
<< <i>Everyone seems to forget that this is the same guy that asked for opinions on a Peyton Manning auto card even though he is a proclaimed Manning expert. He is told on here that the auto is probably a fake. About a month later he posts it for sale on the BST board and claims he is 100% sure the auto is authentic because he got it in person. >>
I seem to remember this as well.
Now where's the scan of that flawless Longoria?
<< <i>Now where's the scan of that flawless Longoria? >>
Better yet....I'll offer you $50 shipped on the Longoria so long as I receive it in the PSA 5 slab. I will look it over and if I find nothing wrong, I will crack and resubmit it myself on my own dime. If it comes back a 10, I'll sell it back to you for the same $50.
You can't lose.
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
Can someone translate that for me?
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>anything 5 or higher is still a pretty good grade, especially older cards, but newer cards i think they know they not so rare that they do that on purpose, ive seen 5s that look like nines and 5s that look like 4s , so they are very inconsistend, and i would value anything over 5s cause mint condition means flawless, and that is hard to do, i only got a few 10s and many 5-6s >>
If there wasn't a limit, that would so be in my sig line because I don't think, based upon my time here, which has been quite a few years, I don't think I've seen a sentence this long but at least he did use commas, which do make the reading a tad better even though it's still kinda long, don't you think?
Where did you find the Burger King and Ronald clip?
Looking for Charlie (Charley) Maxwell cards.