They have been posted and discussed here before. Cool vids, I like when he throws the guys game used jersey in the oil pan while the guy is explaining how much time he spent tracking the guy down and sending it to him to sign.
I love when he gets to the 1948 Leaf Football binder and damn nearly Sh#ts.....I wish the camera woulda zoomed in more, but its still a real cool video. That old man has a Very nice vintage filled collection!!! I think Mr Mint made out well in the deal.
Got to meet him last week, couldn't resist having him sign one of the cards he had on the table in front of him
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Exhausting (in an exciting way) just looking at it on video - I roughed it out quickly based on the cards and Rosen's "reaction" to the cards - For example I think those 62 and 63 sets are in very high grade condition based on the way Rosen "hesitated" and stared at a few of them, and I think with getting some or a lot of those cards graded, I could've surpassed $200K on ebay without breaking a sweat - Rosen made a nice killing on that deal...and what else is new?
This naive seller could've simply consigned it to an ebay seller, etc...he easily left $100 thou on the table without even thinking hard about it, and probably a lot more. But I guess he needed cash very quickly for medical expenses or something, and I'm sure Rosen knew that.
I'm not sure when that was filmed....but it amazes me that in this day and age that people still sell to him and probably only get 40% to 60% market value while they could put those vintage sets and rare items in a major national auction and get top dollar for it.
<< <i>I'm not sure when that was filmed....but it amazes me that in this day and age that people still sell to him and probably only get 40% to 60% market value while they could put those vintage sets and rare items in a major national auction and get top dollar for it. >>
60% of market value...and adding in an easy way to dodge taxes...and the difference between market value and what he pays is perhaps somewhat less, Dan. But Alan has always been an a$$hole to me, and I can't wait for 12/31/2010 to come.
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I dont know why I dont like this guy, other than I have seen him burtally rip peoples pride and joy apart in front of large crowds I have to give him props for making a great living working in the hobby.
I though he was being a bit a an a$$ with the comments below.
"Your a little slow, your a midwestner" ? WTH?
Threw a game used autograbhed jersey in oil?
The start of video 3 "The Mint man knows!" lol
Really cut down the Football
87 Fleer basketball possibly 2, $50?
Last but not least the dude working the camera sounds like me on a camera which was really annoying..
I think in the end it sounds like the guy got an amazing return on investment. Kinda sad in a way.
He has given the collecting community 21 months to say their fond farewells before his retirement. I'm counting the days....
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I didn't really see anything wrong with the way he handled the buy other than the way he flippantly handled the cards. If that was my stuff he was handling like that I would tell him to get his claws off and get out of my house.
I guess the guy really doesn't know any better since they are all scattered around and in binders though.
As far as his offers on stuff, the seller can always just say no or counter offer. I mean, what is he suppose to do, offer the top amount that he thinks he can get for all of it?
If someone comes into my car dealership and has a car for sale that will bring $10,000 at a wholesale, I might offer them $7000 first and go from there. Cardbuying/selling is his business and he treats it as thus.
Edit to say that I don't know the guy or any of his past indescretions that some of the rest of you may know.
<< <i>I didn't really see anything wrong with the way he handled the buy other than the way he flippantly handled the cards. If that was my stuff he was handling like that I would tell him to get his claws off and get out of my house.
I guess the guy really doesn't know any better since they are all scattered around and in binders though.
As far as his offers on stuff, the seller can always just say no or counter offer. I mean, what is he suppose to do, offer the top amount that he thinks he can get for all of it?
If someone comes into my car dealership and has a car for sale that will bring $10,000 at a wholesale, I might offer them $7000 first and go from there. Cardbuying/selling is his business and he treats it as thus.
Edit to say that I don't know the guy or any of his past indescretions that some of the rest of you may know. >>
Give me a break.... Mr. Mint makes me puke. He is taking that old guy to the cleaners. Mr. Mint doesn't make me laugh anymore, he makes me puke. chaz
What is a reasonable percentage for any would-be buyer to pay for a collection? For example, if this collection had a break value of 200K as was suggested would Mr. Mint's offer of 80K be considered lowball or would it be considered fair? Would one be expected to offer 100K in order that profit could be doubled? Would 150K be a fair offer? I know every deal is different, but generally speaking how much of a profit should a buyer be allowed to make? Maybe some of the store owners can shed some light on how they go about assessing how much to pay for a collection.
Eyebone
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<< <i>What is a reasonable percentage for any would-be buyer to pay for a collection? For example, if this collection had a break value of 200K as was suggested would Mr. Mint's offer of 80K be considered lowball or would it be considered fair? Would one be expected to offer 100K in order that profit could be doubled? Would 150K be a fair offer? I know every deal is different, but generally speaking how much of a profit should a buyer be allowed to make? Maybe some of the store owners can shed some light on how they go about assessing how much to pay for a collection.
Eyebone >>
The "problem" is that the other weasel baseball card dealers who the seller likely contacted, probably offered him less, or couldn't come up with the quick cash that Rosen had - 80K cash isn't peanuts. The seller seemed satisfied especially since it was almost like "found money" because he didn't have much cost in the collection. Wolf Rosen made a killing, and the sheep seller was satisfied...that's how it went down.
<< <i>What is a reasonable percentage for any would-be buyer to pay for a collection? For example, if this collection had a break value of 200K as was suggested would Mr. Mint's offer of 80K be considered lowball or would it be considered fair? Would one be expected to offer 100K in order that profit could be doubled? Would 150K be a fair offer? I know every deal is different, but generally speaking how much of a profit should a buyer be allowed to make? Maybe some of the store owners can shed some light on how they go about assessing how much to pay for a collection.
Eyebone >>
The "problem" is that the other weasel baseball card dealers who the seller likely contacted, probably offered him less, or couldn't come up with the quick cash that Rosen had - 80K cash isn't peanuts. The seller seemed satisfied especially since it was almost like "found money" because he didn't have much cost in the collection. Wolf Rosen made a killing, and the sheep seller was satisfied...that's how it went down. >>
Good point, anyone who walks around with $110,000 in his pants is more likely to pull off a large deal.
Edit to say: I hope he travles with more than the guys he was with in the video, that is very dangerous IMO.
The seller made out like a bandit. How many times did he say he paid 20.00 for a set that Rosen paid him 1500.00 for? Some of you guys make me laugh. If Rosen made 33% on that deal I'd be surprised. What was he supposed to pay? 100%?
When contract time comes around in your field do you tell the boss you do not want a raise?
Or do you negotiate?
Some here are just jealous of the guy. Period.
I wonder how much some of you would have offered the guy had he called on you?
Mr. Mint in my opinion is horrible. He tears this guys collection apart, flipping through the cards like they are trash when he knows he has some serious money sitting in those binders, otherwise Mr. Mints greasy little bald head wouldn't be there. This guy is ridiculous and the jersey thing was totally classless! He doesn't care about the hobby or sports, its just money. Nothing to be proud of when your whole career has been taking advantage of people, even if he has had some great finds! Still, the people who go to him more or less deserve what they get because its not hard to find out how he opperates. As neat as it is to see collections like this its sad to see people dealt with in that manner. I wish I could just see a collection like that let alone buy one and the it seems Mr. Mint has forgotten what this should be all about, if he ever knew in the first place.
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I don't know Mr. Mint and I've never dealt with him.
It did make me feel uneasy/sad to see the way he handled that collection. I know he's done this 100 (500?) times, but I feel like no matter how many times I did, I would never lose that excited feeling. I got the feeling that it was just another day for him. I'm glad that baseball cards aren't my "living" because it would make me sad to think that it's just business and not fun. I enjoy it too much.
But to him its just business, and each of those little pieces of cardboard that I'd treat like gold are just commodities. So that's that.
Wait - I just thought about this? Is that 2010 "retiring" date also the last issue of SCD? I'm wondering how they'll stay in business without Mr Mint's ad revenue.
Coaches Corner can only take so many pages in a magazine before it becomes strictly a CC publication.
<< <i>The seller made out like a bandit. How many times did he say he paid 20.00 for a set that Rosen paid him 1500.00 for? Some of you guys make me laugh. If Rosen made 33% on that deal I'd be surprised. What was he supposed to pay? 100%?
When contract time comes around in your field do you tell the boss you do not want a raise?
Or do you negotiate?
Some here are just jealous of the guy. Period.
I wonder how much some of you would have offered the guy had he called on you?
Prolly not 80k. That is if you even had it.
Corvette, I have to agree with you.
C'mon steve. You are way off base here. Rosen took him to the cleaners period. He redicullously low balled the old guy big time as he always does. chaz
<< <i>Mr. Mint in my opinion is horrible. He tears this guys collection apart, flipping through the cards like they are trash when he knows he has some serious money sitting in those binders, otherwise Mr. Mints greasy little bald head wouldn't be there. This guy is ridiculous and the jersey thing was totally classless! He doesn't care about the hobby or sports, its just money. Nothing to be proud of when your whole career has been taking advantage of people, even if he has had some great finds! Still, the people who go to him more or less deserve what they get because its not hard to find out how he opperates. As neat as it is to see collections like this its sad to see people dealt with in that manner. I wish I could just see a collection like that let alone buy one and the it seems Mr. Mint has forgotten what this should be all about, if he ever knew in the first place. >>
I don't know Mr. Rosen nor have I ever dealt with him, but I am astounded by his lack of professionalism. You would think anyone at his level of this "hobby" would treat the merchandise and the seller with more care. A few points:
How many cards due to his rough handling, look closely at how he bends all the cards positioned in the top right corner of the pages, lost a point or two in grading? And did you see they way he manhandled the cards when he took them out of the pages or tossed the binders down? Anyone who values cards and the owner of them would not toss them around.
The throwing out of dollar figures and lack of time spend examining the cards seem disrespectful to me. This gentleman obviously was an avid collector and put a lot of time and money (maybe not lots of money, but by the looks of his house he's not a rich man) into his collection. You'd think Mr. Rosen might take a little time to hear him out.
If it was me, I probably would have asked them to leave soon after they started in on my collection. My collection has always meant more to me than money even though I know someone or I will sell my collection when the time comes. I just hope the buyer shows me or my family a little more respect that what was shown in the videos.
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<< <i>I don't know Mr. Rosen nor have I ever dealt with him, but I am astounded by his lack of professionalism. You would think anyone at his level of this "hobby" would treat the merchandise and the seller with more care. A few points:
How many cards due to his rough handling, look closely at how he bends all the cards positioned in the top right corner of the pages, lost a point or two in grading? And did you see they way he manhandled the cards when he took them out of the pages or tossed the binders down? Anyone who values cards and the owner of them would not toss them around.
The throwing out of dollar figures and lack of time spend examining the cards seem disrespectful to me. This gentleman obviously was an avid collector and put a lot of time and money (maybe not lots of money, but by the looks of his house he's not a rich man) into his collection. You'd think Mr. Rosen might take a little time to hear him out.
If it was me, I probably would have asked them to leave soon after they started in on my collection. My collection has always meant more to me than money even though I know someone or I will sell my collection when the time comes. I just hope the buyer shows me or my family a little more respect that what was shown in the videos. >>
Come on now...haven't you ever traded in a car?...Since when does the car dealer say "You've got a beautiful used car there?" I promise you that as soon as Rosen had the cards in his possession, he handled the cards with kid gloves and didn't abuse them at all because then the merchandise was his. He simply puts on a dog & pony show, an act, that he's not that interested and the cards are not that great - of course he can't make it too obvious, and occasionally you see a compliment or two from him, but overall Rosen is very shrewd and handled the situation superbly in his aspect. And yes, it's all about the money to him as it is with most weasel baseball card dealers.
I say the old guy did pretty good. Made $80k cash -- didn't have to leave his house. Didn't have to pack and haul all that stuff off. Didn't have to worry about buyers complaining about trimmed, marked, or creased cards, worry about bounced checks or credit card chargebacks, organizing it all, researching how to grade the stuff (and go through all the procedures and expense to get it graded), finding an auction house, signing contracts to consign the stuff, etc., etc., etc. I assume when you're in getting on in years, you simply don't want to mess around with all that anymore, even if it means more $$$. Just my opinion.
It is odvious Mr. Mint knew he was dealing with a guy who didn't have that much into his collection. Anything recieved would be close to "found" money. He has refined his act over the years.....treat the merchandise like garbage and you can buy for less...treat it like a ming dynasty vase and you pay more. Flipping through a set in 20 seconds gives the persona that the cards are not worth very much to the seller. Repeat this many times and you are conditioning the seller for a "lower" price. He certainly knows that money talks and BS walks...and most dealers cannot handle the larger collections. His advertizing makes sure he gets first crack. I wonder if a local dealer who couldn't handle it brought him in for the deal...and would be getting a small % as commission to do so. Mr. Mint also knows what he is looking at and spent more time on the more valuable things and flew threw the "lesser" items. He is buying at worst case senario ....anything beyond that is gravy. I have never met Mr. Mint but other have and most say the same thing. He does what has developed and works for him. He knows the secret to making $ in the sports memorbilia business is the buying not the selling. I expect he has a network of other dealers he flips to for a fast deal. Picks the cream of the crop and flips the rest. I wonder how many of his customers are first and only time sellers? After all...sell your complete collection and what do you have to sell to him at a later date? Right...nothing. So most "professional" business tactics to keep customer coming back are out the window. Like antique dealers and used card salesman.....many card dealers will take you for all you can if you will let them. You could just tell the seller was like a lemming marching to his death. Was the offer fair? I dunno. Seller could have declined.....
Legionnaire rosen was asked to come. He came, he looked, and he conquered.
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<< <i>It is odvious Mr. Mint knew he was dealing with a guy who didn't have that much into his collection. Anything recieved would be close to "found" money. He has refined his act over the years.....treat the merchandise like garbage and you can buy for less...treat it like a ming dynasty vase and you pay more. Flipping through a set in 20 seconds gives the persona that the cards are not worth very much to the seller. Repeat this many times and you are conditioning the seller for a "lower" price. He certainly knows that money talks and BS walks...and most dealers cannot handle the larger collections. His advertizing makes sure he gets first crack. I wonder if a local dealer who couldn't handle it brought him in for the deal...and would be getting a small % as commission to do so. Mr. Mint also knows what he is looking at and spent more time on the more valuable things and flew threw the "lesser" items. He is buying at worst case senario ....anything beyond that is gravy. I have never met Mr. Mint but other have and most say the same thing. He does what has developed and works for him. He knows the secret to making $ in the sports memorbilia business is the buying not the selling. I expect he has a network of other dealers he flips to for a fast deal. Picks the cream of the crop and flips the rest. I wonder how many of his customers are first and only time sellers? After all...sell your complete collection and what do you have to sell to him at a later date? Right...nothing. So most "professional" business tactics to keep customer coming back are out the window. Like antique dealers and used card salesman.....many card dealers will take you for all you can if you will let them. You could just tell the seller was like a lemming marching to his death. Was the offer fair? I dunno. Seller could have declined.....
Legionnaire rosen was asked to come. He came, he looked, and he conquered. >>
I didn't "absorb" the whole video...but I think Rosen also brought either one or two of his sons along...figuring air fare, rental car, packaging costs to take it to a UPS center to ship it to his location, that is a fair amount of money and time there - Rosen basically had this deal consummated before going there - he would have never gone through all that just to go there to give the guy an estimate hoping to get the deal - that deal was no doubt 99.9% done when he got there. Actually I think Rosen had the extra money in his pocket anticipating paying more, and the collection was actually better than he thought..in my opinion the seller could have easily, EASILY, gotten another 20K out of Rosen, but again the seller I think needed money quickly for something...house payment, medical expenses...it was something that made him want to sell quickly for a lot of cash...and having time trying to get top dollar wasn't an option.
I've only watched the first couple of video clips, but the price he was offering for some of the '50s sets didn't seem too out of line (assuming his verbal grades he was assigning were close to accurate). I do agree however that his handling of the cards was less than desirable.
<< <i>I've only watched the first couple of video clips, but the price he was offering for some of the '50s sets didn't seem too out of line (assuming his verbal grades he was assigning were close to accurate). I do agree however that his handling of the cards was less than desirable. >>
Verbal grades accurate?
I'll tell you how verbal grades basically work with weasel baseball card dealers - When they're buying, the EXMT-NM cards are VG-EX...and when they're selling, the VG-EX cards are EXMT-NM.
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I almost died when the guy yelled there is oil down there and that Braves uni got ruined.
80k sounds like a fair price.
Every time I ever interacted with Rosen I had no probs.
Steve
Why is that?
Steve
<< <i>They have been posted and discussed here before. >>
I thought they were posted here once but when I searched the old topics I didn't find anything.
Just a refresh
That old man has a Very nice vintage filled collection!!! I think Mr Mint made out well in the deal.
Got to meet him last week, couldn't resist having him sign one of the cards he had on the table in front of him
Mark
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Mike
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This naive seller could've simply consigned it to an ebay seller, etc...he easily left $100 thou on the table without even thinking hard about it, and probably a lot more. But I guess he needed cash very quickly for medical expenses or something, and I'm sure Rosen knew that.
I hate that guy gets to ever put in greasy fingers on priceless stuff
<< <i>I'm not sure when that was filmed....but it amazes me that in this day and age that people still sell to him and probably only get 40% to 60% market value while they could put those vintage sets and rare items in a major national auction and get top dollar for it. >>
60% of market value...and adding in an easy way to dodge taxes...and the difference between market value and what he pays is perhaps somewhat less, Dan. But Alan has always been an a$$hole to me, and I can't wait for 12/31/2010 to come.
what does this mean???
Steve
I though he was being a bit a an a$$ with the comments below.
"Your a little slow, your a midwestner" ? WTH?
Threw a game used autograbhed jersey in oil?
The start of video 3 "The Mint man knows!" lol
Really cut down the Football
87 Fleer basketball possibly 2, $50?
Last but not least the dude working the camera sounds like me on a camera which was really annoying..
I think in the end it sounds like the guy got an amazing return on investment. Kinda sad in a way.
Mr, Mints first deal, good story
Edit for terrible verbage
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I guess the guy really doesn't know any better since they are all scattered around and in binders though.
As far as his offers on stuff, the seller can always just say no or counter offer. I mean, what is he suppose to do, offer the top amount that he thinks he can get for all of it?
If someone comes into my car dealership and has a car for sale that will bring $10,000 at a wholesale, I might offer them $7000 first and go from there. Cardbuying/selling is his business and he treats it as thus.
Edit to say that I don't know the guy or any of his past indescretions that some of the rest of you may know.
<< <i>I didn't really see anything wrong with the way he handled the buy other than the way he flippantly handled the cards. If that was my stuff he was handling like that I would tell him to get his claws off and get out of my house.
I guess the guy really doesn't know any better since they are all scattered around and in binders though.
As far as his offers on stuff, the seller can always just say no or counter offer. I mean, what is he suppose to do, offer the top amount that he thinks he can get for all of it?
If someone comes into my car dealership and has a car for sale that will bring $10,000 at a wholesale, I might offer them $7000 first and go from there. Cardbuying/selling is his business and he treats it as thus.
Edit to say that I don't know the guy or any of his past indescretions that some of the rest of you may know. >>
Give me a break.... Mr. Mint makes me puke. He is taking that old guy to the cleaners. Mr. Mint doesn't make me laugh anymore, he makes me puke. chaz
Eyebone
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<< <i>Be sure to get one of these too! >>
LOL
<< <i>What is a reasonable percentage for any would-be buyer to pay for a collection? For example, if this collection had a break value of 200K as was suggested would Mr. Mint's offer of 80K be considered lowball or would it be considered fair? Would one be expected to offer 100K in order that profit could be doubled? Would 150K be a fair offer? I know every deal is different, but generally speaking how much of a profit should a buyer be allowed to make? Maybe some of the store owners can shed some light on how they go about assessing how much to pay for a collection.
Eyebone >>
The "problem" is that the other weasel baseball card dealers who the seller likely contacted, probably offered him less, or couldn't come up with the quick cash that Rosen had - 80K cash isn't peanuts. The seller seemed satisfied especially since it was almost like "found money" because he didn't have much cost in the collection. Wolf Rosen made a killing, and the sheep seller was satisfied...that's how it went down.
<< <i>
<< <i>What is a reasonable percentage for any would-be buyer to pay for a collection? For example, if this collection had a break value of 200K as was suggested would Mr. Mint's offer of 80K be considered lowball or would it be considered fair? Would one be expected to offer 100K in order that profit could be doubled? Would 150K be a fair offer? I know every deal is different, but generally speaking how much of a profit should a buyer be allowed to make? Maybe some of the store owners can shed some light on how they go about assessing how much to pay for a collection.
Eyebone >>
The "problem" is that the other weasel baseball card dealers who the seller likely contacted, probably offered him less, or couldn't come up with the quick cash that Rosen had - 80K cash isn't peanuts. The seller seemed satisfied especially since it was almost like "found money" because he didn't have much cost in the collection. Wolf Rosen made a killing, and the sheep seller was satisfied...that's how it went down. >>
Good point, anyone who walks around with $110,000 in his pants is more likely to pull off a large deal.
Edit to say: I hope he travles with more than the guys he was with in the video, that is very dangerous IMO.
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that Rosen paid him 1500.00 for? Some of you guys make me laugh. If Rosen made
33% on that deal I'd be surprised. What was he supposed to pay? 100%?
When contract time comes around in your field do you tell the boss you do not want a raise?
Or do you negotiate?
Some here are just jealous of the guy. Period.
I wonder how much some of you would have offered the guy had he called on you?
Prolly not 80k. That is if you even had it.
Corvette, I have to agree with you.
Steve
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It did make me feel uneasy/sad to see the way he handled that collection. I know he's done this 100 (500?) times, but I feel like no matter how many times I did, I would never lose that excited feeling. I got the feeling that it was just another day for him. I'm glad that baseball cards aren't my "living" because it would make me sad to think that it's just business and not fun. I enjoy it too much.
But to him its just business, and each of those little pieces of cardboard that I'd treat like gold are just commodities. So that's that.
Edited to better convey my thought.
Somewhere in the middle is the reality on Big Al.
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<< <i>
When contract time comes around in your field do you tell the boss you do not want a raise?
Or do you negotiate? >>
I ask for 10% and end up with the 3.5% I was really after in the first place. Shoot for the moon to get the stars.
Rosen working on a 33% profit margin?
Now that is funny.
Coaches Corner can only take so many pages in a magazine before it becomes strictly a CC publication.
<< <i>The seller made out like a bandit. How many times did he say he paid 20.00 for a set
that Rosen paid him 1500.00 for? Some of you guys make me laugh. If Rosen made
33% on that deal I'd be surprised. What was he supposed to pay? 100%?
When contract time comes around in your field do you tell the boss you do not want a raise?
Or do you negotiate?
Some here are just jealous of the guy. Period.
I wonder how much some of you would have offered the guy had he called on you?
Prolly not 80k. That is if you even had it.
Corvette, I have to agree with you.
C'mon steve. You are way off base here. Rosen took him to the cleaners period. He redicullously low balled the old guy big time as he always does. chaz
Steve >>
<< <i>Mr. Mint in my opinion is horrible. He tears this guys collection apart, flipping through the cards like they are trash when he knows he has some serious money sitting in those binders, otherwise Mr. Mints greasy little bald head wouldn't be there. This guy is ridiculous and the jersey thing was totally classless! He doesn't care about the hobby or sports, its just money. Nothing to be proud of when your whole career has been taking advantage of people, even if he has had some great finds! Still, the people who go to him more or less deserve what they get because its not hard to find out how he opperates. As neat as it is to see collections like this its sad to see people dealt with in that manner. I wish I could just see a collection like that let alone buy one and the it seems Mr. Mint has forgotten what this should be all about, if he ever knew in the first place. >>
Totally agree. Excellent points. chaz
Face it you guys have no idea when it comes to buying sportscards.
The guy got 80k for gods sakes.
Steve
<< <i>
I ask for 10% and end up with the 3.5% I was really after in the first place. Shoot for the moon to get the stars. >>
Wouldn't it make more sense to shoot for the stars and (only) reach the moon? The stars are a lot farther away than the moon.
How many cards due to his rough handling, look closely at how he bends all the cards positioned in the top right corner of the pages, lost a point or two in grading? And did you see they way he manhandled the cards when he took them out of the pages or tossed the binders down?
Anyone who values cards and the owner of them would not toss them around.
The throwing out of dollar figures and lack of time spend examining the cards seem disrespectful to me. This gentleman obviously was an avid collector and put a lot of time and money (maybe not lots of money, but by the looks of his house he's not a rich man) into his collection. You'd think Mr. Rosen might take a little time to hear him out.
If it was me, I probably would have asked them to leave soon after they started in on my collection. My collection has always meant more to me than money even though I know someone or I will sell my collection when the time comes. I just hope the buyer shows me or my family a little more respect that what was shown in the videos.
<< <i>I don't know Mr. Rosen nor have I ever dealt with him, but I am astounded by his lack of professionalism. You would think anyone at his level of this "hobby" would treat the merchandise and the seller with more care. A few points:
How many cards due to his rough handling, look closely at how he bends all the cards positioned in the top right corner of the pages, lost a point or two in grading? And did you see they way he manhandled the cards when he took them out of the pages or tossed the binders down?
Anyone who values cards and the owner of them would not toss them around.
The throwing out of dollar figures and lack of time spend examining the cards seem disrespectful to me. This gentleman obviously was an avid collector and put a lot of time and money (maybe not lots of money, but by the looks of his house he's not a rich man) into his collection. You'd think Mr. Rosen might take a little time to hear him out.
If it was me, I probably would have asked them to leave soon after they started in on my collection. My collection has always meant more to me than money even though I know someone or I will sell my collection when the time comes. I just hope the buyer shows me or my family a little more respect that what was shown in the videos. >>
Come on now...haven't you ever traded in a car?...Since when does the car dealer say "You've got a beautiful used car there?" I promise you that as soon as Rosen had the cards in his possession, he handled the cards with kid gloves and didn't abuse them at all because then the merchandise was his. He simply puts on a dog & pony show, an act, that he's not that interested and the cards are not that great - of course he can't make it too obvious, and occasionally you see a compliment or two from him, but overall Rosen is very shrewd and handled the situation superbly in his aspect. And yes, it's all about the money to him as it is with most weasel baseball card dealers.
Mr. Mint also knows what he is looking at and spent more time on the more valuable things and flew threw the "lesser" items. He is buying at worst case senario ....anything beyond that is gravy.
I have never met Mr. Mint but other have and most say the same thing. He does what has developed and works for him. He knows the secret to making $ in the sports memorbilia business is the buying not the selling. I expect he has a network of other dealers he flips to for a fast deal. Picks the cream of the crop and flips the rest.
I wonder how many of his customers are first and only time sellers? After all...sell your complete collection and what do you have to sell to him at a later date? Right...nothing. So most "professional" business tactics to keep customer coming back are out the window.
Like antique dealers and used card salesman.....many card dealers will take you for all you can if you will let them. You could just tell the seller was like a lemming marching to his death. Was the offer fair? I dunno. Seller could have declined.....
Legionnaire rosen was asked to come. He came, he looked, and he conquered.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
<< <i>It is odvious Mr. Mint knew he was dealing with a guy who didn't have that much into his collection. Anything recieved would be close to "found" money. He has refined his act over the years.....treat the merchandise like garbage and you can buy for less...treat it like a ming dynasty vase and you pay more. Flipping through a set in 20 seconds gives the persona that the cards are not worth very much to the seller. Repeat this many times and you are conditioning the seller for a "lower" price. He certainly knows that money talks and BS walks...and most dealers cannot handle the larger collections. His advertizing makes sure he gets first crack. I wonder if a local dealer who couldn't handle it brought him in for the deal...and would be getting a small % as commission to do so.
Mr. Mint also knows what he is looking at and spent more time on the more valuable things and flew threw the "lesser" items. He is buying at worst case senario ....anything beyond that is gravy.
I have never met Mr. Mint but other have and most say the same thing. He does what has developed and works for him. He knows the secret to making $ in the sports memorbilia business is the buying not the selling. I expect he has a network of other dealers he flips to for a fast deal. Picks the cream of the crop and flips the rest.
I wonder how many of his customers are first and only time sellers? After all...sell your complete collection and what do you have to sell to him at a later date? Right...nothing. So most "professional" business tactics to keep customer coming back are out the window.
Like antique dealers and used card salesman.....many card dealers will take you for all you can if you will let them. You could just tell the seller was like a lemming marching to his death. Was the offer fair? I dunno. Seller could have declined.....
Legionnaire rosen was asked to come. He came, he looked, and he conquered. >>
I didn't "absorb" the whole video...but I think Rosen also brought either one or two of his sons along...figuring air fare, rental car, packaging costs to take it to a UPS center to ship it to his location, that is a fair amount of money and time there - Rosen basically had this deal consummated before going there - he would have never gone through all that just to go there to give the guy an estimate hoping to get the deal - that deal was no doubt 99.9% done when he got there. Actually I think Rosen had the extra money in his pocket anticipating paying more, and the collection was actually better than he thought..in my opinion the seller could have easily, EASILY, gotten another 20K out of Rosen, but again the seller I think needed money quickly for something...house payment, medical expenses...it was something that made him want to sell quickly for a lot of cash...and having time trying to get top dollar wasn't an option.
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<< <i>I've only watched the first couple of video clips, but the price he was offering for some of the '50s sets didn't seem too out of line (assuming his verbal grades he was assigning were close to accurate). I do agree however that his handling of the cards was less than desirable. >>
Verbal grades accurate?
I'll tell you how verbal grades basically work with weasel baseball card dealers - When they're buying, the EXMT-NM cards are VG-EX...and when they're selling, the VG-EX cards are EXMT-NM.
Agree with the above poster, the guy got 80k and did none of the real work.
Also, Mr. Mint knew that the guy did not have much into it because the guy
made it a point by saying things like 'yeah I bought that entire set for 20.00"
I think many here are simply jealous of the guy.
FWIW Alan will wholesale those cards out to other dealers and he will leave them a lil room.
Most here are ignorant of how it works and that is fine.
Of course if someone called them with a collection they would act probably worse then Rosen.
They are the true weasels IMO.
Steve