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  • mmync
    mmync Posts: 678 ✭
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    1 grader being wrong = A possible mistake

    3 graders being wrong = Dishonesty & politics
  • LakersFAN
    LakersFAN Posts: 288 ✭✭
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    << <i>1 grader being wrong = A possible mistake

    3 graders being wrong = Dishonesty & politics >>





    U hit the Nail on the HEAD!
  • psafan
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    How about 3 graders did NOT look at that card
  • Gonblott
    Gonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
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    << <i>How about 3 graders did NOT look at that card >>



    HEER HEER
  • LakersFAN
    LakersFAN Posts: 288 ✭✭
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    Well the CS person made the statement about 3 graders checked it, and they all claimed EOT, I ASSUME the CS person is not lying and if she did lie, then there is still Politics Involved
  • prscott933
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    << <i>Well the CS person made the statement about 3 graders checked it, and they all claimed EOT, I ASSUME the CS person is not lying and if she did lie, then there is still Politics Involved >>



    the CS probably just knows the "policy" and doesn't know the exact details of this card...
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  • TNP777
    TNP777 Posts: 5,711 ✭✭✭
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    This thread is going to get waaaay more interesting, I've got a feeling.

    Who's got the popcorn smiley?

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  • lsutigers1973
    lsutigers1973 Posts: 11,093 ✭
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    Anyone know if I won yet?
  • CDsNuts
    CDsNuts Posts: 10,092 ✭
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    You guys are all hilarious.
  • jcdcubs
    jcdcubs Posts: 341
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    Give you $50 for the Jordan...

    Then I will send to BCCG. Maybe BCCG will give a 10!!!!!!image
  • swartz1
    swartz1 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭
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    the three grader thing is hilarious...

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  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    Joe has said that up to 3 people will look at a card only if the 1st person is unsure.

    The CS rep just spouted policy.

    IMO 1 person graded that card.

    My question is why did the OP have to call CS back and tell them Joe wants to look at the
    card before it ships? He can't do that?

    That confused me.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • diamondman
    diamondman Posts: 2,020 ✭
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    << <i>the three grader thing is hilarious...

    I got a bridge for you... >>



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  • SoFLPhillyFan
    SoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭
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    << <i>My question is why did the OP have to call CS back and tell them Joe wants to look at the
    card before it ships? He can't do that?

    That confused me.

    Steve >>




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  • mmync
    mmync Posts: 678 ✭
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    << <i>Joe has said that up to 3 people will look at a card only if the 1st person is unsure.

    The CS rep just spouted policy.

    IMO 1 person graded that card.

    My question is why did the OP have to call CS back and tell them Joe wants to look at the
    card before it ships? He can't do that?

    That confused me.

    Steve >>





    Great point Steve
  • psafan
    psafan Posts: 232
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    << <i>Joe has said that up to 3 people will look at a card only if the 1st person is unsure. >>



    If someone is unsure, why would they be working there??? Would you feel safe going to a hospital having surgery performed if the doctor was unsure on what he was doing? Get your head out of the sand guys, wake up...
  • Brick
    Brick Posts: 5,003 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    How airtight is security on these packages? Do we know with 100% certainty the card packaged and sent is the same card the grader sees? Can Graders be collectors or is that considered a conflict of interest? If Graders are not collectors does that make training more difficult?
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  • mkg809
    mkg809 Posts: 1,320 ✭✭
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  • mickeymantle24
    mickeymantle24 Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭
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    Can somebody give me Joe Orlandos email? Sorry about what happened man. What is up with psa lately. Having alot of problems...
  • LakersFAN
    LakersFAN Posts: 288 ✭✭
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    i Dont have a problem with someone being unsure, but beacuse they are unsure they Label it EOT versus MSR it hits all of our Pocket books, Again i think the grader should Educate Us to what he saw so that we accept it or not. But every grader should be held responsible for his or her Final Grades.
  • OAKESY25
    OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
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    joe@collectors.com
  • mickeymantle24
    mickeymantle24 Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>joe@collectors.com >>



    Thanks I really appreciate it! Mike
  • stown
    stown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
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    1) BBCE sponsors a group "case fresh" rip on CU
    2) Group rips and scans cards on CU
    3) Some of group submits said cards to PSA
    4) PSA deems some said cards EOT and customer serivce hassles submitter

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  • ElToroLoco
    ElToroLoco Posts: 914 ✭
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    Since were on to possible conspiracy theories, maybe leathtech did a switch on the card, and sent in a trimmed one? It's also possible that the box was a bad one that got by Steve? Although those possibilities are ever so slight..... My belief is that it's a rookie grader that made a mistake....he was to confident in his decision to let another person look at it....
  • onefasttalon
    onefasttalon Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭
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    "How airtight is security on these packages? Do we know with 100% certainty the card packaged and sent is the same card the grader sees? Can Graders be collectors or is that considered a conflict of interest? If Graders are not collectors does that make training more difficult? "

    I was thinking the same thing... it's an interesting (and disturbing) thought.

    What will be interesting is, if this card get MSR'd... how certain (Leathtech) can you be that the one you get back IS the one you sent in?

    I really hate this for you... I sure hope it get's righted and righted fast.
    I'm not ready to pull anchor on PSA... but would like to see a little more consistency.

    I would like to see ALL cards slabbed, maybe come up with a (EOT) or (MSR) qualifier.

    Best of luck Leathtech, I'm anxiously awaiting a positive out-come!
    I'm also hoping a positive outcome re-assures Felicia so we can start enjoying her rip!


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  • OAKESY25
    OAKESY25 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭
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    the best of brick

    no offense brick.. your name just reminded me
  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    PsaFan that is the most rediculous analogy that I have ever heard.

    Grading cards is not like going to the hospital. So tell me Mr. Psafan

    at your job are you 100% sure 100% of the time?

    Or do you even work?


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • LakersFAN
    LakersFAN Posts: 288 ✭✭
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    I would like to see ALL cards slabbed, maybe come up with a (EOT) or (MSR) qualifier.


    I agree with the MSR qualifier, beacuse the fact is the Card is Genuine Factory cut but a Factory defect Beacuse of Size etc
    Give the potential buyer another Option to a OC,PD,ST type of purchase
  • BIGBEN7
    BIGBEN7 Posts: 395 ✭✭✭
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    That is so crazy. You should get Steve from BBC to contact PSA to let them know you got this Jordan from the group break. PSA says trimming on your Jordan but yet gives the T 206 Wagner a PSA 8 when it was cut from a sheet. This just shows you the problem with these granding companies. If your Jordan was sent in by one of their big customers it would have come back PSA 10!
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  • Gonblott
    Gonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
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    << <i> PSA says trimming on your Jordan but yet gives the T 206 Wagner a PSA 8 when it was cut from a sheet. >>



    SO SO TRUE!
  • Gonblott
    Gonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
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    << <i>If your Jordan was sent in by one of their big customers it would have come back PSA 10! >>



    I agree
  • storm888
    storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
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    BBCE has no way to "vouch" for the integrity of the card.

    Only the submitter knows for sure that the card was pulled
    from the BBCE pack.

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  • leathtech
    leathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
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    << <i>Since were on to possible conspiracy theories, maybe leathtech did a switch on the card, and sent in a trimmed one? It's also possible that the box was a bad one that got by Steve? Although those possibilities are ever so slight..... My belief is that it's a rookie grader that made a mistake....he was to confident in his decision to let another person look at it.... >>



    Just so everyone knows I did nothing of the sort... the card went from pack to card saver to post office to psa.
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  • Gonblott
    Gonblott Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
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    leathtech wouldn't do that
  • mickeymantle24
    mickeymantle24 Posts: 2,768 ✭✭✭
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    << <i>leathtech wouldn't do that >>



    I agree with you....I hope this problem gets fixed!
  • HighChopper
    HighChopper Posts: 1,091
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    Is PSA having financial troubles?
    There's a hole in my head where the rain comes in.
  • 1980scollector
    1980scollector Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭
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    I believe there is less than .00000000000000000000000001% chance the OP would trim a legit card that alot thought would grade a PSA 9.


    The card is good and PSA made a mistake. A mistake that will cause him some headache and worries rightfully so.

    I could not imagine pulling an MJ from a pack and it coming back EOT- when I submitted both of mine in person at the big shows it never crossed my mind it may not be big enough or trimmed.

    I can tell you 86-87 fleer is not known for having smaller and larger cards in a pack(MSR)- the whole pack is exactly the same size in my experience.


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  • leathtech
    leathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
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    << <i>Joe has said that up to 3 people will look at a card only if the 1st person is unsure.

    The CS rep just spouted policy.

    IMO 1 person graded that card.

    My question is why did the OP have to call CS back and tell them Joe wants to look at the
    card before it ships? He can't do that?

    That confused me.

    Steve >>



    Good question... When I called CS the first time they said nothing could be done. I asked if they would review the card again and I explained the history of the card and how the break took place on the PSA board. The lady that answered the phone said that nothing could be done and she was sure the graders were correct because the card had been looked at by 3 different graders. I then asked if I could resub the card and she basically said no because the graders would have the same opinion that the card was EOT.

    The next step was an e-mail to Steve at the BBCE, he gave me JO's executive assistant's contact information.

    Next I got an automated reply that she was out of the office today. So I figured what the heck and just copied the same e-mail and sent it Joe.

    Within an hour he sent an e-mail back saying he would look into the issue.

    In about 30 mins he e-mail back again saying to call CS and ask for them to put a hold on the package or sent it back to PSA to JO attention.

    After calling CS back and trying to explain again what happened to a new CS lady, she found the package still at PSA and was going to direct it to Joe. She sound generally surprised that Joe had gotten involved in the situation.
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  • LakersFAN
    LakersFAN Posts: 288 ✭✭
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    PSA knows that Tech would send that Jordan card back in a Hot second! so that meens he pays Double, Everyone at PSA knows any Jordan card that u have in your hand u will send back
  • Pittfan
    Pittfan Posts: 476
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    Maybe the postman did a switcharoooooo!!!!!!!!
  • leathtech
    leathtech Posts: 3,191 ✭
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    << <i>Maybe the postman did a switcharoooooo!!!!!!!! >>



    the card was sealed up like it was the most expensive diamond in the world.

    I organized this rip because I always wanted to open a pack with a Jordan... I would have sent it in even it had four ding'ed corners and big chip taken out of the side.

    The whole experience has been a big buzz kill for me!
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  • WinPitcher
    WinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
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    As usual we are off on 1000 tangents with 1000 opinions.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • ldferg
    ldferg Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭
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    based on my experience re: the jordan i pulled a while back, i think it is a mistake and psa will make amends. the card looks like a solid 9 at a minimum. i subbed mine 2x to get the 9 i thought it deserved. however, the first attempt was not EOT.

    good luck leath, stay optimistic.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • initialD
    initialD Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭
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    Pulling a Jordan RC is definitely a cherishable occasion.

    Getting porked by a grader (or 3) makes that feel like pissin in the wind

    Wastin time & money submitting it a bunch of times gets frustrating.

    Glad you were able to catch it there, I'm sure everyone is ANXIOUS for the final answer

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  • initialD
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    << <i>as the company’s ability to generate positive cash flow >>



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  • itzagoner
    itzagoner Posts: 8,753 ✭✭
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    poison pill, huh. oh boy.
  • ldferg
    ldferg Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭
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    ping,
    very interesting. thanks for sharing.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • Dboneesq
    Dboneesq Posts: 18,222 ✭✭
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    Ping ... very interesting reading.

    Hmmmmm... how can we raise the EPS? Let's think ... we need more revenue ... How are we going to do that ... I wonder ... HEY, when people get grades lower than expected do you think they would crack and resubmit? NAH ... we can't do that ... it's unethical ... and after all, our customers are so loyal to us ... without them we would have nothing!
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  • digicat
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    What percentage of CU's business is PSA? I've always heard that their coin division was their biggest source of income.



    Edit to add:
    Yikes! As I was writing that, Pings post got strategically NUKED!
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