Robber shot and killed trying to hold up California coin shop
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SAN DIEGO — An armed man attempting to rob a North Park coin shop Friday morning was killed after he and at least one of the store's employees exchanged gunfire, police said.
The man and an accomplice went into the Old Coin Shop on El Cajon Boulevard, just east of Texas Street, at 9:16 a.m. and confronted two employees who were both armed with handguns, said San Diego police homicide Lt. Terry McManus.
About the same time police received a 911 call about the robbery and while en route, shots were fired inside the business, McManus said.
Officers found the would-be robber lying on the ground just east of the front door of the shop. McManus said his accomplice had picked him up from inside the store and brought him outside before fleeing.
The man had been shot in the left leg and in the lower back, and he died at Mercy Hospital at 9:54 a.m., the lieutenant said.
Witnesses said they saw the second man running from the store. He was described only as black and young, wearing a gray sweater and dark pants. He was last seen heading south on Arizona Street, McManus said.
Officer searching the area found clothing and a handgun in an alley behind a building on Hamilton Street near Howard Avenue, McManus said.
Police are also looking at an older-model car in the Denny's parking lot, which may have been driven by the pair, and are checking it for evidence.
McManus said it has not yet been determined how many shots were fired inside the store or if both employees fired or just one.
The store is equipped with a security system that allows employees to keep the front door locked and buzz customers in, but it was unclear whether that system was in use.
Investigators are also checking for any surveillance video from the store or nearby businesses.
Eric Diaz, 37, said he was in the Denny's restaurant next door washing his hands in the bathroom when he heard two pops and a big crash, which sounded like glass breaking.
Seconds later, police officers rushed into the restaurant's bathroom looking for the shooter. Outside, he saw one of the robbers lying motionless on the sidewalk.
The front glass door of the business, which has bars on the windows, was shattered.
Officers are still searching for the man's accomplice. El Cajon Boulevard, between Texas Street and Hamilton Street, is expected to remain closed for several hours as homicide detectives investigate. McManus said they hope to have the westbound lanes opened soon.
The dead man has not yet been identified.
The Old Coin Shop was founded in 1960 by Harlan White, according to the business's Web site. Over the years it has handled many rare and expensive coins, it said.
This isn't the first time the business has been targeted by robbers.
In 1994, a thief ran inside, wedged a newspaper under the doorjamb to keep the security door from locking behind him and ran out with about $500 in silver dollars, according to a news report. He was caught down the block by a good Samaritan who was driving by.
The man and an accomplice went into the Old Coin Shop on El Cajon Boulevard, just east of Texas Street, at 9:16 a.m. and confronted two employees who were both armed with handguns, said San Diego police homicide Lt. Terry McManus.
About the same time police received a 911 call about the robbery and while en route, shots were fired inside the business, McManus said.
Officers found the would-be robber lying on the ground just east of the front door of the shop. McManus said his accomplice had picked him up from inside the store and brought him outside before fleeing.
The man had been shot in the left leg and in the lower back, and he died at Mercy Hospital at 9:54 a.m., the lieutenant said.
Witnesses said they saw the second man running from the store. He was described only as black and young, wearing a gray sweater and dark pants. He was last seen heading south on Arizona Street, McManus said.
Officer searching the area found clothing and a handgun in an alley behind a building on Hamilton Street near Howard Avenue, McManus said.
Police are also looking at an older-model car in the Denny's parking lot, which may have been driven by the pair, and are checking it for evidence.
McManus said it has not yet been determined how many shots were fired inside the store or if both employees fired or just one.
The store is equipped with a security system that allows employees to keep the front door locked and buzz customers in, but it was unclear whether that system was in use.
Investigators are also checking for any surveillance video from the store or nearby businesses.
Eric Diaz, 37, said he was in the Denny's restaurant next door washing his hands in the bathroom when he heard two pops and a big crash, which sounded like glass breaking.
Seconds later, police officers rushed into the restaurant's bathroom looking for the shooter. Outside, he saw one of the robbers lying motionless on the sidewalk.
The front glass door of the business, which has bars on the windows, was shattered.
Officers are still searching for the man's accomplice. El Cajon Boulevard, between Texas Street and Hamilton Street, is expected to remain closed for several hours as homicide detectives investigate. McManus said they hope to have the westbound lanes opened soon.
The dead man has not yet been identified.
The Old Coin Shop was founded in 1960 by Harlan White, according to the business's Web site. Over the years it has handled many rare and expensive coins, it said.
This isn't the first time the business has been targeted by robbers.
In 1994, a thief ran inside, wedged a newspaper under the doorjamb to keep the security door from locking behind him and ran out with about $500 in silver dollars, according to a news report. He was caught down the block by a good Samaritan who was driving by.
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That's ultra high relief to me...
Thanks for the story. News to me, too, and I live in San Diego (well, Escondido, really, but close enough!)
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<< <i>It was NEW news to me. Thanks for the story. >>
Me too
<< <i>It was NEW news to me. Thanks for the story. >>
Ditto.
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<< <i>Obviously, the robbers had what was coming to them, but am I the only one who wonders if the man was actually "dragged out of the store by his accomplice" or shot in the back outside the store??? From the description, it is far from clear. >>
Many of us don't think this is relevant. The ACLU and all the attorneys who want to sue the coin shop will join you in wondering. You prefer they let him get away? --Jerry
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<< <i>Obviously, the robbers had what was coming to them, but am I the only one who wonders if the man was actually "dragged out of the store by his accomplice" or shot in the back outside the store??? From the description, it is far from clear. >>
Many of us don't think this is relevant. The ACLU and all the attorneys who want to sue the coin shop will join you in wondering. You prefer they let him get away? --Jerry >>
Scum bags have rights too:
Illegal Immigrants sue Arizona rancher for $32 Million
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Let me tell you right off the bat: This pisses me off. Some illegal immigrants are suing a rancher for rounding them up and turning them in to authorities. In my opinion these criminals, yes, these CRIMINALS, have no right to sue. For one they were crossing the border illegally. For another they were trespassing. They should be accepting the risks they took while doing illegal acts.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/200...rizona-rancher/
16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land
An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.
Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.
His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.
Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.
The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.
Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.
The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."
In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."
The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.
Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.
Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.
Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.
He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.
ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.
A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.
His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.
"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."
Watch out for those Coin guys packing heat!!
I have little sympathy for the deceased robber.
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A friend of mine, who was the owner of a corner store was held up . 3 to 4 non causcasion came into the store with sawed off shot guns. His wife , young daughter and himself were forced to lie on their backs , with a gun in their face. Dave (the owner ) was able to grab a 44 he had under his counter , while lieing on his back and killed one of the dis-advantaged youths.
He was later that day , arrested , and charged with murder. He then was slapped with a law suit by the dis-advantaged youths family . After spending almost all of his savings to defend himself , he sold his business and moved to Carroll county , a quieter area.
The only thing that evil people need to succeed , is for good people to do nothing.
<< <i>I'm sure glad this wasn't in the People's Republic of Maryland . The shop owner would have been charged with shooting a weapon in public.
A friend of mine, who was the owner of a corner store was held up . 3 to 4 non causcasion came into the store with sawed off shot guns. His wife , young daughter and himself were forced to lie on their backs , with a gun in their face. Dave (the owner ) was able to grab a 44 he had under his counter , while lieing on his back and killed one of the dis-advantaged youths.
He was later that day , arrested , and charged with murder. He then was slapped with a law suit by the dis-advantaged youths family . After spending almost all of his savings to defend himself , he sold his business and moved to Carroll county , a quieter area.
The only thing that evil people need to succeed , is for good people to do nothing. >>
bambam will make it all better
Oh, and another entry for the Darwin awards.
Who in their right mind (I'm sure they weren't) would try to rob a couple of
gun toten coin dealers?????
bob
I can not believe he isn't charged. Don't get me wrong, I am THRILLED he isn't charged and that he defended himself, I just can't believe that the S.D. DA hasn't hung him already.
Good for him.
<< <i>Who in their right mind (I'm sure they weren't) would try to rob a couple of
gun toten coin dealers????? >>
Could be a cousin of the nitwit who tried to rob a gun shop - that was full of gun toting customers at the time - here in my area.
Note: The moron was shot dead in his tracks by the shop owner and a customer who also happened to be a cop.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Someone beat me to it, it happens. In the meantime there is no reason to be a sarcastic jerk about it. >>
Michigan,
Very moderate response. Maybe too moderate but I won't quibble.
Thanks,
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<< <i>It was NEW news to me. Thanks for the story. >>
Ditto. >>
News to me also! Thanks! And seeing how I like you so much I'm going to share my nickel with all of you!!
They will twist it any way they can.
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<< <i>I am utterly shocked that the store employee hasn't been arrested and booked already. We here in CA are SHOCKINGLY against someone using a gun to defend themselves and/or their property.
I can not believe he isn't charged. Don't get me wrong, I am THRILLED he isn't charged and that he defended himself, I just can't believe that the S.D. DA hasn't hung him already.
Good for him. >>
There are some times in CA when you can shoot a guy and some times when you can't. There are things you need to tell the officer including but not limited to "I was afraid for my life." If you are well trained in handgun defence and have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, then you also know when you can shoot and when you can't.--Jerry
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<< <i>I am utterly shocked that the store employee hasn't been arrested and booked already. We here in CA are SHOCKINGLY against someone using a gun to defend themselves and/or their property.
I can not believe he isn't charged. Don't get me wrong, I am THRILLED he isn't charged and that he defended himself, I just can't believe that the S.D. DA hasn't hung him already.
Good for him. >>
Florida has a right to carry and shoot law now. Crime is down in that State.
Just; "Don't cry me a river!!".
Too bad the other one got away. He may have started it.
Illinois is considering a concealed carry law of it's own.
Hope it passes.
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<< <i>I am utterly shocked that the store employee hasn't been arrested and booked already. We here in CA are SHOCKINGLY against someone using a gun to defend themselves and/or their property.
I can not believe he isn't charged. Don't get me wrong, I am THRILLED he isn't charged and that he defended himself, I just can't believe that the S.D. DA hasn't hung him already.
Good for him. >>
As usual, I will disagree with you. I find your response to be very sarcastic, especially since I live in California too. I think the main difference here is intent. In California, I don't believe that you can shoot people just for entering your property, but if they carry a gun, I believe then you can shoot them. I dunno ...
I never did find out how he explained the hole in the wall to his parents. Neither one of us ever spoke to the idiot again. Sadly he's not the only idiot running around with access to a handgun.