post office jip

OAKESY25 · February 10, 2009 2:32AM

I am so p.o'd... I delivered a case of cards.. to a guy..
it was $140 and he said he didnt get it.. even though I had delivery confirmation
and insurance.. so he goes to his post office and was told it was a sub carrier that day..
and he doesnt recall what address he delivered the package to.
I get a letter today turning down my insurance claim. nice...
now I have to refund this guy $140

CDsNuts · February 10, 2009 2:41AM

That is a jip.

rube26105 · February 10, 2009 2:47AM

i wouldnt , you got the dc and ins on it, sounds like the post office guys a nut
you have proof he got it, id tell him to stick it, it not your fault hes too stupid to know where he lives

wolfbear · February 10, 2009 2:49AM

Actually it's not a jip, it's a gyp,
but being a Gypsy myself, I find that term to be extremely offensive.

By the way, I'm very sorry that this happened to you ...

CDsNuts · February 10, 2009 2:51AM

My sister dressed up as a jipsie for Halloween once.

OAKESY25 · February 10, 2009 3:01AM

what ticks me off with dc is they don't have to show what address they deliver it to..
maybe if they had to type in the address to cross check it.. I could understand..
but just a blanket statement saying they delivered it..??

BunchOBull · February 10, 2009 3:06AM

<< <i>My sister dressed up as a jipsie for Halloween once. >>

I love a good jipsie with a gerry curl.

Not so much on the gypsies with jheri curls.

nightcrawler · February 10, 2009 3:14AM

Wow, that really pisses me off and it never even happened to me???

jimq112 · February 10, 2009 3:17AM

Chances are the guy probably didn't get it and isn't trying to steal from you. But the sub excuse is BS. Almost all the subs at USPS work the same route over and over again. In most offices each regular has a sub, in some offices there's one sub that works a different route each day but works the same 6 routes each week.

Subs do make mistakes but it's much more likely that the carrier left the package where it could be seen, and it walked away.

It's the same with FedEx, that we're supposed to just leave a package if nobody is home and it doesn't require a signature. USPS changed the sig limit from $50 to $200+.

And yes it stinks, and I'm sorry that USPS did that to you.

jimq112 · February 10, 2009 3:19AM

<< <i>Wow, that really pisses me off and it never even happened to me???

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Happened to me on a handwritten signed letter by Ernie Nevers. I bought it from Heritage, they shipped it FedEx and by the time I got home I had an empty box.

benderbroeth · February 10, 2009 3:21AM

maybe neil got it...

OAKESY25 · February 10, 2009 3:31AM

the guy I sold too is totally believable and I have been in contact with him the entire time..
he offered to split the difference with me.. so I didn't have to eat the whole thing..
a good guy

storm888 · February 10, 2009 3:33AM

Best not to give up yet.

You have TWO shots at appeals.

It is entirely possible, despite denials from the USPS, that
from time to time employees are "encouraged" to deny ALL
incoming claims that fall within certain guidelines.

Since MOST folks give-up when their first filing is denied, ALL
insurance companies use such tactics during certain periods
of the business cycle.

......

Here we have a carrier that is already on record with, "I don't recall."

The USPS knows that carriers make errors.

This looks like a near slamdunk win on appeal.

UNLESS the buyer is a scammer, in which case the inspector will get
bad vibes from interviewing him and may report that the claim should
be denied.

I would use ALL avenues of appeal.

..........

Also, I would NOT refund the buyer UNLESS he had been charged
for the insurance. Then I would delay such refund until the USPS
had made the CORRECT decision.

PayPal will accept DC as "proof" of delivery, and will not force
the seller to refund.

If the buyer chooses to NEG you, you can appeal for removal of the
FB, and you have a 50/50 chance of success after repeated tries.

(Since I no longer care about NEGs, I may be giving an opinion that
is too cavalier.)

.........................

How do I file an appeal for my online claim after I receive the decision?

Sign in to your online claims account from www.usps.com, go to the Claims History page and then click on the article number for the specific claim you wish to appeal. Once you are on the Claim Status page, click the link titled “Submit an Appeal.” From the Claim Appeal page, some of the data from your claim will be pre-populated, including the article number. You will need to enter your reason for appeal in the free-form text box provided. As a suggestion, it is helpful to create your letter in a word processing program, then copy and paste it over to this text box in online claims. If you have any supporting documentation to provide, that was not originally provided, you can upload it on this page also. It must be in PDF or JPG file format. The last requirement on this page is to read the Customer Certification statement, check the box if you agree, and then click “Submit Appeal.”

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Publication 122

What to Do If Claim is Denied

You may appeal a claim decision for a numbered
insured article by filing a written appeal within
60 days of the date of the original decision.

Send your appeal to the following address:

MANAGER CLAIMS APPEALS
ACCOUNTING SERVICE CENTER
US POSTAL SERVICE
PO BOX 80141
ST LOUIS MO 63180-0141

For an unnumbered Insured Mail article, you must
send the appeal to the Post Office where the claim
was filed. That Post Office will forward the appeal
to the manager of Claims Appeals at the Accounting
Service Center.

Final Postal Service Decision

If the manager of Claims Appeals at the Accounting
Service Center sustains the denial of a claim, the
customer may submit an additional appeal within
60 days for final review and decision to the Consumer
Advocate, Postal Service Headquarters, who may
waive the standards in DMM 609 in favor of the
customer.

Send your appeal to the following address:

VICE PRESIDENT AND CONSUMER ADVOCATE
US POSTAL SERVICE DOMESTIC CLAIMS APPEALS
475 L’ENFANT PLZ SW
WASHINGTON DC 20260-2200

mtcards · February 10, 2009 5:58AM

Just another example of how USPS insurance is the biggest scam being pulled legally in the United States. Here they get paid to do a job, get paid extra to make sure they do it right and when they dont are unwilling (so far) to make it good. Yes, I know the arguments of how things would be more expensive if they didnt charge insurance, but if you pay for DC and THEY cannot prove it was delivered, then the claim should be paid, no questions asked.

lsutigers1973 · February 10, 2009 6:07AM

I would go with whatever storm said. I didn't read it but since it was so long, it had to be correct.

storm888 · February 10, 2009 6:16AM

<< <i>I would go with whatever storm said. I didn't read it but since it was so long, it had to be correct. >>

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Sorry, but I am fresh out of one liners.

mccardguy1 · February 10, 2009 6:55AM

<< <i>My sister dressed up as a jipsie for Halloween once. >>

You sure that wasnt you dressing up as a jipsie????

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