roberto alomar a hall of famer ?????? take the poll

bbrewski · March 19, 2005 7:03AM

A 10-time Gold Glove winner and career .300 hitter, Alomar is 276 hits shy of 3,000. He was an All-Star for 11 consecutive seasons from 1991-2001. does he have the goods to make the hall.

lostdart58 · March 19, 2005 7:10AM

He may have to end his career a little stronger then the last few years. If he reaches 3000 hits then he is a lock......otherwise he may have to wait more then a few years.

A761506 · March 19, 2005 7:25AM

He's a definite HOF, one of the best 2B to play the game during his prime. Nearly 3000 hits, tons of steals, and a .300 average including the past 3 seasons of his decline.

wallst32 · March 19, 2005 7:26AM

He dominated his position both offensively and defensively for a decade. I don't see how he can't make it. Also, he put up respectable power numbers for his position and don't forget about the stolen bases.

dallasactuary · March 19, 2005 8:12AM

He was in the AL what Biggio was in the NL, the dominant second baseman for a decade; they should both make it. Of course, Biggio never spit on an umpire.

denwd1 · March 19, 2005 8:23AM

no doubt hall of famer,great career,hit for power,fielded above average,played on great and real good teams,ran the bases well and was an all star repeatedly.sadly at least if you are a met or white sox fan his performance level has faded as fast as mark mcgwire's reputation.

Davino · March 19, 2005 8:26AM

If Sandberg is, then Alomar is also.

justanoldtimer · March 19, 2005 9:43AM

Just heard on Fox Cable News Alomar Retired

Knuckles · March 19, 2005 9:52AM

He for sure is.

lawnmowerman · March 19, 2005 10:23AM

No doubt!

Matt

CADILLACN97 · March 19, 2005 10:30AM

Yep, Alomar officially retired. Straight from mlb.com. Here's the link if interested.

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Alomar retired.

easttexascardsandgames · March 19, 2005 1:20PM

Definite HOF'er depending on who else decides to hang it up this year should be a first ballot selection.

softparade · March 19, 2005 2:58PM

he is a hall of famer by todays standards, a clown by vintage standards

shagrotn77 · March 19, 2005 3:47PM

I say he gets in, but not first ballot. The last few years he was pretty bad.

Southerncards · March 19, 2005 9:50PM

Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory.

athleticsfan · March 19, 2005 10:21PM

He's no HOF. The only thing he will be remembered for is spitting in that umps face.

beef316 · March 19, 2005 10:22PM

<< Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>

Just because he was not the most fearsome power hitter, does not mean pitchers wanted to face him in the 9th inning. He was possibly the most intelligent hitter in the game, and an RBI machine. If there were men on base I can assure you pitchers did not want to pitch to him.

Southerncards · March 20, 2005 12:28AM

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<< Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>

Just because he was not the most fearsome power hitter, does not mean pitchers wanted to face him in the 9th inning. He was possibly the most intelligent hitter in the game, and an RBI machine. If there were men on base I can assure you pitchers did not want to pitch to him. >>

I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class.

doncherry · March 20, 2005 12:36AM

<< Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>

Eckersley maybe should of feared him in the 92 ALCS when he turned the series around with a 9th inning blast off of him. He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense

DaBigHurt · March 20, 2005 12:50AM

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I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class. >>

You can't compare Roberto Alomar to those that played 1st or 3rd base. You have to compare him to 2nd basemen and there was no better all around 2nd basemen from 1988 until around 2000. Period. He absolutely dominated the position in baseball during this era and he didn't do roids.

Southerncards · March 20, 2005 1:21AM

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I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class. >>

You can't compare Roberto Alomar to those that played 1st or 3rd base. You have to compare him to 2nd basemen and there was no better all around 2nd basemen from 1988 until around 2000. Period. He absolutely dominated the position in baseball during this era and he didn't do roids.

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I cant compare him to those guys? Why not? I'm comparing hitters, not defensive ability. The position someone plays is irrelevant when you are talking about hitting. Alomar was good, but he's no HOF'er

ps- DaBigHurt - let me also say kudos to your ability to create a post without the normal "PSA can do no wrong, I love PSA" mantra that you so often spew.

easttexascardsandgames · March 20, 2005 1:50AM

I agree you cannot compare him to other players at different positions especially 1st and 3rd base. Until just recently second base was not considered a hitting position but a defensive position. From 1988 to about 1999 he was the premier second baseman in both hitting and fielding. I can think of one HOFer second baseman that his hitting stats are alot better than and his fielding is similar.

I rememeber him as being a great cluch hitter in his prime I saw him get intentionally walked numerous times when the game was on the line so they could pitch to a bigger long ball threat because he was a very difficult out when the game was on the line.

helionaut · March 20, 2005 1:57AM

A decade ago I would've said he's a lock. A lock for 3000 hits, a lock for that special shiny place in our hearts where "good guys" go, and a lock for the Hall. Then the spitting incident. I only saw it on TV once or twice, but from what I recall he didn't rear back and hock up a big one, it was more like spittle that came out in the force of an argument. But maybe he did it intentionally. I don't know. Either way, it wasn't a pretty image. After that, perception changed, both mine and the media's. And he started bouncing around four teams in 4 years, if you count TB. After 3 nice years in Cleveland, he went to the Mets where his average dropped 70 points and it never came back. His power was cut almost in half, and though he could still draw walks, that didn't help much with a fading batting eye. I would say that like Sandberg he's retiring too early, as he's only 37 with no major milestones. It says in the report on ESPN.com that his back and vision are becoming impaired and he looks like he wants to go out with some dignity rather than hang on long enough for 3000, which I'm sure TB would let him do.

In this age where Alfonso Soriano hits 40 homers as a second baseman, and Jeff Kent is a power-threat former MVP, it's tempting to look at Alomar and say he didn't do enough with the bat. But looking at his whole record, it's easy to see how his first 12 years shouldn't be overshadowed by his last 3. Ten Gold Gloves (we do honor defense for 2Bs, don't we?), four Silver Sluggers, twelve All-Star games, finished 3rd in MVP voting in 1999. Maybe not as dominant hitter as a second baseman like Sandberg was, he was more in the Joe Morgan mold where he was simply very, very good at everything. Two World Series rings don't hurt, either. Baseball-reference.com has him scored as a likely HOFer, and I'd have to agree. Maybe not first-ballot, and I think the writers will punish him for the spitting thing, though morality sure is pliable these days, but he's in.

bowdowntome · March 20, 2005 2:30AM

Only if Alomar could have learned to do a backflip while playing second base, Im sure he'd be a lock. It worked for at least one other infielder with below average offensive numbers (Lower than Roberto).

lostdart58 · March 20, 2005 5:26AM

At this point 61 of us have voted...................based on our figures (67% said yes) Alomar will NOT be in the Hall Of Fame sincethe Hall requires 75%.

Southerncards · March 20, 2005 3:05PM

helionaut,

While I still dont agree with you, I did want to commend you on the stats you researched. It was very good reading. I guess we can agree to disagree.

Jim

dude · March 21, 2005 12:44AM

My guess is that he'll get in the second, third or fourth time he's eligible. The spitting incident will hurt him. Part of the requirement is sportsmanship. Being the best at his position for an entire decade does make him HOF material.

I also agree that Biggio should get in, although being moved to OF will probably hurt him.

shagrotn77 · March 21, 2005 12:55AM

<< He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense >>

I know a few guys (Paul Molitor, Joe Carter and Rickey Henderson) who might disagree.

doncherry · March 21, 2005 1:59AM

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<< He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense >>

I know a few guys (Paul Molitor, Joe Carter and Rickey Henderson) who might disagree. >>

Check Ricky's stats on the 93 team ( he went along for a free ride for 3 months). Paul Molitor DH & MVP of 93 World series was not on the 92 team. Joe Carter although clutch and a very valuable member of those teams didn't perform day in and day out like Alomar (his not garnering even 5% of the Hall of Fame vote his first year reflects this as well)

So if you can find another member of both the 1992 & 1993 Blue Jays that was more consistant and clutch than Alomar both defensively and offensively . Please note i'm only referring to the 2 championship teams of 92 93

easttexascardsandgames · March 21, 2005 2:56AM

How much you want to bet had Alomar played for the Yankees southerncards would be singing a different song.

Southerncards · March 21, 2005 3:01AM

Well, you are wrong about that. I dont think that just being a Yankee would have helped him out in my mind. But, the flip side is that perhaps he would have alot more to show for his career if he had been a Yankee.

gregmo32 · March 21, 2005 4:59AM

I am an Orioles fan who used to never miss a game. Alomar was a fantastic all around player, the best second baseman I have ever seen. Jim Palmer, the HOF'er and Orioles commentator, has said on many occasions of Alomar, " I always said he is the best all around baseball player I have ever seen." Weigh in on that one.

Cubfan · March 21, 2005 5:30AM

He is a sure bet.

If it took Sandberg three tries, it might take Alomar at least that many (might depend on who is competition is).

Id bet the farm on him. He was extremely good for an extremely long time.

jaybyrd · March 21, 2005 8:56AM

Eight to ten years ago he looked to be in the running as the one of the best to ever play the position. But his career went into overdrive to mediocrity very quickly. He will probably get in though as his total amount of hits have to rank with the highest of all-time that played second base.

TheSonOfZeke · March 21, 2005 9:11AM

If Ozzie Smith deserves to be in the Hall, then Roberto Alomar sure does.

And both being in the Hall would be further proof that Andre Dawson is the most robbed player in history. impressive homerun total, impressive hit total, decent stolen bases, a higher average than Ozzie, and a higher fielding percentage than Ozzie. The Hawk is robbed year in and year out.

Wasy · March 21, 2005 10:53AM

Alomar is clearly a HoFer. One could easily argue that he was just as good as Carew or Morgan!
On top of his 10 Gold Gloves he had 7 legit HoF years.
No he wasn't feared like Mike Schmidt but he was feared like Carew,Boggs,Morgan.

Bambu · February 9, 2009 4:01PM

First ballot boyz...

John.

rube26105 · February 9, 2009 4:04PM

how bout that

Rogermnj · February 9, 2009 5:06PM

I know every year in rotisserie baseball from 1991-1997 that i was a part of it he was always the 1st 2nd baseman picked.

The guy was great.

DrJ · February 9, 2009 8:29PM

Yes. Should get in first ballot unless the writers hold the spitting incident against him. With all the roid heads out there it actually will help out the cleaner players get in faster or ever (see Jim Rice).

BPorter26 · February 10, 2009 12:30AM

He's a first ballot hall of famer. He was the best 2b during his time.

MBMiller25 · February 10, 2009 12:37AM

It wont suprise me if he is the list of the "OTHER" 103 names. If he isnt, I think he gets in the HOF.

rube26105 · February 10, 2009 12:56AM

if he could have stuck in there for 276 more hits for 3,000 hits , mortal lock,he does have some intesting #;'s and awards
12x All-Star selection (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
2x World Series champion (1992, 1993)
10x Gold Glove Award winner (1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001)
4x Silver Slugger Award winner (1992, 1996, 1999, 2000)
1992 ALCS MVP
1998 All-Star Game MVP
Toronto Blue Jays Level of Excellence

ElToroLoco · February 10, 2009 8:39AM

He's in, probable first ballot, likely second ballot for the incident.

roberto alomar a hall of famer ?????? take the poll

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