roberto alomar a hall of famer ?????? take the poll
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A 10-time Gold Glove winner and career .300 hitter, Alomar is 276 hits shy of 3,000. He was an All-Star for 11 consecutive seasons from 1991-2001. does he have the goods to make the hall.
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He was in the AL what Biggio was in the NL, the dominant second baseman for a decade; they should both make it. Of course, Biggio never spit on an umpire.
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<< <i>Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>
Just because he was not the most fearsome power hitter, does not mean pitchers wanted to face him in the 9th inning. He was possibly the most intelligent hitter in the game, and an RBI machine. If there were men on base I can assure you pitchers did not want to pitch to him.
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<< <i>Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>
Just because he was not the most fearsome power hitter, does not mean pitchers wanted to face him in the 9th inning. He was possibly the most intelligent hitter in the game, and an RBI machine. If there were men on base I can assure you pitchers did not want to pitch to him. >>
I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class.
<< <i>Not a chance in Hell. While he may have the numbers, he was never a dominating force. No pitcher ever stood on the mound in the bottom of the 9th, and was afraid to pitch to him. He defense didnt win championships, his leadership didnt carry others to victory. >>
Eckersley maybe should of feared him in the 92 ALCS when he turned the series around with a 9th inning blast off of him. He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense
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I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class. >>
You can't compare Roberto Alomar to those that played 1st or 3rd base. You have to compare him to 2nd basemen and there was no better all around 2nd basemen from 1988 until around 2000. Period. He absolutely dominated the position in baseball during this era and he didn't do roids.
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I didnt say that he had to be a fearsome power hitter. Boggs, Mattingly, even John Olerud....those were the more intelligent hitters in the game. Alomar is not in their class. >>
You can't compare Roberto Alomar to those that played 1st or 3rd base. You have to compare him to 2nd basemen and there was no better all around 2nd basemen from 1988 until around 2000. Period. He absolutely dominated the position in baseball during this era and he didn't do roids. >>
I cant compare him to those guys? Why not? I'm comparing hitters, not defensive ability. The position someone plays is irrelevant when you are talking about hitting. Alomar was good, but he's no HOF'er
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I rememeber him as being a great cluch hitter in his prime I saw him get intentionally walked numerous times when the game was on the line so they could pitch to a bigger long ball threat because he was a very difficult out when the game was on the line.
In this age where Alfonso Soriano hits 40 homers as a second baseman, and Jeff Kent is a power-threat former MVP, it's tempting to look at Alomar and say he didn't do enough with the bat. But looking at his whole record, it's easy to see how his first 12 years shouldn't be overshadowed by his last 3. Ten Gold Gloves (we do honor defense for 2Bs, don't we?), four Silver Sluggers, twelve All-Star games, finished 3rd in MVP voting in 1999. Maybe not as dominant hitter as a second baseman like Sandberg was, he was more in the Joe Morgan mold where he was simply very, very good at everything. Two World Series rings don't hurt, either. Baseball-reference.com has him scored as a likely HOFer, and I'd have to agree. Maybe not first-ballot, and I think the writers will punish him for the spitting thing, though morality sure is pliable these days, but he's in.
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While I still dont agree with you, I did want to commend you on the stats you researched. It was very good reading. I guess we can agree to disagree.
Jim
I also agree that Biggio should get in, although being moved to OF will probably hurt him.
<< <i>He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense >>
I know a few guys (Paul Molitor, Joe Carter and Rickey Henderson) who might disagree.
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<< <i>He was the best player bar none on the 92 93 world championships with clutch hitting and unbelievable defense >>
I know a few guys (Paul Molitor, Joe Carter and Rickey Henderson) who might disagree. >>
Check Ricky's stats on the 93 team ( he went along for a free ride for 3 months). Paul Molitor DH & MVP of 93 World series was not on the 92 team. Joe Carter although clutch and a very valuable member of those teams didn't perform day in and day out like Alomar (his not garnering even 5% of the Hall of Fame vote his first year reflects this as well)
So if you can find another member of both the 1992 & 1993 Blue Jays that was more consistant and clutch than Alomar both defensively and offensively . Please note i'm only referring to the 2 championship teams of 92 93
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If it took Sandberg three tries, it might take Alomar at least that many (might depend on who is competition is).
Id bet the farm on him. He was extremely good for an extremely long time.
And both being in the Hall would be further proof that Andre Dawson is the most robbed player in history. impressive homerun total, impressive hit total, decent stolen bases, a higher average than Ozzie, and a higher fielding percentage than Ozzie. The Hawk is robbed year in and year out.
On top of his 10 Gold Gloves he had 7 legit HoF years.
No he wasn't feared like Mike Schmidt but he was feared like Carew,Boggs,Morgan.
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The guy was great.
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