Mickey Mantle Auto and Joe Dimaggio Auto

freddyp23 · January 24, 2009 6:27AM

Thinking about buying these...just wondering if they are authentic or not...How reliable is GAI when it comes to autos?
Commerce Comet
Joltin' Joe

MBMiller25 · January 24, 2009 6:32AM

There are definately people on these boards that will be able to tell you if that auto is real or not, and I am not going to pretend to be one of them, but I will say this. If the price seems to good to be true (which in this case that price seems awfully cheap) chances are its fake!

mickeymantle24 · January 24, 2009 6:38AM

It looks real to me. I have had some mantle autographs. great price on it to

Ironmanfan · January 24, 2009 6:46AM

the Mantle looks good to me (in spite of the GAI cert)

PoppaJ · January 24, 2009 6:56AM

Freddyp23,

I browsed through many of his current and past auctions to see if the same GAI cert #s were used for different pics.

None have been duplicated and all sigs appear to be authentic in my opinion.

The certs all match fine with GAIs data base.

None of the seller's feedbacks, whether neg or neutral, reflect anything suspicious regarding authenticity.

I have to agree that he does have some very reasonable prices.

This particular Mantle auto matches a couple of my PSA/DNAs and many of my in-person ones too.

JMHO,
PoppaJ

mickeymantle24 · January 24, 2009 7:19AM

That is probaly the best you get for a Mantle signature. I have never seen many any lower

VitoCo1972 · January 24, 2009 7:22AM

Trust PoppaJ, he could be PSA's Mantle expert if he wanted to be

WinPitcher · January 24, 2009 8:17AM

The Mantle looks ok, however the Dimaggio I'm not too sure on.

The FBI claims that 75% of all Dimaggio's are fake. And for 109.00 I'd like to think
this one is bogus. GAI cert or no cert.

The Mantle for 109.00 is really not that far off what they go for he was pretty prolific.

I remember buying them in the 80's for 30.00 wholesale and selling them for 50-60.00

The Dimaggio on the other hand was 109.00 25 years ago if then.

Steve

StanTheManMusial · January 24, 2009 8:28AM

Both the Mantle and Dimaggio are no good. I'd save my money, if it were me thinking about buying those 2.

EDIT: To add JMHO so certain folks don't get their panties in a wad.

PoppaJ · January 24, 2009 9:20AM

<< Trust PoppaJ, he could be PSA's Mantle expert if he wanted to be

>>

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Vito,

thanks for the kind words

PoppaJ

earlycalguy · January 24, 2009 9:22AM

if they were good why would they be GAI for $109 for the Mantle? if that auto truly is real it's psa or jsa and a $300 item.

an auto with GAI authenticated is equivalent to a card being in a PRO or GEM holder. now there are some good GAI's from the days of Mike G and Justin but anything current - stay far, far away. GAI has flooded the market with Koufax, DiMaggio, Mantle, Aaron, Williams, etc. There's even been some Clemente and Maris out there now. they are a desperate company taking any business they can get. Mike Baker has definitely went to the dark side.

storm888 · January 24, 2009 9:27AM

On close inspection/comparison, the Mantle looks wrong.

The Joe looks way off, but I don't have a real one in front of me.
Just the images in my semi-feeble brain.

The price should tell most folks all they need to know.

StanTheManMusial · January 24, 2009 9:47AM

<< Trust PoppaJ, he could be PSA's Mantle expert if he wanted to be

>>

Not so sure about that.. But anyway..

earlycalguy · January 24, 2009 9:57AM

a month or so ago I emailed the new owner of gai about their fake autos. he claimed they were authenticating real autos but people were changing them AFTER they leave gai's possession. he said what happens to the autos after they GAI is out of their hands.

I think that's BS and they are knowingly authenticating fake autos.

MooseDog · January 24, 2009 2:21PM

I've stopped giving opinions on Mantle, Dimaggio, and Ted Williams sigs. The "Operation Bullpen" stuff was so good there are probably thousands of them out there with well meant COAs from PSA/DNA, JSA, and GAI. With sharpie signed photos and signed balls any authenticator is just taking a guess, in my opinion. I noticed Mark Baker's name on the GAI certs, he was one of the first to try to write "The Book" on baseball HOF sigs for SCD, and the book is a good read but actually contains some fakes so take that for what it's worth.

If you really want a nice autograph of the "big three" you'd be better off paying more and getting a VINTAGE signature of any of those players. There are far fewer good fakes of those players from their playing days. Harder to find but at least you know what you're getting.

Morgoth · January 24, 2009 2:54PM

I gurantee I could post my Mantle auto I got in person in the 90s and 1/2 would say it was fake. Just the nature of autos these days. If you look at it expecting it to be fake you will see little things in it that make you think it is fake. If you think it's real you will say it's just natural differences in sigs. No one can tell 100% of the time unless you saw them sign it yourself.

bman90278 · January 24, 2009 3:04PM

I just wanted to add that I wouldn't pull the trigger on any of the autos unless you could say some larger scans. I would think PoppaJ is an expert in Mickey's sigs and it might be authentic, but I would ask for larger scans first.

One thing that concerns me is the price. I couldn't be lucky enough to get any authentic sigs for that price. My pappy always said if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

PoppaJ · January 24, 2009 3:13PM

<< I gurantee I could post my Mantle auto I got in person in the 90s and 1/2 would say it was fake. Just the nature of autos these days. If you look at it expecting it to be fake you will see little things in it that make you think it is fake. If you think it's real you will say it's just natural differences in sigs. No one can tell 100% of the time unless you saw them sign it yourself. >>

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Jason,

Well said!

Especially ... "No one can tell 100% of the time unless you saw them sign it yourself."

I, like a few others on the boards, have in-person sigs that were deemed questionable by the so-called pros.

That's why most of us give our opinions; and no one should ever say something irresponsible like "it's real" or "it's fake".

PoppaJ

PoppaJ · January 24, 2009 3:28PM

<< I just wanted to add that I wouldn't pull the trigger on any of the autos unless you could say some larger scans. I would think PoppaJ is an expert in Mickey's sigs and it might be authentic, but I would ask for larger scans first.

One thing that concerns me is the price. I couldn't be lucky enough to get any authentic sigs for that price. My pappy always said if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

>>

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Hi Brian,

While I do have an extensive Mantle collection and have collected nothing but Mantles for over 50 years, I have never claimed to be an expert in any way shape or form on Mantle sigs.

I think there are a few guys that kindly respect my experience and they alone have proclaimed me the Mantle expert.

However, I like most, just give an honest opinion. My 2 cents if you will. I never submit my opinions with arrogance or conviction.

I agree that the prices of those autos seem a bit low even for GAIs. But, considering the fact that all GAIs can't be fakes, there's always a possibility that they could be okay.

Personally, I would be asking the seller a ton of questions concerning acquisitions, refunds, pre-prints, flaws etc, and why he's selling them so cheap, before I'd give him a dime.

Your logic and your pappy's advice are on the money.

PoppaJ

StanTheManMusial · January 24, 2009 3:44PM

I'm no Mantle expert, ~unlike PoppaJ~, but I do know what I am talking about due to many years of experience in the autograph area of this hobby. I will challenge anyone who wants to do a PSA/DNA quick opinion on that Mantle. I will guarantee you ahead of time, that PSA/DNA will reject that Mantle as likely not genuine.. It is a forgery.

storm888 · January 24, 2009 3:53PM

I keep looking at the Mantle.

The more I look, the more it seems like a "drawing of a signature."
That is what some forgeries tend to look like.

I also don't like the height/width ratio of the Ms.

And, the subject one does NOT look like the PSA/DNA examples
I am comparing it to.

And, the stuff is priced wrong by a sophisticated seller.

Am I guessing? Yup. But, it's sort of an informed guess.

earlycalguy · January 24, 2009 4:41PM

any GAI authentic auto of a big name player listed at crazy low buy it now prices with best offer accepted and often having multiple quantities available is FAKE.

according to GAI website they charge $100 to authenticate a Mantle auto. if someone is spending $100 just on the fees alone..don't you think they'd be selling them for more than $100 buy it nows?

GAI is a desperate company trying to get any business it can to pay their bills and that includes authenticating any autograph coming their way.

nam812 · January 24, 2009 10:21PM

I have no opinion on the autographs in question, but what I do have an opinion on is hypocrisy. stantheman has been crying like a 4 year old child (my apologies to 4 year old children everywhere) for months now about people having old grudges and vendettas against him, but after giving his "so called" opinion in this thread, he clearly went after PoppaJ . I guess he is the only one allowed to hold grudges and start trouble. PoppaJ is a big boy and has shown that he can take care of himself, but if this clown really wants the grudges and vendettas to stop, he should trying practicing what he goddamn preaches.

Edited for spelling.

WinPitcher · January 24, 2009 10:25PM

That was my first impression too Nick. And then we had to hear about another bet.

We get it Tim you think you know autos and are willing to bet that you are right every time.

Steve

mickeymantle24 · January 24, 2009 10:47PM

Tim is an expert at betting and losing

MBMiller25 · January 24, 2009 11:33PM

It's really a shame that our hobby has gotten to the point, where everything comes into question regarding Authenticity, trimming, and alteration of cards. I would LOVE to purchase a Mantle/Williams/Mays/insert HOF'er here, but I refuse to purchase an auto from anyone regardless of letter of authenticity. The only Auto's I own, are those I obtained myself, while witnessing that person sign my item. I am being extremely hypocrytical right now, as I am currently selling an Alex Rodriguez auto'd bat that I DID NOT obtain in person, but I just dont trust these authentication sites. I truly believe that the forgeries are so strong now, that they are getting past even the so called experts at PSA/DNA, JSA and any other authentication company. I will get off my soap box now, but its a shame that greed has taken over this hobby.

Edit: Spelling

WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 12:57AM

Matt it has been like this for at least the last 30 years, maybe longer.

With that said why would anyone even want an auto that they did not get in person?

I'm not talking about autos of Cy Young and other pre war guys but guys that have signed
over the past 20 to 30 years? Most are prolific signers and even with that as much as 75%
are forged.

Unless signed in person IMO all sigs are suspect.

Steve

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 1:46AM

<< I have no opinion on the autographs in question, but what I do have an opinion on is hypocrisy. stantheman has been crying like a 4 year old child (my apologies to 4 year old children everywhere) for months now about people having old grudges and vendettas against him, but after giving his "so called" opinion in this thread, he clearly went after PoppaJ . I guess he is the only one allowed to hold grudges and start trouble. PoppaJ is a big boy and has shown that he can take care of himself, but if this clown really wants the grudges and vendettas to stop, he should trying practicing what he goddamn preaches.

Edited for spelling. >>

You know what Nick, when you receive childish pm's like this from PoppaJ:

<<Stanley,

Your jealousy simply amazes me.

We are all laughing behind your back at your stupid remarks.

You're not biased towards Musial, you just can't afford Mantles ... be honest!

Quit taking cheap shots at people and grow a set.

Try being helpful without being an a**hole.

Nobody is telling anyone that those autos are legit ... they're just saying that they look like the ones that they have to compare.

As I remind you, no one is 100% certain unless he actually witnessed the signing.

PoppaJ>>>>

That is one of the nicer/less arrogant pm's I have received from this guy.^^^^ And then he is childish enough to block me from sending him a reply back(yet he thinks it's ok to send them to me), it tends to make you wanna let the guy know in the thread that he does not know what he is talking about, and is far from a Mantle expert.

The guy plays all nice on here, and some of you guys are too blind to see through him. The truth is he likes to puff his chest and brag about his Mantle stuff, and some of you guys buy into his game, and eat it up.

PoppaJ even likes to make claims that just because I specialize in Musial that I have to "settle" for collecting him, because I can't afford Mantle, which is just plain ignorant, because he has no clue as to what I DO own or CAN afford. I guess every member of this forum that has a favorite outside of Mantle must have to settle, since they can't afford Mantle, as if Mantle is the greatest Yankee to collect and only PoppaJ can afford to collect him? I guess he has never heard of Ruth or Gehrig? Then again, we know he has, but he is too hard headed to realize they are far greater players to collect(which I do have in my collection, as well as some Mantle & Dimaggio).

I get members that pm me all the time saying that they see exactly what I am saying about this guy, but they bite their tongue and don't post it in a thread to avoid an issue with him.

Collecting/specializing in players other than Mantle does not mean some of us are broke little souls that are farther down the scale than PoppaJ, or that anyone is jealous of anything he may or may not have. Rather, it means we all have different likes and dislikes. As for me, I like Stan Musial because I have been a Cardinals fan my whole life, he was one of the greatest players to ever play the game, and my grandfather was a big fan of Stan Musial. When you are born a Cardinals fan, it just tends to happen that way.

No one needs to pop off with arrogance and tells others what they can or can't afford, as if he knows what others make or own to start with. I just don't feel the need to brag about what I have, in order to find popularity or validity on a message board.

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WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 1:48AM

Here we go.

I have one question Tim, how do you know Poppa blocks your PM's?

Steve

mickeymantle24 · January 25, 2009 1:52AM

How come he is involved in everything? Nobody ever said that the autograph was authentic. Ohter people on these boards have mantle autographs and though it looked just like theres

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 2:03AM

<< Tim is an expert at betting and losing

>>

This is a lie, so do you want to try and show me what I bet and lost at?

WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 2:04AM

Tim

How do you know that Poppa has your PM's to him blocked?

Steve

mickeymantle24 · January 25, 2009 2:07AM

<< 

<< Tim is an expert at betting and losing

>>

This is a lie, so do you want to try and show me what I bet and lost at? >>

You say this Mantle is not real. It matches up with all mine! If you think you know so much about autographs open up your own authentication business!

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 2:10AM

<< 

<< 

<< Tim is an expert at betting and losing

>>

This is a lie, so do you want to try and show me what I bet and lost at? >>

You say this Mantle is not real. It matches up with all mine! If you think you know so much about autographs open up your own authentication business! >>

Do a PSA/DNA quick opinion on it, and come back and tell me what they tell you. I don't want to open an authenticating business, I am busy with what I do for a living. This is a hobby only for me.

If you are talking about matching up with that 69' Topps PSA/DNA you have, no it does not match up. The one in this thread is a forgery.

mickeymantle24 · January 25, 2009 2:13AM

What ever you say. PoppaJ has way more experience than you do on mantle autographs! Also why will you not answer Steves questions:

How do you know that Poppa has your PM's to him blocked?

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 2:17AM

<< What ever you say. PoppaJ has way more experience than you do on mantle autographs! Also why will you not answer Steves questions:

How do you know that Poppa has your PM's to him blocked? >>

Take the challenge, since you just made that claim. PSA/DNA quick opinion the Mantle in question, and then come back and tell me who knows what they are talking about.

I am not answering Steve. I have no need/want/desire to. He is PoppaJ's buddy, and the question is not sincere. I know what he wants to do, so I will not play along.

WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 2:20AM

hmmm interesting, so basically you do not know if he is blocking you.

I simply wanted to know how you knew. No alterior motive, sorry.

Steve

mickeymantle24 · January 25, 2009 2:21AM

So he has not blocked you. You just do not want to admitt that you are wrong. Why in th He** would I want to pay to see if an autograph is authetic, if I have had many mantle autographs that look exactly like it? If you are so possitive it is fake why don't you do the quick opinion? huh

WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 2:21AM

Since you know what I 'want to do' maybe you can enlighten us/me?

Steve

WinPitcher · January 25, 2009 2:25AM

Lastly, just because you claim that Poppa wrote that PM DOES NOT mean that he did.

There is no way of proving what someone said in a PM as they can be changed.

To be honest I find it very despicable that you would even post in public what someone said in
private.

Steve

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 2:25AM

<< So he has not blocked you. You just do not want to admitt that you are wrong. Why in th He** would I want to pay to see if an autograph is authetic, if I have had many mantle autographs that look exactly like it? If you are so possitive it is fake why don't you do the quick opinion? huh >>

Take me up on it, since you are the one claiming I am wrong. PSA/DNA quick opinion the thing, and if it comes back genuine, I will Paypal you $50 today. I am waiting..

bman90278 · January 25, 2009 2:39AM

StanTheManMusial, I think you must be bitter about something in regards to PoppaJ. You come across as a know it all and you seem very arrogant. I don't know you so I could be totally wrong about you, but that's how you come across to me in your posts.

I completely read the responses from PoppaJ (and the others in many threads) who obviously have much expertise in various autos as being great added input and opinions to something people want to buy. I also feel their opinions are valid enough to give someone the suggestion to warrant the expense of a quick opinion from the PSA or not. Their opinions are also good enough to tell someone not to even pursue something or walk away. Their words aren't the Gospel, but they are greatly useful.

Again the scans are terribly small for someone to really say those autos are 100% legit or not. I can respect someone if they say one sig looks like it could be fake, or one looks like the authentic autos they are used to seeing, but when you say you know they are fake and they could be real, that isn't cool. You come across and a guy wanting to stretch out your pen- i- s longer than it really is, so to speak. Would you like me to resize some of PoppaJ's Mantle sigs he received in person and put them right next to the Mantle sig you say is NOT legit? I bet they are close enough in that small scan that you couldn't tell for sure either way.

In the future, why can't you just say you feel the sigs or something doesn't look like right or like the authentic ones you are used to seeing instead of starting a personal attack.

StanTheManMusial · January 25, 2009 3:00AM

I know I am not well-liked on here, and I can accept that with ease. I have never came here to get popular, unlike some who yearn to be popular and well-liked on a message forum. I don't need to be liked, to know what I am talking about.

Am I rough around the edges at times? Yes, I probably am. Admittedly so.. But I have yet to see one person whom has passed insults at me to prove that I am wrong on the signatures I pass opinions on. Some have said I was wrong, arrogant, ect.. but they sure have never done anything to prove me wrong now have they? None of my enemies will take the challenge to test me, even when I place money on the table backing my opinions. It's like those folks are afaid to do the PSA/DNA quick opinions, because they might have to admit ole' Stan knows what he is saying, when he passes opinions on autographs.

If I was the most liked member on here, and gave autograph opinions, I would have a flock of sheep a mile long. Since I am not well-liked, I am criticized for my confidence/experience in spotting bad signatures. That's fine. If I can help someone from being ripped off, I will continue to speak my opinions, and take the hate from my enemies on here, if it means I can prevent someone from spending their hard earned money on a forgery.

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123Slider · January 25, 2009 3:15AM

<< I know I am not well-liked on here, and I can accept that with ease. I have never came here to get popular, unlike some who yearn to be popular and well-liked on a message forum. I don't need to be liked, to know what I am talking about.

Am I rough around the edges at times? Yes, I probably am. Admittedly so.. But I have yet to see one person whom has passed insults at me to prove that I am wrong on the signatures I pass opinions on. Some have said I was wrong, arrogant, ect.. but they sure have never done anything to prove me wrong now have they? None of my enemies will take the challenge to test me, even when I place money on the table backing my opinions. It's like those folks are afaid to do the PSA/DNA quick opinions, because they might have to admit ole' Stan knows what he is saying, when he passes opinions on autographs.

If I was the most liked member on here, and gave autograph opinions, I would have a flock of sheep a mile long. Since I am not well-liked, I am criticized for my confidence/experience in spotting bad signatures. That's fine. If I can help someone from being ripped off, I will continue to speak my opinions, and take the hate from my enemies on here, if it means I can prevent someone from spending their hard earned money on a forgery.

EDIT: spell >>

I can appreciate helping others spot a fake, but I don't understand doing it in the manner you do. Just seems to me that you have to be wound a little tight to keep fanning the flames all the time. There's a way to be honest and not step on toes at the same time. You don't need to be nice, just don't be mean.

storm888 · January 25, 2009 3:15AM

Back to the siggies........

"...Again the scans are terribly small for someone to really say those autos are 100% legit or not....."

They are easy to manipulate larger in Windows.

(That does not mean one can tell for "sure," but it makes them easier to compare with known/believed legit ones.)

........................................

My question is:

Since the seller is very experienced and knows his business, why is
he selling the subject autos so cheap, AND using the Best Offer feature?

bman90278 · January 25, 2009 4:47AM

<< I know I am not well-liked on here, and I can accept that with ease. I have never came here to get popular, unlike some who yearn to be popular and well-liked on a message forum. I don't need to be liked, to know what I am talking about.

Am I rough around the edges at times? Yes, I probably am. Admittedly so.. But I have yet to see one person whom has passed insults at me to prove that I am wrong on the signatures I pass opinions on. Some have said I was wrong, arrogant, ect.. but they sure have never done anything to prove me wrong now have they? None of my enemies will take the challenge to test me, even when I place money on the table backing my opinions. It's like those folks are afaid to do the PSA/DNA quick opinions, because they might have to admit ole' Stan knows what he is saying, when he passes opinions on autographs.

If I was the most liked member on here, and gave autograph opinions, I would have a flock of sheep a mile long. Since I am not well-liked, I am criticized for my confidence/experience in spotting bad signatures. That's fine. If I can help someone from being ripped off, I will continue to speak my opinions, and take the hate from my enemies on here, if it means I can prevent someone from spending their hard earned money on a forgery.

EDIT: spell >>

I understand and respect your opinion and the way you do it and I'm sure you have nothing but good intentions, but ....You could have easily said something like this,

"I have lots of experience in Joe D and Mickey Mantle sigs and have purchased many of their autos as well as obtained many in person and I truly believe they are not legit. If you really want to pursue those autos I recommend you get larger scans and submit both of them to the PSA for a Quick Opinion. If you decide to purchase them without a quick opinion, I feel you are taking a big chance even with the low prices.

StanTheMan"

I'm not saying what I wrote is your case, but you can state a very strong opinion based on your experience ( without bashing anyone ) and let the original poster go from there. In my honest opinion anyone buying photos with autos with players like Joe D or Mantle are taking a big time risk unless it's someone selling with no knowledge of sports or someone desperate for money. People do sell things for cheap when they need money....I know this first hand..I just sold a $1000 bike yesterday for $350 cash.

Brian

earlycalguy · January 25, 2009 5:36AM

hate stan the man
love stan the man
whatever you think of stan the man does not matter to me -

just know the GAI autos of mick, dimaggio, ted w, koufax etc are fake. they are not worth the paper they are printed on.

if you have an older GAI with Mike Guitterez (sp) or Justin Piddy then you are probably okay..but anything recent - stay away

Mickey Mantle Auto and Joe Dimaggio Auto

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