Ebay auct- 120362819039 --- no way

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 5:18AM

Can someone post a link. A PSA 8 1959 MANTLE. There is no way that is legit. The label is bogus and that is no PSA 8. What is getting scary with Fleebay is that some of these sellers have like 4000 feedback. Is PSA taking notice of stuff like this? Is PSA taking notice of stuff like this? Is PSA taking notice of stuff like this? This should be a large concern to PSA.

BunchOBull · January 22, 2009 5:21AM

link

cert #: 07091100

storm888 · January 22, 2009 5:33AM

"...What is getting scary with Fleebay is that some of these sellers have like 4000 feedback. ..."

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LOTS of "honest" folks have gotten stuck with stuff from the
Hernandez-Gang on Craig's List.

The "honest" folks are simply passing the hot-spud.

EBAY could NOT care less.

I have NO clue as to why the TPGs do not address the problem.

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Pretty soon, the pool may well be hopelessly polluted.

Stingray · January 22, 2009 5:34AM

Not trying to bust your chops Mikey71, but it is time to learn how to link!!

storm888 · January 22, 2009 5:36AM

<< Not trying to bust your chops Mikey71, but it is time to learn how to link!! >>

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Folks using Vista can have serious challenges trying to learn that skill.

MBMiller25 · January 22, 2009 5:42AM

Thats a shame on that card. It very well might not be legit, but the seller is a pretty good seller. I have dealt with him in the past and had no problems.

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 5:44AM

Stingray,
I can't link and you can't spell. (Mikey71).

Stingray · January 22, 2009 5:44AM

Top right corner of that slab looks really bad!!

MBMiller25 · January 22, 2009 5:47AM

<< Top right corner of that slab looks really bad!! >>

The entire slab looks really bad.

scoutsout47 · January 22, 2009 5:52AM

And, so does the centering. Run, run, run!

Stingray · January 22, 2009 6:00AM

<< Stingray,
I can't link and you can't spell. (Mikey71). >>

Yeah I wish they had something on here for that problem!!

storm888 · January 22, 2009 6:02AM

It is next to impossible to get this kind of listing poofed
by T&S. They have NOBODY there - in a top spot - who
knows what the score is.

The ONLY hope is that when "honest" sellers are told
about the "problem," they will pull the listings. MOST
just want to argue and tell the heads-up-giver to die.

larryallen73 · January 22, 2009 6:07AM

Bummer. I bid on a few of his auctions.

EarlsWorld · January 22, 2009 6:18AM

In this Hobby that I cherish and love so much along with hundreds if not thousands of other good honest folk, should have some safeguards in place to protect itself from vandals and despicable people who are trying to ruin it! I am grateful there are people on the CU boards that alert others here when there is a suspicion or outright forgery being offered. On the other hand, if the money companies won't take responsibility for allowing this then they should be legally held responsible! Especially, when they receive notices/emails from concerned collectors that an item needs to be pulled or triple checked! FEEBAY needs to be held accountable somehow. If I got burned for thousands because I bought an item on Ebay that they were alerted that was a forgery or suspected forgery, I would sue the heck out of them -- they have to have some liability for allowing it! Where is it going to end? When there is no Hobby left?

<< "...What is getting scary with Fleebay is that some of these sellers have like 4000 feedback. ..."

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LOTS of "honest" folks have gotten stuck with stuff from the
Hernandez-Gang on Craig's List.

The "honest" folks are simply passing the hot-spud.

EBAY could NOT care less.

I have NO clue as to why the TPGs do not address the problem.

.......

Pretty soon, the pool may well be hopelessly polluted. >>

SS · January 22, 2009 6:28AM

Mine looks much better, and it's only a 5.5

OckhamsRazor · January 22, 2009 6:35AM

This card was sold on 6/4/08. I don't know how to post the picture of that card here. Someone with VCP access can get that file image and post it. The flip has definitely been altered/substituted.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 6:53AM

The seller has sent the card to PSA for a look see.

So lets not pile on the guy as he is trying to do the right thing.

Steve

MBMiller25 · January 22, 2009 6:58AM

<< The seller has sent the card to PSA for a look see. >>

Steve, Where did you get that info from? I haven't gotten a response from Chris yet regarding this card.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 7:12AM

PM sent to MB

Steve

mickeymantle24 · January 22, 2009 7:13AM

I have a PSA 6 that is way better than that. The label looks so fake also. Not as much red around the border

mickeymantle24 · January 22, 2009 7:13AM

the card also looks trimmed. IMO

storm888 · January 22, 2009 7:16AM

"The seller has sent the card to PSA for a look see. .."

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Excellent.

I hope he knows the seller he bought it from.

mickeymantle24 · January 22, 2009 7:36AM

Great job on the sellers part. I doubt PSA will even grade it I believe it is trimmed. If they do grade it I believe it will get a 4 or 4.5

OckhamsRazor · January 22, 2009 7:56AM

Here is the same cert # sold on 6/4/08 by prewarcardcollector:

Looks like a fake label has been inserted into the flip in the current ebay auction.

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 8:08AM

What I also can never figure out is how high the bidding gets. Anyone with 2% knowledge about high end cards can see from the scan that the card is not NM-MT. You don't even have to see the label for this. This card was at about 2 grand when I spotted it. Also, I have some strong words for people who are passing along these type of easily, easily,easily,easily detectable tampered slabs-- "You need to start doing the right thing" not just when you're directed to. I personally would not purchase from this seller. Sorry for the harsh opinion but that's the way it goes.

stevek · January 22, 2009 8:12AM

<< "...What is getting scary with Fleebay is that some of these sellers have like 4000 feedback. ..."

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LOTS of "honest" folks have gotten stuck with stuff from the
Hernandez-Gang on Craig's List.

The "honest" folks are simply passing the hot-spud.

EBAY could NOT care less.

I have NO clue as to why the TPGs do not address the problem.

.......

Pretty soon, the pool may well be hopelessly polluted. >>

In my opinion this goes beyond "weasel" and borders on criminal. If anyone buys fraudulent merchandise, and then tries to sell it, then they are just as guilty as the scammer who sold it to them.

storm888 · January 22, 2009 8:28AM

"Here is the same cert # sold on 6/4/08 by prewarcardcollector:"

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Does VCP show EBAY listing numbers?

If so, can anybody with that number please post it here?

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 8:28AM

I still see the card up for auction. I thought the seller is sending it to PSA. What the hell is going on here?

storm888 · January 22, 2009 8:32AM

Seller cannot cancel listing with less than 12-hours to go.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 8:32AM

The seller stated to me that he sent the card to PSA.

He then stated that if they find the slab to be compromised he would then
cancel the auction.

I see no problem with him continuing the auction until he finds out what
the story is.

I'm thinking I was not the first person to email him.

Steve

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 8:40AM

I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but did he send the card to PSA or is he in the process of sending it. If he already sent it then he should have canceled the auction. If he was just made aware of the obviously bogus looking card that 99.99% of all vintage PSA card collectors could detect then I could see the auction running it's course. Either way this is bull crap.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 8:41AM

I think he meant cancel as in not cancel it via ebay but tell the winner that it turned out to be a bad card.

I see only bad things from this auction.

He loses either way.

One can tell just by the centering that their is no way that card gets an 8.

Then again I don't have the card in hand so i dunno.

Steve

OckhamsRazor · January 22, 2009 8:43AM

"Does VCP show EBAY listing numbers?

If so, can anybody with that number please post it here? "

The 6/4/08 ebay auction is too old to be active anymore. However, based on the buyer's feedback from prewarcardcollector, it looks like the auction number was: #110257110814. FWIW.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 8:45AM

Mickey

I really don't know, I only know what he told me. That he sent it to PSA. For all I know he could be BS'ing me.

If it was me and I as told the card could be bad, and I sent it to PSA I too would have ended the auction early.

And if I couldn't because less then 12 hrs was left I'd be on the phone to ebay asking them to pull it.

My rep is worth more to me then 2 or 3 k.

Steve

Mickey71 · January 22, 2009 8:53AM

Steve,
My thoughts exactly about reputation. This appears to be an ugly situation where the seller may have some explaining to do.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 9:17AM

Yep he is in a no win situation.

Steve

storm888 · January 22, 2009 9:33AM

"Here is the same cert # sold on 6/4/08 by prewarcardcollector:"

EBAY # 110257110814

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I can find no connection between the 6/4/08 buyer and the current seller.
The card was purchased on a fair-size buying account that has never sold
anything, and never had a controversy; member since 2005, in a southern
state.

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The current seller's listing-picture is a mess. (All of his pics are
in the same "style.")

I cannot tell - easily and for certain - if it is the same card.
The flip looks much different, and the slab looks tampered.

I dunno.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 9:39AM

I just re read his reply to me and in it he claims PSA should have for him an answer
tomorrow or Saturday at the latest. He implied he has a working relationship with someone there.

I'm thinking he tried to flip it, was told by a few peeps it was bad and sent it to PSA.

He also told me they could not say anything until they had it in hand.

Of course I'm going by what he has said.

Steve

durango444 · January 22, 2009 9:39AM

If he really sent the card to PSA and did not want to sell it and was smart. He would have someone he knows put in a proxy bid of $10000 an assure that no one would be stuck with that card.

WinPitcher · January 22, 2009 9:41AM

Card ended at over 2k with that crappy butt scan.

Steve

durango444 · January 22, 2009 9:46AM

Some people have more money than sense.

storm888 · January 22, 2009 9:46AM

Winning bid: US $2,105.33

1***1 (93)

lb1939feb10 (93)

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lb1939feb10 (93) 2 years 2 months WA, United States

WinPitcher · January 26, 2009 10:59AM

Found it!!

Steve

Ladder7 · January 26, 2009 10:54PM

I've got poor vision, but could certainly spot that forged flip easily. How could this Chris fellow not look closely at that hi-value card?.. Not like it's a 2004 shiny Pujols or Arod.

Ebay auct- 120362819039 --- no way

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