Help me grade this 1953 topps mickey mantle

Cldroescher · January 8, 2009 8:08AM

Hi, I purchased this 1953 topps mantle on ebay. The seller said it was authentic and untrimmed or unltered or he would send a full refund. What to you guys think it would grade PSA? It has a small mark as you can see. Should i have it graded with "No Q's" or just leave it? Thanks

Rogermnj · January 8, 2009 8:09AM

I am no specialist on vintage but i think the odds of it being real are approx 0%

Davemri · January 8, 2009 8:09AM

reprint

lawnmowerman · January 8, 2009 8:10AM

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 8:15AM

The seller said it was authentic and untrimmed or unltered or he would send a full refund.

I think you should start asking for that refund.

fiveniner · January 8, 2009 8:16AM

REPRINT

123Slider · January 8, 2009 8:19AM

Act now to get your $599 back.

This line "Please examine photos carefully and do not bid if you are not sure!" should say run away as fast as you can.

yankeeno7 · January 8, 2009 8:21AM

PSA 0

Barry

PoppaJ · January 8, 2009 8:22AM

Hi Caleb,

It's an authentic and untrimmed reprint!

I'd file asap if you haven't already.

Could you post a link to the auction?

PoppaJ

Cldroescher · January 8, 2009 8:26AM

That is what his listing said but in an email i asked him "will you give me a full refund if your card is trimmed or in anyway unauthentic" his reply was "OK, Sure" Then in a later email he promised to give a full refund if it doesn't come back authentic from PSA

slantycouch · January 8, 2009 8:27AM

Absolutely a reprint.

Cldroescher · January 8, 2009 8:27AM

The price of the card will be refunded only if the card is proven to not be authentic" as his listing said
the ebay item number is 320330717453

slantycouch · January 8, 2009 8:30AM

<< The price of the card will be refunded only if the card is proven to not be authentic" as his listing said
the ebay item number is 320330717453 >>

You may be out some grading fees then.

swartz1 · January 8, 2009 8:31AM

this is not going to end well...get your $ back....

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 8:31AM

Send it to any grading company, they shouldnt have a problem. Even GEM could get this one right.

BassPro77 · January 8, 2009 8:32AM

link

HighChopper · January 8, 2009 8:33AM

8.5

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 8:36AM

by the way the auction is worded i feel you are going to have problems with this clown. First, I think if you send it back to him for a refund he is going to say that it is not the card he sent you. His statement "you should be able to tell by the picture if it is authentic or not" bothers me too.

BassPro77 · January 8, 2009 8:38AM

if you send it in to PSA i think that would void returning the card within 7 days

Cldroescher · January 8, 2009 8:38AM

So why exactly do you think this item is unauthentic. Personally i don't think it would grade near an 8.5 because of that mark.

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 8:39AM

I assume you have already paid for the card ??

If you have, you may want to ask what recourse you may have via Paypal and or your Crdit card if you paid with one.

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 8:40AM

<< if you send it in to PSA i think that would void returning the card within 7 days >>

Wow ! I didnt see that, This guy has all the bases covered. He knows good and well you will never be able to get an opinion and get it back in 7 days.

slantycouch · January 8, 2009 8:41AM

<< So why exactly do you think this item is unauthentic. Personally i don't think it would grade near an 8.5 because of that mark. >>

The card stock is wrong. Here's a real one:

brendanb438 · January 8, 2009 8:42AM

The card is clearly a fake. File a SNAD via Paypal right away and get the ball rolling. I hope you paid via a CC also just in case PP tries to stick ya.

Bailey · January 8, 2009 8:44AM

From the auction:

"the card measures 2.5 x 3.5."

That's the wrong size for a 1953 Topps, which should measure 2 5/8 by 3 3/4.

Bailey

lsutigers1973 · January 8, 2009 8:44AM

It appears to be a 1991 Archive card. Plus, if it were real, it is clearly at least PSA 6 or better which makes it a $2000 card. Did you really think you were getting a possible PSA 7 or 8 card for $600?

slantycouch · January 8, 2009 8:46AM

It looks like a 1991 Topps Archives, but they had some sort of notation on the reverse, right?

Edit: Link

WinPitcher · January 8, 2009 9:01AM

So how did this nightmare turn out?

Steve

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 9:07AM

<< So how did this nightmare turn out?

Steve >>

I think it's still going on.........

jimq112 · January 8, 2009 9:10AM

The card had been previously listed at $499 with no takers. OP should keep copies of both auctions and all pictures before they disappear! Also keep all the questions and answers. He says in the Q&A that the card is not his and belongs to a friend.

previous listing

Stingray · January 8, 2009 9:38AM

Wow, if he would have only asked before he bought it!!

Brick · January 8, 2009 9:47AM

It is from the reprints Topps came out with in the early 90s. On the bottom of the reverse it should say Topps Baseball Archives The Ultimate 1953 Series. Somehow this has been removed from this card. It is clearly not a 1952 as it states in the auction. I hope you are able to get your money back. There is little very remote chance the seller does not know what he has but with all the red flags he is probably looking for someone to scam.

tennesseebanker · January 8, 2009 9:49AM

I dont think anything has been removed, I think it is just a bad attempt to duplicate a 53 Mantle, just a counterfeit someone made.

jswieton · January 8, 2009 10:01AM

There is no possibility that this card comes back as being authentic. He is then going to say that you switched the card and that is not the card he sent you. I really hope you have not sent the money yet.
The guy is pretty much saying that he card is fake in his item description.

zep33 · January 8, 2009 10:07AM

this must be some kind of a joke

41GoudeyGuy · January 8, 2009 10:19AM

It will come back with a number grade. It just won't come back as a 1953 Topps. It is from the 1953 Topps reprint set. Sorry, but technically I think he's got you.

Stingray · January 8, 2009 10:30AM

Define authentic: it is an authentic Topps card from their reprint set.

leathtech · January 8, 2009 10:54AM

<< Wow, if he would have only asked before he bought it!! >>

The buy obviously thought he was getting a deal probably did not want someone to outbid him.

I hope everything works out for you, good luck getting your money back!

PoppaJ · January 8, 2009 11:20AM

<< That is what his listing said but in an email i asked him "will you give me a full refund if your card is trimmed or in anyway unauthentic" his reply was "OK, Sure" Then in a later email he promised to give a full refund if it doesn't come back authentic from PSA >>

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Hi Caleb,

one problem I see is that he listed the card under the following categories:
Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop > Cards > Baseball MLB > Singles (1950-59) > Non-Graded > 1953.

I'm pretty sure that category group doesn't include REPRINTS, unless there was an actual reprint made that year, which I doubt.

The guy could be shady and/or super ignorant about sportscards. He actually does try to describe and photograph the card in a very novice way by pointing things out like a tear .... "There is a slight separation (pictured) at this spot", and a stain .... "The only flaw is a light stain in the lower left corner on the front (and the lower right on the rear)."

He doesn't seem to have ever sold any sportscards before either, for whatever that's worth! Maybe he's trying to recoup his loss from being taken by someone that sold this card to him!!!!?????

You probably should contact eBay and PayPal, asap, to see what steps you should take to file successful claims. I have a funny feeling that this seller isn't going to make it easy for you.

Regardless of whichever scenario seems reasonable, I would definitely be talking to someone at eBay and PayPal asap. Ask for their advice or recommendation about sending to PSA to prove authenticity or not.

jimq112 made a very good point in his post.

Storm always has very good knowledge in these matters too. I'd PM him for his input if he hasn't posted yet.

I hope everything works out for you

JMHO,
PoppaJ

calaban7 · January 8, 2009 11:32AM

<< Even GEM could get this one right. >>

Dude, Back away from the meds

Ladder7 · January 8, 2009 11:41AM

Buyer, Listen to these guys. You've been scammed PERIOD.

storm888 · January 8, 2009 12:04PM

"...So why exactly do you think this item is unauthentic. ..."

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I am pretty confident that I know what a real one looks like.

The one you are showing is not a "real one."

File a SNAD with PayPal immediately.

The seller's TOS are meaningless, and your refund will be granted.

I suspect the seller is subject to the 21-day hold at PayPal, but file fast.

"Card is a counterfeit and is significantly not as described."

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The seller may or may not be a crook. I dunno that.

I do know that the economy is all messed-up, and many previously "honest"
sellers can be expected to go bad during the coming months/years.

Cldroescher · January 8, 2009 11:29PM

Seller sent a refund. I got my money back. Seller was good to work with. Thanks

WinPitcher · January 8, 2009 11:46PM

Next time ask before you buy. Or, know what you are buying.

You might not get off as easy the next time.

Steve

Help me grade this 1953 topps mickey mantle

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