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New NGC edge-view holder and very small coins = What were they thinking?

pcgs69pcgs69 Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭✭
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Now, I actually like the new holder for larger coins, but I think it looks horrible with smaller coins. It takes up a good portion of the design elements.

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  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭
    Beautiful Maundy 1 Pence.
    Rotten holder.

    Ray
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    that's terrible.
  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Actually it's not nearly as bad as it looks. That photo is taken at an angle to show the toning. --Jerry
  • dan8402dan8402 Posts: 2,163


    << <i>Actually it's not nearly as bad as it looks. That photo is taken at an angle to show the toning. --Jerry >>



    Well, it looks horrendous. So, a step lower than that would be really really really bad image
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,277 ✭✭✭
    Those coins are tough to mount in any slab. I cracked mine out of an ANACS slab (the hole it was in was irregular due to the custom size. They look much better raw:

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>Actually it's not nearly as bad as it looks. That photo is taken at an angle to show the toning. --Jerry >>

    Well, it looks horrendous. So, a step lower than that would be really really really bad image >>



    That may be true. On that small coin the tabs remind me of the left thumb of a right handed framing carpenter with poor eyesight. --Jerry
  • ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭
    I personally like the PCGS edge view holders used for Husak's large cents, but they apparently don;t have those for coins of all sizes.
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  • dan8402dan8402 Posts: 2,163


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Actually it's not nearly as bad as it looks. That photo is taken at an angle to show the toning. --Jerry >>

    Well, it looks horrendous. So, a step lower than that would be really really really bad image >>



    That may be true. On that small coin the tabs remind me of the left thumb of a right handed framing carpenter with poor eyesight. --Jerry >>



    image I just wish that PCGS would introduce many more sizes of their much better edgeview holder. It is many times better than the the NGC edgeview IMO.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have already passed on a couple of coins in which the new holder was part of the issue. If it is something I REALLY need, the holder does not matter, but for something that I am casually interested in, it can be a strike against the coin.

    I was talking to a dealer about a small coin in a new style NGC holder yesterday, and he referred to it as a New Goshdarn* Crappy holder (of course, Goshdarn was said with a little stronger word choice that also began with a "G"). I do not think that he likes them either.

    NGC blew it, IMO. They should have gone with the holder style that they use for multi-holders and Cal Gold with the clear gasket.
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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, and before you tell me that it is not about the holder, and I should only look at the coin, the holder is like a frame and the coin a painting. If you put an unattractive frame around a beautiful picture, the whole thing looks crappy. If I have to break out the coin to enjoy it, which is sometimes my intention, then break the coin out of the holder and sell it to me raw (at the commensurate price).
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  • GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Now, I actually like the new holder for larger coins, but I think it looks horrible with smaller coins. It takes up a good portion of the design elements. >>



    image

    I like it with big coins or edge lettered coins but on cents and dimes it looks strange and is distracting in photos.
    Ed
  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    Yeah NGC slabs already stunk for small coins and I cant believe they even made it worse. It makes you wonder. Its very distracting. The analogy of the frame and painting I thought was very good.
  • Halfhunter06Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭
    ooooo your right, i dont like that at all
  • BillyGoatsGruffBillyGoatsGruff Posts: 640
    The new holders are not conducive to imaging either. I've imaged a considerable amount of coins to date, but the new holders make it impossible to get a good shot of the coin without including the white prongs. Looks like it's back to the drawing board for NGC.
    BGG
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the answer to all these "Edgeview Holder" concerns is to go the multi-holder route.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,617 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wouldn't give up on the concept quite yet. It looks like the claws are the same size and inner depth regardless of the size of the coin. That can be changed, and it could be a great improvement. Not perfect, but a big step in the right direction.
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  • illini420illini420 Posts: 11,486 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I wouldn't give up on the concept quite yet. It looks like the claws are the same size and inner depth regardless of the size of the coin. That can be changed, and it could be a great improvement. Not perfect, but a big step in the right direction. >>



    I agree, I hope both NGC and PCGS keep working on this to make the edge of the coins visible. Very important to see the edge! The PCGS edgeview with the clear tabs is the bomb!! I think NCS uses a clear edge view as well. A clear edge view that doesn't go as deep on the small coins would be great!!

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  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,034 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are those holders going to promote a toning pattern on the coins? If they do, I don't expect it will be attractive at all.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,500 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. I was gonna give NGC a try with some Buff uncirc sets and a few 08w AGE uncirc sets. Not unless I can specifiy an earlier holder!

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  • CertifiedGoldCoinsCertifiedGoldCoins Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭
    It's overbearing. Hiding part of the design is idiotic. image
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  • DJCoinzDJCoinz Posts: 3,856 ✭


    << <i>Are those holders going to promote a toning pattern on the coins? If they do, I don't expect it will be attractive at all. >>

    Hmm, that's an interesting point.
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  • scoobydeuxscoobydeux Posts: 498 ✭✭
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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164

    Bad Taste, Bad Timing bet they revise it within the year...

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  • golfer72golfer72 Posts: 3,588
    It makes you wonder how a design like this actually gets from the idea stage to actual implementation. Who is running the show over there? Nobody brought up these comments before they rolled out this thing? I would like to see a really small coin in one of these slabs. That would really be interesting.
  • jsfjsf Posts: 1,889
    "Nobody brought up these comments before they rolled out this thing?"


    I've been asking this about truck engineers for years. The only conclusion I've been able to reach is that they obviously do not work on their own vehicles.

    Granted, I re-entered the hobby within the past few years, but why hasn't someone REALLY solved this issue of being able to view coin edges in holders before now?
  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    At the Money Show in Houston yesterday, I saw a proof 3c Nickel that had already rotated about 45 degrees in the new holder. They apparently don't hold them very well, either.
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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,371 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>At the Money Show in Houston yesterday, I saw a proof 3c Nickel that had already rotated about 45 degrees in the new holder. They apparently don't hold them very well, either. >>



    Unfair criticism. Have you ever seen a slab design where a coin, especially with a smooth edge, can't rotate?

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  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    I don't like the new NGC holders, even on large coins. If I had to have the coin, in their new holder, I would cross it to PCGS ASAP.


  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the claws must be clear
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