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What is the point of a "short set"?

Hello folks, as I have been learning more and more about this hobby, I am ending up with more questions.

Here is one that's been perplexing me for a while. What is the point of a "short set"? From what I've been able to gather, it is a portion of a full set and it seems to be rather arbitrary in it's designations.

I don't understand this concept. It's not a full set, and that seems to be something that set collectors go for-myself included-so it seems kind of silly. To me, that is just a particular portion of a set that has been completed, but is not, in and of itself, a set. At least to me.

Thanks!
Billy Kingsley ANA R-3146356 Cardboard History // Numismatic History

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    BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    saves money, often focus is on the best examples (available with nice luster, strike, and high enough grades), and provides sufficient challenge in making a matched set.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess that theoretically, a short set can be whatever you want it to be.

    I think that some of these were created to make it possible for collectors of limited means to fill an album (or, later, a registry set) and have a sense of accomplishment for doing so.
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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    For some sets if the keys are in the early section and cost a lot in high grades but you want high grades you can start with the easy half and start out for less money and still have high grades and a complete short set.

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Affordability.
    When in doubt, don't.
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    Affordability, completability, short attention span. A short set is a way to set a goal for those of limited means. Some collectors much prefer high grade coins, and the keys may be extraordinarily expensive in high grade. Some full sets, even in circulated grades cost much more than some budgets.

    Personally, I am a big fan of short sets. They are a fine way for beginning collectors to learn the ropes without breaking the bank. For some folks having short term goals and completing them in a reasonable length of time is the only way to stay interested. Others may prefer the decades long pursuit of a larger goal, but most will lose interest before completing those goals.

    As always, collect what you like, not what others like, or tell you to like. Enjoy the hobby.
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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭✭
    It provides an achievable goal for a collector with a limited budget.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Short sets were (and still are) marketing ploys that were born during the coin boom of the late 1950's and early 1960's. Many short sets were based on either affordability or spaces in specific coin albums that were popular at that time.
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    BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks for the info! I now feel like I have a profficient understanding of the short set.

    As someone who is on a limited budget, I can certainly understand the appeal of them, now. (I had not considered that aspect previously) but I think that I would rather go the decades long route, like RedTiger said. I have patience and time, and would prefer to add pieces slowly then rush through a short set! The way I figure it, by going about it my way, the joy of finally getting something after a few decades of wanting it will (hopefully) far outweigh the joy of completing a short set in a short time.

    At least, I hope so! image
    Billy Kingsley ANA R-3146356 Cardboard History // Numismatic History
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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    were short set's mainly merc's and walkers or did that term extended into other series?
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    COALPORTERCOALPORTER Posts: 2,900 ✭✭
    A great example is the twenty cent piece .
    Even for those with no budget, the 76 CC may pose a problem. image
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    << <i> did that term extended into other series? >>

    Buffalo Nickels, 1934-38, for one.
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    A good valid "short set" would be Jeff War nickles. 11 coins not counting errors. Some other sets I feel are more arbitrary than this.
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    I like the Merc 10c short set. You can complete this set with very nice BU examples for very little money.
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,198 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>were short set's mainly merc's and walkers or did that term extended into other series? >>



    The Mercury dime and Walking Liberty half short sets are by far the most common. As others have said, 1934-38 Buffalo nickels and Silver War nickels also saw considerable popularity.
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    BillyKingsleyBillyKingsley Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭✭
    The war-nickel set makes sence to me perfectly, as that is a variation set that's more of a sub-set.
    Billy Kingsley ANA R-3146356 Cardboard History // Numismatic History
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    OneCentOneCent Posts: 3,561
    1934 - 1958 Lincoln Wheatback short set.

    Although I don't know if it is commonly accepted as such.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    The proof Kennedy Short Set exists because the coins struck after 1970 suck. image

    Russ, NCNE
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    LindeDadLindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't they find there beginnings in the Whitman coin boards?
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    garsmithgarsmith Posts: 5,894 ✭✭


    << <i>It provides an achievable goal for a collector with a limited budget. >>




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    Type2Type2 Posts: 13,985 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a short set of 2008 Buffalos. image


    Hoard the keys.
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    ColonialCoinUnionColonialCoinUnion Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The proof Kennedy Short Set exists because the coins struck after 1970 suck. image >>



    Well said!
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    Not really a short set but a nice subset would be Franklin Proofs. 14 coins and achievable. I never liked the Franklin business strikes very much but love the proofs. Lincoln matte proofs another subset but pretty expensive. I guess these are really "subsets" as opposed to "short sets" though. Short sets like 34-38 Buffaloes never made sense to me.
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    RTSRTS Posts: 1,408
    With few exceptions I think short sets are a cop out...if you cannot collect a complete recognized and generally accepted collection then don't; but don't invent a set based on economics or lack of will. I like 1794 Large Cents and it is not practical for me to attempt to collect a 1794 variety set so I devise little sets according to my own likes and budget but by no measure would I consider these short sets. To me the concept of most short sets is lame.
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    TreemanTreeman Posts: 426 ✭✭✭
    My "Short Set" is a little different...
    I collect Large Cents, and my set is "short" most of the required coins.....
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    orevilleoreville Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Billy:

    Then you might like the long set of Prince Edward Island coinage of the 19th century!

    I own both a long and short set of PEI cents!

    Both long and long set owners have no quarrel with each other. There is a definite sense of mutual respect and affection for each other.
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    TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As opposed to owning ONE coin, a short set makes a guy feel like he's completed something.
    (tongue in cheek)
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    just another reminder that I should have stopped this Walker collecting much sooner...
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    veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭
    My preferred version of a short set would be one coin from every year; a complete date set.

    For example, my Mercury dime set would require the least expensive coin for each year, from 1916 to 1945. As far as grades are concerned, I'd want MS grades for every year, with an AU 1921.

    With this approach, I still satisfy my desire to "complete" a set at a much lower cost.

    What a great way to avoid the 16-D!image
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    FairlanemanFairlaneman Posts: 10,428 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My preferred version of a short set would be one mint marked coin, most likely D with a few S coins thrown in from every year, from 1916 thru 1931.

    For example, my Mercury dime set would require the most expensive coin for each year, from 1916 to 1931. As far as grades are concerned, I'd want MS67FB grades for every year, with an MS67FB 1921.

    With this approach, I still satisfy my desire to "complete" a set at a much higher cost.

    What a great way to avoid the cheap common later dates!image >>



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    veryfineveryfine Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My preferred version of a short set would be one mint marked coin, most likely D with a few S coins thrown in from every year, from 1916 thru 1931.

    For example, my Mercury dime set would require the most expensive coin for each year, from 1916 to 1931. As far as grades are concerned, I'd want MS67FB grades for every year, with an MS67FB 1921.

    With this approach, I still satisfy my desire to "complete" a set at a much higher cost.

    What a great way to avoid the cheap common later dates!image >>



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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,654 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think that some of these were created to make it possible for collectors of limited means to fill an album (or, later, a registry set) and have a sense of accomplishment for doing so. >>



    In other words.....marketing image
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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The proof Kennedy Short Set exists because the coins struck after 1970 suck. image

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Russ, would you mind explaining this a bit? Why do they suck? Just the quality? (I'm assuming you're being tongue-in-cheek about the "pre-1971" short set as there aren't really enough proofs to make a set at all, yes?) And at what point did the quality become "worthy" again--if it did at all? Thanks!
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    WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Short sets were (and still are) marketing ploys that were born during the coin boom of the late 1950's and early 1960's. Many short sets were based on either affordability or spaces in specific coin albums that were popular at that time.



    Yup, that was my thinking as well.


    Steve
    Good for you.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ, would you mind explaining this a bit? Why do they suck? >>



    They don't really suck, they're just too easy to find in high grade. No challenge. If I were a business strike collector I'd be more interested in the coins after 1970, since there are actually some challenging ones there.

    Russ, NCNE
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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Ah, I see. Thanks Russ!
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