Good Dealers that you never hit it off "just right" with as a collector
tcmitssr
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I don't mean this as a slamfest. There are many good, and some downright great dealers. Yet, different strokes for different folks and not everyone is the other person's "cup of tea" so to speak. Who's yours?
Mine is Pinnacle. I've never heard a bad thing about them but whenever I've tried to make something happen, I've either: just missed the sale, they don't do NGC crossovers to PCGS for what I collect, left it back at the office (while at a show) etc.
Whatever the reason(s), I'm just snakebit in my attempts to work with them. They seem like good people and I've only read that they are, here in posts. Yet, for me...if I see a coin I like with them, I go "oh-oh" because the history suggests something will arise so as to not make it happen.
Mine is Pinnacle. I've never heard a bad thing about them but whenever I've tried to make something happen, I've either: just missed the sale, they don't do NGC crossovers to PCGS for what I collect, left it back at the office (while at a show) etc.
Whatever the reason(s), I'm just snakebit in my attempts to work with them. They seem like good people and I've only read that they are, here in posts. Yet, for me...if I see a coin I like with them, I go "oh-oh" because the history suggests something will arise so as to not make it happen.
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A good freind of mine who loves copper "Indian cents and Lincolns " was at a show a several years ago and was turned off by one of the well known dealers in this area. I am not sure exactly what happened, (but not speaking up for my freind, but he is a he!! of a nice guy and I cant imagine anybody not getting along with him. He is very timid and soft spoken, may be the dealer blew him off a little , who knows. But anyway he spends about 25-40k every major show and no matter how bad he is looking for a specific coin, he will not even stop at this guys table. And this particular dealer is known for having good premium high end quality coins, does quite a bit of business with registry folks and seems to have what my freind is looking for most of the time, but he will not stop at all period.
jim
I have generally had good experience with Pinnacle, but there are other dealers who some folks here like that I just have not hit it off with and no longer make the effort.
<< <i> But anyway he spends about 25-40k every major show and no matter how bad he is looking for a specific coin, he will not even stop at this guys table. And this particular dealer is known for having good premium high end quality coins, does quite a bit of business with registry folks and seems to have what my freind is looking for most of the time, but he will not stop at all period. jim >>
That doesn't surprise me because even though first impressions may be wrong, they last forever!
"A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city; and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." - Proverbs 18:19
- Jim
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
and then purchase 10,000 worth. Regardless of the deals a dealer
may offer, I will only do bussiness with a dealer that I have a rapport
with. My interest is in the hobby , not a business and If I can not
enjoy the transaction, then I will not patronize the dealer.
Camelot
<< <i>I am having trouble hitting it off with the television coin sellers on the home shopping network. >>
There is one well known dealer who often post on this board that I will never deal with. A few years ago I was in the market to sell a very nice coin. This dealer posted on the BST that he was interested in buying this particular type of coin. I sent him a pic and a message asking if he would have any interest. He responded to my simple reply with a couple of berating paragraphs telling me that you don't present coins like that to important people in the hobby without sending a price. He basically told me to get lost and find a hobby more fitting to my level of sophistication. Well I took the coin to the ANA skipped right by his table and started a bidding war for the coin betwen several other well known dealers.
This dealer will never see any business from me.
I frequently travel on business and mis-timed an arrival about 10 years ago from Larry and called 8 days later to return a coin and was blown off (7 day return).
Stacks twice I was in NYC on business, walked in and asked for early date large cents in Fine or better. You would have thought I'd asked if they molested children. The first time I didn't know about the no credit card policy, so walked out with a couple of books. The second time I walked in with $5k in my pocket and walked out with $5k in my pocket. Both of these occurrences were 5-7 years ago.
I do buy from Stacks at auction, but only because I like the ANR/Bowers people.
About a month later I called again with a few coins listed again, with similar results. One coin was repriced up $1,000 after I asked about - I am guessing that it was mis-priced and was simply corrected. No hard feelings, but I will just try to connect with this indiviual at shows, and give up on their website.
merse
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<< <i>I am a part-time dealer as well as a collector so I just took it into inventory.
As a part-time dealer, don't expect the same treatment as a full-time collector. >>
Understood. That is why I made sure to buy the coin that was offered. Just a gesture of good will. Also, if an item was mispriced on the web site, I have no trouble with it being repriced. Like I said, no hard feelings - I will still look for this dealer at shows. Just the website seemed to be unreliable.
merse
Frankly, I am intimidated by you...especially with all of the POR's
Collector oriented dealers including Pinnacle, Coin Rarities Online, Harry Laibstain, John Kraljevich, Mike Printz, Doug Winter, Legend, etc .....
Add Mark Feld, and that group covers about 97% of my collecting needs.
It's not you, it's your coins.
Joe - I have the same problem. That's why I spend so much time here. To show people how normal I am.
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
Would that make me
Ab e normal?
Camelot
<< <i>Personally, I know that some collectors think that I'm unapproachable
Joe - I have the same problem. That's why I spend so much time here. To show people how normal I am. >>
It's not working.
is to throw a lot of beef jerky at him before
you start talking. The jerky will settle him
down.
Camelot
<< <i>There is one well known dealer who often post on this board that I will never deal with. A few years ago I was in the market to sell a very nice coin. This dealer posted on the BST that he was interested in buying this particular type of coin. I sent him a pic and a message asking if he would have any interest. He responded to my simple reply with a couple of berating paragraphs telling me that you don't present coins like that to important people in the hobby without sending a price. He basically told me to get lost and find a hobby more fitting to my level of sophistication. Well I took the coin to the ANA skipped right by his table and started a bidding war for the coin betwen several other well known dealers.
This dealer will never see any business from me. >>
That is amazing!
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
Was it MadMarty?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
<< <i>
<< <i>I don't mean this as a slamfest. There are many good, and some downright great dealers. Yet, different strokes for different folks and not everyone is the other person's "cup of tea" so to speak. Who's yours?
Mine is Pinnacle. I've never heard a bad thing about them but whenever I've tried to make something happen, I've either: just missed the sale, they don't do NGC crossovers to PCGS for what I collect, left it back at the office (while at a show) etc.
Whatever the reason(s), I'm just snakebit in my attempts to work with them. They seem like good people and I've only read that they are, here in posts. Yet, for me...if I see a coin I like with them, I go "oh-oh" because the history suggests something will arise so as to not make it happen. >>
T,
let me just say that I deal with Dan at Pinnacle and you should too. I have purchased some great coins from them, they are easy to deal with, and will remember you and contact you when something your interested comes in and give you first crack at it. I have only had great transactions with them.
Again, I stress that I am NOT knocking Pinnacle. From what I've read here, they are held in high esteem. As I said, maybe I'm snakebit when it comes to them. After a while though, one just sort of stops trying though because it seems like a brick wall will find a way, again, to get in the way.
<< <i>Katy at Pinnacle is one of my favorite dealers in the business. I find it hard to believe that any collector with an interest in the coins that Pinnacle sells would have trouble doing business with Katy, Chris, or Dan.
Keep in mind that coin shows are busy places. If you don't believe that you're getting the attention you need, speak up. If a dealer doesn't seem to recognize your face, reintroduce yourself. Collector oriented dealers including Pinnacle, Coin Rarities Online, Harry Laibstain, John Kraljevich, Mike Printz, Doug Winter, Legend, etc ..... and me, depend upon our continuing client relationships to stay in business. Sometimes first impressions are wrong.
Personally, I know that some collectors think that I'm unapproachable. That's incorrect. (Then again, why did I choose a bulldog for my avatar?) >>
Your very approachable!
I bought a real nice coin from you that you delivered to me at the CICF earlier this year.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>Personally, I know that some collectors think that I'm unapproachable
Joe - I have the same problem. That's why I spend so much time here. To show people how normal I am. >>
edited to add... just kidding Andy... please call off Aki...
<"Called him up and asked him for a nice original coin, he made a recommendation, and the coin I received was dipped out and hairlined. That was my one and only experience with him. Nothing against the guy, and I have no reason to doubt that his reputation is well-deserved, but my experience was different. Respectfully and honestly submitted...Mike ">
I've had similar experiences with other dealers, some of the most well known in the business. I ordered a seated dollar in EF from one famous one. I get a beat up/ scruffed dollar with many many very large divits on the rims. I was shocked, as they said on the invoice they picked this one out special for me!! I sent them a blistering response with the return. I never dealt with them again.
I once tried to buy a coin from one of our august ANA govenors, He berated me and treated me like an fool because I asked for a 10% discount/ counter offer. I am glad he is gone as a govenor.
I once bought a scarce 1905 panama 50centismo piece mail order. from a well known world coin dealer. He had two, one choice unc and one Au/Unc. I ordered the Choice Unc at the higher price. I receive an AU coin. He was to be at a large show near me in a few days so I went to his table to return the coin. I asked for my money back which he gave me. I then asked to see the 1905 50C he had in his case, it was choice UNC I asked the price and it was higher then the one I thought I had bought. I believe he had tested my ability to tell an AU / UNC coin from theCH UNC coin and get the CH UNC money for the AU/UNC piece. Another scam!
Be careful some dealers will test your abilities to grade, some will try and intimidate you when you return a coin or when you try and sell a coin to them.
enough!
Krueger
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<< <i>By the definition in the OP my "Problem Dealer" is Mark Feld. Literally every time I've tried to buy a coin from him it has been sold.....apparently some of you guys aren't having the same problem because...well, someone is getting the coins.
You just have to pay CLOSE attention to your inbasket the Saturday after major shows.
I think these guys are making so much money on the trading of gold and silver that they don't care about the collectors. The 5 minutes I was in there 2 women dragging their kids came in to sell old gold jewlery. These guys make a killing on that stuff. JMHO
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