Making Ms-66-67 buisness strike kennedy's?

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Jsayre
Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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I have a few rolls with some untouched completley uncirculated 71d and 72d Kennedy halfs. Most of the coins are stunning, but some of them seem exceptionally stunning. I was hoping that someone could help me with some raw pictures or even slabbed of high grade Kennedy's to put the ones that I have into perspective. I am tempted to submit a few but it seems only worth it if they reach MS-67. How perfect do they have to be? Thanks for any help!

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  • DoUPlayOnePocket
    DoUPlayOnePocket Posts: 330
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    Here is the obverse of a 2001-D, NGC MS68 business strike for starters. I'll see if I have any other photos that I can load into Photobucket.

    Chris

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  • DHeath
    DHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
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    You can't compare late date Kennedys, as the relief is substantially reduced and the detail strengthened. In fact, there have been several complete redesigns since the early 70's. The 71-D and 72-D come pretty nice. They have big fat rims and medium hard luster. A MS67 had better have a very clean full shield, strong strike from an early die, and killer luster.
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  • DHeath
    DHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
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    Here's a link to a 71 coin that fits the bill.
    And a 72
    And here's one from an abraded and polished die that has a hit on the shield, that really is a 65 in a 67 holder.
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    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • DoUPlayOnePocket
    DoUPlayOnePocket Posts: 330
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    Here are examples of NGC MS68 & MS67 business strikes. Granted, they are 30 years younger than yours, but..........

    These photos are a little better, but I'm not the greatest when it comes to taking photos. Hope this helps.

    Chris

    MS68
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    MS67
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  • DoUPlayOnePocket
    DoUPlayOnePocket Posts: 330
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    << <i>You can't compare late date Kennedys, as the relief is substantially reduced and the detail strengthened. >>



    Unfortunately, they are the only photos I have available. All of my other graded specimens are packed away so I can't take any photos of them. It's the best I could do on short notice.

    Chris
  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    for a Kennedy from the early '70's to grade 66-67 there are a few key requirements; full luster bloom, clean fields, essentially well struck central devices. usually there is some type of rub/scrape on the portrait, reeding marks from post stike contact or evidence of a weak strike at the top of the reverse shield. also, the luster is quite often weak and shows as almost a halo around the portrait of Kennedy. with all that said i've made 66's from that era with clean and nicely toned coins plucked from dealer stock. i think that collectors who put together album sets in the past did so with the best quality coins they could find and the dealers buy the album sets and place them in stock as singles.
  • Halfhunter06
    Halfhunter06 Posts: 1,346 ✭✭✭
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    guys, in the past 5 years i have searched more tham 1 million dollars worth of halves. The amount of unc 1971 and 1972 coins i find is incredible. I dont think its worth it for you to slab, heck ive even found more than 100 1987's in rolls.
  • keets
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    i don't think the point of the thread is to find unc. early clad dates, i can get you all the rolls and tubes you want since they are indeed as common as you say. the OP's simple question is in determining how to seperate the legions of MS63-65 coins available from the much smaller numbers that make up choicer MS66-67 coins. also, i don't think he's searching ordinary bank rolls, it seems he has some original rolls of the dates mentioned and only wants the help as described.
  • bushmaster8
    bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
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    1971-D is the most common kennedy in high grade. You really need MS68 to make a $$.
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  • Jsayre
    Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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    Thanks for all the advice everyone, I think I will wait to submit till I can see a few more coins first. These sure are nice but very common. Maybe I will turn them into self slabbed 70'Simage
  • keets
    keets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    set aside the choicest coins, you can never go wrong like that.
  • lasvegasteddy
    lasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
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    a piece of advice...before submitting send um off to someone here 1st with their eye's of experienced skill

    most all of us here love to help tha next...but a closed mouth doesn't get fed...that's why i like ya asking...go it another step

    pre-screening till not needed saves bunches n bunches and grows deeper levels of membership here
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  • cladking
    cladking Posts: 30,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>Thanks for all the advice everyone, I think I will wait to submit till I can see a few more coins first. These sure are nice but very common. Maybe I will turn them into self slabbed 70'Simage >>





    There is no disputing that these are common but it should be kept
    in perspective. There probably aren't more than about three million
    of the '71-D surviving in true unc. This is the most common of the
    non-bicentennial halfs but it's a mere pittance compared to the num-
    ber of cents and nickels from '62-'65. It's probably not a lot more
    than double the number of '50-D nickels that survive in unc.

    There are another couple hundred million surviving in circulation with
    many of the non-uncs in high grade AU/ slider condition. The vast ma-
    jority of these are VF+ to AU-.

    While nice choice examples of the '71-D are easily acquired (even in
    circulation), this hardly applies to all the halfs of that era. The '71-P,
    for instance, is much tougher in unc and and tougher yet in choice
    condition. Gems are rather elusive.

    A lot of the later dates are tough in unc period. Choice and gem ex-
    amples can be tough.
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  • Jsayre
    Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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    Teddy do you have what it takes?image(just kidding). Actually I think that is a great Idea if you are willing to look at them let me know and I will gladly PM you!
  • lasvegasteddy
    lasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
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    lol...not me...i use my own advice though

    wunna pick a winner to hook up with...make a thread asking whose making all those desired grades in a series (whichever one)

    then you got your member in a snare just be sure to feed um ( not after midnight thou)...i do and they even send my coins backimage

    but it can be a feast of fees saved so dig in and welcome to a kick arse place with awesome members keeping it so

    pick on bushmaster...he's got frank as an iconimage

    btw...i love ya'll
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  • Jsayre
    Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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    Great advice, thank you.
  • Bayard1908
    Bayard1908 Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>guys, in the past 5 years i have searched more tham 1 million dollars worth of halves. The amount of unc 1971 and 1972 coins i find is incredible. I dont think its worth it for you to slab, heck ive even found more than 100 1987's in rolls. >>



    That's $4000 per week, each and every week for five years. Your bank must love you.
  • DHeath
    DHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
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    Wanna find a toughie, try the 71-P. It took me over a year to holder one.
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    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • LindeDad
    LindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    These might help getting a fell of your coins.
    1971-P PCGS MS66 Pop in 66 is 81 with 6 higher.
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    1971-D PCGS MS67 Pop is 185 with 2 higher.
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    My Current project....https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/160794
  • cladking
    cladking Posts: 30,314 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Lindedad;

    Very nice coins. I'd guess the Philly is mint set coin and the Denver a roll coin.

    Neither are easily improved though the Philly is seen a little cleaner sometimes.
    tempus fugit extra philosophiam.
  • Jsayre
    Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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    I am seriously convinced these will atleast go MS-66 seeing those last pictures. Should I create a seperate thread asking if anyone is interested in pre screening them or should I just ask in this one? If someone is please let me know!
  • TwoSides2aCoin
    TwoSides2aCoin Posts: 45,223 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    << <i>I am seriously convinced these will atleast go MS-66 seeing those last pictures. Should I create a seperate thread asking if anyone is interested in pre screening them or should I just ask in this one? If someone is please let me know! >>


    My advice is to purchase an MS 66 graded by both NGC and PCGS of the years in question. This way you can determine if your coins are worth submitting. It may be a lot less expensive (tuition, if you will) lesson to do it like that.
  • Jsayre
    Jsayre Posts: 227 ✭✭
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    Here is a quick picture of one of them this one has a couple minor ticks on the reverse. I know these photos are near useless to grade from but thought it may help.

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  • lasvegasteddy
    lasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
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    check your pm as if no one steps up "russ or madmarty" are great guys who watch our backs and have experience all look up to in this series

    sorry for those not referenced too but this list could be long and i see some of the ya pros have chimed in and are great guys as marty n russ
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  • bushmaster8
    bushmaster8 Posts: 5,616 ✭
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    PCGS is very tight on clads right now.

    I have had Kennedys I thought were 67, shot 68 get MS66ed lately.
    Ikes been very tough too.
    "Wars are really ugly! They're dirty
    and they're cold.
    I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
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  • TAClough
    TAClough Posts: 1,598 ✭
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    Save your money, stay away from the Kennedy half dollars, they are ugly image

    Go for the Jefferson nickels instead image
  • LindeDad
    LindeDad Posts: 18,766 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Clad King I do not know the history on my coins I got them allready slabed.
    As for Russ and Marty they do the proofs. The two guys above and DHeath are more into the mint state coins.
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    My Current project....https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/mysetregistry/album/160794
  • Twincam
    Twincam Posts: 814 ✭✭
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    Here's an MS66...
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    Dave
    COMPLETE KENNEDY VARIETY SET, CIRCULATION STRIKES AND PROOFS
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  • segoja
    segoja Posts: 6,141 ✭✭✭✭
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    Trust your instincts.

    If you think they are nice, send em in.
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    Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986

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