1893 S Morgan Dollar Mintage reduced

Coin Finder · November 27, 2008 5:53AM

In the 2009 Red Book it lists the mintage at 77,000 instead of 100,000. Does anyone here have any information on this change?

Bayard1908 · November 27, 2008 5:55AM

I don't have a 2009 Redbook; however, I have noticed careless errors on mintages in past editions that a good editor should have spotted. These errors were usually something like dropping a digit from the mintage though.

Walmann · November 27, 2008 6:06AM

Could be a reflection of MadMarty attempting to create a hoard of these coins.

Not finding any other sources showing the 77,000, would think if this is correct it would have been a prompt news story if it turned out 100,000 was authorized but only 77,000 actually produced or some record of 23,000 being sweeped up by the Pittman Act?

garsmith · November 27, 2008 6:48AM

Have you tried contacting Whitman, St Martin's Press orK. Bressett to see where the update in information came from?

pcgs69 · November 27, 2008 6:50AM

There was a thread on this a couple of weeks ago... I'll see if I can find it.

Walmann · November 27, 2008 9:50AM

Here is the link pcgs69 refers to, Whitman did not make an error, it was purposeful, but now they are saying that perhaps 100,000 is correct afterall:

93-S mintage thread

RWB · November 27, 2008 11:07AM

Whitman’s earlier response: “…The mintage was changed based on data unearthed by numismatic researchers Richard Kelly and Nancy Oliver. Information that has come to light since then, however, suggests that 100,000 is actually correct. Roger W. Burdette, Kenneth Bressett, Q. David Bowers, and others on the Red Book editorial staff are weighing all the evidence at this time,” Seems reasonable.

I believe it was a fairly simple, unintentional error and fully expect the 100,000 quantity to return with the next edition. Research errors similar to this occur occasionally but are commonly buried in the middle of some less popular series, where they are not as readily noticed.

Added - Regarding multiple published mintage figures. Coin production quantities take a year or two to filter through various hobby publications, assuming all the editors agree on the change.

COALPORTER · November 27, 2008 11:12AM

Didn't someone also publish that there are now two dies used for the 93-S, when one die has been excepted forever ?

RWB · November 27, 2008 11:38AM

John Dannreuther discovered a 2nd reverse die about a decade ago. It is illustrated on the VAMWorld site, but has received very little publicity - likely because the coin is so scarce, and collectors usually authenticate it by the obverse.

Halfhunter06 · November 27, 2008 11:47AM

This was a question that I had the opportunity to ask Ken Bressett at the ANA this year. (He edits the Redbook) He told me that researchers foudn that the actual mintage was 77,000 from offical records and so he changed the number accordingly.

RWB · November 27, 2008 11:54AM

Halfhunter06's comment is correct. However, after the ANA convention it was determined that the research leading to the change was incomplete and unsubstantiated. It's unfortunate, but this happens occasionally - just not so quickly.

doh · November 28, 2008 12:45AM

It's one of the easiest Morgans to find at shows and online...it's also one of the most over priced IMHO.

CertifiedGoldCoins · November 28, 2008 3:19AM

<< <i>It's one of the easiest Morgans to find at shows and online...it's also one of the most over priced IMHO. >>

Morgan Dollars are very popular, and thus all are "overpriced," when compared to earlier types. That's why I collect the earlier types, not Morgans.

coinkat · November 28, 2008 3:33AM

It's one of the easiest Morgans to find at shows and online...it's also one of the most over priced IMHO.

While this coin in various grades is a likely suspect to appear at decent show, original examples are still not as common as one might think. Is it overpriced? Well, I think that is a good and fair question... my answer will be short and to the point... if you want an unoriginal coin, it is common. If you want a nice original example, it truley is the cointhat dreams are made of and likely worth a negotiated price.

RWB · November 28, 2008 7:20AM

I found one in a group of 5 silver dollars bought at a bank just as they were running out of dollars. It was so long ago that the Red Book value was $150 in EF – mine is just an honest Good.

Couple of quick scans added just for grins.

Coin Finder · November 28, 2008 8:35AM

pcgs good 06 ........

1893 S Morgan Dollar Mintage reduced

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